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Saviour :
Please, you do know how weak MNK can be at lvl 60, DRG/SAM is eating MNKs alive at lvl 60.


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Nothing to back up your statement, yeah, I can say anything I want too then.

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Man i my not be lvl 60 but i kicked ass in a lvl 30 cap on as rng and mnk its all about skill. Elites have you even played with rng after the patch i just started last year in the fall. Now there is a way to deal good dmg and acc if you now where to shot from as a rng. Saviour gammer does that matter in this game as long as people know what you are talking about i dont even use good gammer and i am 14 so i really dont count but still i know what dont put in my post and as long as you can read it i say its good and i can read every thing you said so just dont listen to Elites.
O and Elites.......... really got check out the rng forums you will learn a lot more every time you go there. LMAO sorry just had to do that. AGAIN its all about skill. Saviour can you send me a private message about how you would take out a rdm at lvl 30 cause i cant.
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Saviour gammer does that matter in this game


Prime example, good luck finding a job. Using good grammar isn't about laziness in execution; it's about laziness in learning how to actually fucking write.

as long as people know what you are talking about i dont even use good gammer and i am 14 so i really dont count but still i know what dont put in my post and as long as you can read it i say its good and i can read every thing you said so just dont listen to Elites.


I'm 16. Nice to meet you.

In all reality, taking the few months to learn how to not look like a dumbshit when it comes to writing will save the time of those, oh, I don't know... hundred-thousand people who will read what you write from this point forward until you die. It takes more time than you think to sort out a wall of text. So writing properly will probably save your readers more than ten times the amount of time it took you to actually learn.
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#124

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Saviour :
Please, you do know how weak MNK can be at lvl 60, DRG/SAM is eating MNKs alive at lvl 60.


Saviour :
Nothing to back up your statement, yeah, I can say anything I want too then.



Someone has posted few videos about lvl 60 DRG vs MNK, perhaps you should click on those links before you are trying to quote something of my statements. I wont have to chanage anything. lvl 60 DRG/SAM > lvl 60 MNK/WAR or MNK/NIN, hard, cold, and it is a reality.

Thanks for acting like a moran about my grammar, whoever said anything that I am a yahoo-jukie that borned at North America? Too much assumptions. I have learned English from simple A, B, and C within 4 years, can you do that? Let me see, I can read, write, and speaks at least about 5 different languages, can Elites the Amateur do that? Indeed, I ddint pay too much attention to grammar, as I am not wirting a formal essay, then again, attacking someone's weakness just because you are lacking of strong points to support your argument is [american slain] "pure lameness." Elites the Amateur is acting like those fat and nasty politicians, attack opponent at all costs just because himself is about to lose his ground in a debate.

I have been playing RNG on Ballista as it has been released by S/E. Temporary take a rest from RNG before S/E's range attack adjustment patch only because of one reason: RNG is too powerful at ballista, it is only really good RDM can tie with RNG before range attack adjustment. My knowledge about jobs on Ballista certainly is better than Elites the Amateur, it is only the only sole reason that allows to playing him and makes him looks like a nature-born fool.

Dont breach me about how powerful Asuran Fist is. I do admit Asuran Fist is most powerful weapon skill in this game, but that does not makes MNK all mighty at all. I have went to no cap as lvl 65 RNG and I have no problem killing lvl 75 targets, that is how powerful RNG was before range attack adjustment patch. I have fought many great players from different jobs, even inculding Avesta, the best JP RDM when he was still on Asuran server. I was so regret that he moves to new server before my RNG reached lvl 75 that I lost my chance to fight him as lvl75 RNG vs lvl 75 RDM. Figh him as lvl 65 RNG is almost likes suicidal, only managed killed him once before he left server.

Elites the Amateur has being acting likes a moran and breaching about how powerful MNK is, but yet, he cant even explain why he thinks MNK is most powerful job on ballsita and keep bring up that "general impression" that MNK > all other jobs, yeah, amateur Ballista players always thinking like that. In reality, most MNKs usually end up primary attack target or TP storing target on Ballista. Can you even imagine that how boring and stupid to see 2 MNKs 1 v 1? There is no strategy, whoever has most merit and better equipment wins.

My conclusion of this is Elites the Amateur is ineed an amateur, an idiot, and a sore loser. He is probably type of people that giving up on RNG on ballista right after range adjustment patch. He may be playing RNG on Kirin, but he is difinitely lacking of knowledge about RNG. His ls mates, probably only want him on Kirin fight because he has a RNG job to 75, otherwise, a bench player.

I am start playing RNG again after range attack adjustment again because I felt RNG is no longer over-powered and actually more enjoyable to play as on ballista. There are 3 players on my server will always show up as RNG on ballista: 2 JPs and me, yet, as we are showing good performance and I start to see RNGs coming back to ballista, with real skilled players.

p.s. I am still laughing at Elites the Amateur
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#125
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Last amateur MNK that used counterstance vs RNG die mersably from a 2137 dmg slugshot and everyone in Ballista was laughing at his stupidity. Counterstance only good pre-lvl50 cap ballista where there is no fansy multi-folds WS. You are over-estiate counterstance and good luck trying to counterstance fastspeed multi hits attack like KC, lmao. You are saying that you actually can counterstance hundred fists, ROFLMAO.

Stop making stupid and vague comment please. MNK dont really use counterstance after lvl 60 cap because multi hit ws will eat MNK alive.

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You sir are an Idiot. If any job thought of using a Kraken against me... they would die within the first 4 or so attack rounds, why? Relic Boots, CC's Avenger Earrings, not to forget counter merits.

If a RNG decided to do what you do and go for shadow stripping and TP build like that guess what? /rdm.. you lose, diaga for shadows, dispel for barrage and silence, para, dia and slow.

Oh and you know how you can out TP a sam? guess what. THEY CAN USE A KRAKEN TOO (zomfgnowayz)
You cannot kill a MNK/RDM in your build no matter what, unless you start with TP, which in that case the monk can too and 1shot you

Please go level monk and see how crazy counterstance is.


P.S. You can counter HF i have done many times. Granted a ranger is nothing to scoff at in ballista, unless you use an xbow your no threat to a reasonablly smart monk1v1
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#126

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Last amateur MNK that used counterstance vs RNG die mersably from a 2137 dmg slugshot and everyone in Ballista was laughing at his stupidity. Counterstance only good pre-lvl50 cap ballista where there is no fansy multi-folds WS. You are over-estiate counterstance and good luck trying to counterstance fastspeed multi hits attack like KC, lmao. You are saying that you actually can counterstance hundred fists, ROFLMAO.

Stop making stupid and vague comment please. MNK dont really use counterstance after lvl 60 cap because multi hit ws will eat MNK alive.

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You sir are an Idiot. If any job thought of using a Kraken against me... they would die within the first 4 or so attack rounds, why? Relic Boots, CC's Avenger Earrings, not to forget counter merits.

If a RNG decided to do what you do and go for shadow stripping and TP build like that guess what? /rdm.. you lose, diaga for shadows, dispel for barrage and silence, para, dia and slow.

Oh and you know how you can out TP a sam? guess what. THEY CAN USE A KRAKEN TOO (zomfgnowayz)
You cannot kill a MNK/RDM in your build no matter what, unless you start with TP, which in that case the monk can too and 1shot you

Please go level monk and see how crazy counterstance is.




P.S. You can counter HF i have done many times. Granted a ranger is nothing to scoff at in ballista, unless you use an xbow your no threat to a reasonablly smart monk1v1
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Thanks, I do have a lvl 75 MNK, dont judge me from my profile, that was like long time ago. How long? emm... probably for 1 year or so.

I never said anything about fighting straight up a MNK with KC, that is assumption made by Elites the Amateur. How did I killed a MNK in 1 v 1? I mentioned KC only because that amateur keep saying about storing TP with Hellfire to show how amateur he is as a RNG.
MNK/WAR vs full JA ready RNG can just sit there and die. KC only useful when target is MNK/NIN. You use KC to take off MNK/NIN 's 2 casts of shadows then move away from MNK/NIN, the purpose is to sustain MNK/NIN vulnerable to Barrage. No matter how many % haste that you have, you cant follow up KC's speed. KC's damage is so weak and it is hardly going to cancel shadowbind effect.

Thanks for making silly post and making me laugh again.

SAM using KC? Oh, you are so dumb that is almost hopeless. MNK/RDM? Jeeze, ever heard of shadowbind?
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#127
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lol reading this jsut makes me laugh and hate uncap. people rely too much on KC. just imagine wut u would be doing if u do not have a kc....

and Saviour...ur argument is quite lame...b/c...ur entire strategy is base on ONCE every 5 MIN. so if ur barrage/sb not up..wut do u do? run and hide behind teammates? most likely.

i like 60cap is the most fun of all ballista....most balanced. none of that let me beat on u with my kraken, run away, come back and smack u again then ws, boring lame crap.

just a note....maybe just me, for some reason, the damage difference between a blm in 60cap and uncap is amazingly big while for melees the damage output isnt that noticably different.
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#128

kang :
lol reading this jsut makes me laugh and hate uncap. people rely too much on KC. just imagine wut u would be doing if u do not have a kc....

and Saviour...ur argument is quite lame...b/c...ur entire strategy is base on ONCE every 5 MIN. so if ur barrage/sb not up..wut do u do? run and hide behind teammates? most likely.

i like 60cap is the most fun of all ballista....most balanced. none of that let me beat on u with my kraken, run away, come back and smack u again then ws, boring lame crap.

just a note....maybe just me, for some reason, the damage difference between a blm in 60cap and uncap is amazingly big while for melees the damage output isnt that noticably different.


Another poster dont read other people's post carefully. I specifically said, I played RNG at lvl 40, 60, and no cap. How you going to rely on KC at those 2 lvl cap.

By the way, I prefers Mercrucial Kris over KC personally. KC, after all is a WHM weapon. RNG can use it better than other jobs only because of job trait.
I dont know what lvl RNG you are, but I can tell that you dont have a lot fighting experience as RNG at no cap. RNG with KC dont even need to hit/run at no cap, except vs RDM and MNK. You have 2 casts of utusemi and can just fight likes WAR/NIN (I thinks I have specifically mentioned this). You can fight most of DDs straight on without any problem, you can do that before range addjustment patch, you still can do it after patch, too, IF you are smart enough.

Calling me rely on KC at no cap is plain stupid too. You are making assumption that I will be only one with KC. The DRK/NIN with KC is probably the most dangerous job on Ballista, except, they are vulnerable to NINs and THFs. How do I know that? Maybe it is because I have fought one on Ballista?

If I have KC, why do I need rely on 5 mins JAs? I specifically stated, MNK vs RNG, RNG required full JAs ready to win. Thank you. Do you need magnify glass? If you are trying to criticize me, at least, do a good job on reading what I have said first before jump into topic?
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Rofl, first it was KRAKEN. Now it's mercurial kris, obviously the intelligent people here are putting up a good arguement for your reasoning. The only word you and your buddies seem to know are "Amateur."

Regarding your statement on utsusemi tanking vs a straight up melee, instead of saying "IF" you are smart enough how about mentioning what the fuck you do when a War rips off your shadows within 20 second range. You will run, so shut the fuck up.

Okay to end your little 1 on 1 scheme with Mnk vs Rng at UNCAPS ( Comprehend this shit clearly ), Rng/nin vs Mnk/whm > you lose. The amount of MP a monk can get at 75 with whm sub can nearly cast 3-4 Cure III's. I'm mentioning whm sub just to shut you up but obviously monk doesent need it to win, /drg and /sam will be the same result. You can time third eye for barrage especially if your using a hellfire. The monk only needs to hit 3 rounds to let go asuran fists.

And you must be a shitty monk to not know how powerful Counterstance is vs multi-hit weapons/abilities. A clear example is countering kraken / hundred fist. LISTEN IDIOT, nobody said to COUNTER MULTI HIT WS's.

And no, I only goto rng at kirin because NIN's are mostly kiting it. Otherwise i go as PLD to other hnm camping. Why are you getting off topic and trying to assume about what i do ingame now? lmao. Kiss my koenig ass bitch.
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*Yawns* Rangers can beat monks in uncapped.. monks can beat rangers in uncapped.. playing this stupid "If if if if" game is retarded, take it to PM's if you must.. leave boss's topic alone lol. At least Saviour is sticking to generalities (for the most part.) You however Elites are coming across as someone who thinks monk is unbeatable or something.. it's not, ask good monks. Especially in Nation matches.. instead of stupid ego-inflating duels. Kraken clubs, black belts, you all die the same to a well-played team. Same with your elitist garbage about all those jobs that "can't beat monk".. save it for someone who cares.

Synopsis: Take this "debate" to another thread or (I hope I hope) to PM's.
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rofl..i think u should be the one READING OTHERS POST CAREFULLY..... did i say u use kraken? i say the entire topic about uncap....i mentioned u on the 2nd line. now..if u insist on talking about kraken..sure....b/c u did mention about it. then ur the same as all the people i said...reliance on KC. and do you know why people dunt bring ranger to uncap as muhc anymore? 1) not everyone has kraken 2) not everyone has mercucial kris. 3)not everyone has ridill

ur asumption on everyone posting here is amateur and ur the almight is just stupid. i play tons of ballista as rng/nin rng/sam and sam/rng in 60 and uncap. dunt tell me i dunno how to play rng style in ballista. however, u may get 1 thing right about me, i dunt play 1v1. ballista is a team game.....ur not there to fight once every 5min. if u do, then ur just one of those ppl, get gb...then runaways and hide, quarry for 5min.===>useless teammates.

every job has potential to kill other jobs with full job abilties available....thats plain common sense. but if u plan to rely on that only..... maybe u should consider other jobs can use utsusemi and their job abilities too. barrage can easily be blinked/third eyed b/c of the slow shot delay. o and yes...now u gonna say u use stun knives..blah blah blahyes...u use 5 different weapon ...in one battle blahblahblahba...w/e.
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People need to comprehend shit here clearly, i wasnt saying Monk is a god roflmao. I'm going against this moron's stragedy of his superior KC + mercurial bullshit beating a mnk SOLO, 1 on 1, RAMBO style. There is no team mentioned here so please stop going outside the box. All i hear from Savior's words are gibbrish, generalities my ass.
AMATEUR = generality ? lmao, that's like the new word being poked fun at from all i can see.

Kang has it on the point, the dude is obviously a GB leech if he relies on 5 minute barrages. That's a dumb fucking ranger, he assumes i don't go rng anymore to uncaps. What is he the spectator of all ballista matches cross servers now? He just mentions rediculous items over another to say IT WILL PWNZz, those items are not as strong as you think they may be. Kraken club is plainly fucking stupid for a ranger, its a shadow breaker and that's ALL IT IS so don't mention again about Blink fighting a melee with KC you tard.

Jammin, "Ask good monks". I'm sorry incase you didn't know, I know a handful of monks in my server and LS. I don't need to go around asking monks on forums for this type of simple shit neither. I'm only pointing out the obvious to this prick who fucks lord of onzo every night or something.
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Saviour sounds like a fucking retard.
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Jammin :
*Yawns* Rangers can beat monks in uncapped.. monks can beat rangers in uncapped.. playing this stupid "If if if if" game is retarded, take it to PM's if you must.. leave boss's topic alone lol. At least Saviour is sticking to generalities (for the most part.) You however Elites are coming across as someone who thinks monk is unbeatable or something.. it's not, ask good monks. Especially in Nation matches.. instead of stupid ego-inflating duels. Kraken clubs, black belts, you all die the same to a well-played team. Same with your elitist garbage about all those jobs that "can't beat monk".. save it for someone who cares.

Synopsis: Take this "debate" to another thread or (I hope I hope) to PM's.


I agree!

P.S. Jamm, remember that 60 cap few days ago? lol we pwned!
Our team was PLD/RDM/RDM/BST/MNK/WHM/THF, and we were up against RDM/PLD/WAR/DRK/MNK/WHM/BLM... It seems like the other team would win becase they have so many DD, but they didn't. Not to mention 5/7 players ion our team were tarus lol. Other team had 1 taru... thats why they lost.

Taru > you!
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Lol, yeah.. that was just fun. The warrior and monk got so mad because I was doing diaga > Bio2 the whole match to them.

As for that auto-attack monks beating rangers in one on one matches crap.. whatever. Will you win most? Sure, of course you will.. that job is great at swinging fast, hitting hard, building tp, and killing with asuran. To say you can't lose though? Uh huh. Any monk who says otherwise is lying to you or themselves. This isn't monk vs smn.. which I admit is a near-hopeless thing. Rangers can dish it out and have access to some gear that isn't fair in a one on one, no items allowed type duel. +12% movement speed combined with sleep bolts and a machine xbow for example.. can really put up a fight. Add in shadowbind, barrage, etc.. the monk could end up spending most of the match chasing the ranger, slept, or eating barrage/sleep bolts/slug shots. I know, I know.. that would take a very skillful ranger to pull off, and I'm sure you'll post another one of your "if if if" garbage retorts. I could really see this happening though since rangers having movement speed items is somewhat common.. while monks only have access to herald's gaiters.. which, let's face it.. are not, lol.

Fact: Rangers can beat monks in a one on one setting, if played properly and a little luck is thrown in.

Your issues with Saviour? I don't care.. take it to pm's or another thread.. sheesh.

*Edit* I'm convinced we won that match ryo because they were intimidated by the fearsome power of my 350 dmg sidewinders.. rdm/rng ftw!
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Movement speed items will not help unless your a RDM wearing crimson cuisses with gravity and bind. Rangers have to stop and shoot, since there are no sleep bolts for guns they have access to stun bullets only which has a delay inbetween each stun now. If you use x-bow and bow, you will take 2 punches before you can land the actual bolt/arrow itself. THF's can do this much better as they can evade hits on top of shadows while shooting, RNG's get ripped close combat. Just go test it for yourself...nobody even tries this sort of 1 on 1 shit anymore because it's obviously one sided and unbalanced. Your right about team effort, no matter what job tries to go solo an entire team will get raped.
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Well, you did say that counter attacks only turn the damage of KC back on someone. You then said if I didn't believe you to test it out. In fact, counter attacks are based off of the monk's damage. Why would you tell me to test something if I didn't believe you, when you haven't tested it yourself? Credibility is big. How am I supposed to believe that you aren't making the rest of this shit up? How can you be a lvl 75 monk and not know how counter attacks work?
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lol he's most likely bullshitting, either lied about having a 75 mnk or doesent know how to play it literally. You honestly cant get that far without knowing that counter stance damage is based on the monk's fist dmg and not the weapon being countered. Last thing i wanna do is argue with liars, peace out.
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Just because most rangers don't have the patience or skill to fight correctly using movement items doesn't mean it doesn't work.. I've seen it done.. the monk wastes swings on shadows.. the ranger plunks them with a sleep bolt (machine xbow is insanely fast) backs off, recasts shadows, rinse/repeat. Builds tp solely off sleep bolts and barrages. There are obviously ways to counter this strategy (mnk/nin for one) but most monks don't play as mnk/nin in one on one's either, at least not on my server lol. There are ways to stop everything.. which is the point. Monks can be taken down by darn near any job in a one on one.. it's just not easy due to how stupidly powerful the job is at just swinging and dealing damage.
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Sleep bolts are severely nerfed in ballista, the effect's chance of sticking greatly drops upon repeated use.
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