[Jammin]

Actually I use them all the time on thief.. and it's more like you build a short-term resistance.. but if you wait a little bit and then shoot the target.. bam, back to sleep. I know this works from the other direction too.. I've been shot with them over the course of an entire match as rdm.. no deaths clearing my resistances.. and they work just as well at the end as they do at the start of the match. You just simply can't spam them like the "bad old days" of rangers dominating ballista and getting kills from 10 miles away after you sprinted past them lol. I wasn't saying that ranger shot them non-stop at the monk like you used to be able to.. they shot once.. kited for a while, shot, kited, rinse repeat.. hence the patience comment. It takes quite a while, but the monk really seemed next to helpless.. he'd sprint, the ranger would sprint.. just a long dance punctuated by sleep bolts, barrages, slugs and shadowbinds. The monk got quite fruststrated.. landed only 3 hits past shadows if I recall correctly.

[ryolen]

Jammin :
Lol, yeah.. that was just fun. The warrior and monk got so mad because I was doing diaga > Bio2 the whole match to them.

As for that auto-attack monks beating rangers in one on one matches crap.. whatever. Will you win most? Sure, of course you will.. that job is great at swinging fast, hitting hard, building tp, and killing with asuran. To say you can't lose though? Uh huh. Any monk who says otherwise is lying to you or themselves. This isn't monk vs smn.. which I admit is a near-hopeless thing. Rangers can dish it out and have access to some gear that isn't fair in a one on one, no items allowed type duel. +12% movement speed combined with sleep bolts and a machine xbow for example.. can really put up a fight. Add in shadowbind, barrage, etc.. the monk could end up spending most of the match chasing the ranger, slept, or eating barrage/sleep bolts/slug shots. I know, I know.. that would take a very skillful ranger to pull off, and I'm sure you'll post another one of your "if if if" garbage retorts. I could really see this happening though since rangers having movement speed items is somewhat common.. while monks only have access to herald's gaiters.. which, let's face it.. are not, lol.

Fact: Rangers can beat monks in a one on one setting, if played properly and a little luck is thrown in.

Your issues with Saviour? I don't care.. take it to pm's or another thread.. sheesh.

*Edit* I'm convinced we won that match ryo because they were intimidated by the fearsome power of my 350 dmg sidewinders.. rdm/rng ftw!

Whoa!Jamm, I cant beieve you went there:(

Just so you all know, I can kill Monks as easy as 1,2,3 in ballista.. as long as they dont sub SAM, cuz then they Thirdeye my BP>.> Any job sub SAM or a DRG can destroy me as SMN. Or any job that can sleep my avatar.

Example, Jammin, ask Detrious and Alfonso If I didnt do 900+ with my Ramuh's Chaotic Strike. That Bloodpact Stuns the target for quite a while, i'm gonna say a good 6 or 7 seconds. Thats MORE than enough time to /sprint away. I can also use Titans Mountain Buster, which Binds target for even longer than the stun. Meanwhile my avatar is whacking them for 60+ DMG(merits pwn!)

I never do the nation ballistas as my SMN, cuz stupid pussies only run in and out for tp, and I hate having pets while everyones running away.. and they call us the panzies.
So I usually just do Dioprama, and no1 takes that shit seriously. I can roam around free and 1-shot many ppl lol, or come very close.

The part I dont like, is that if for some reason the MNK we're to get their hands on me, it's pretty much over for me before they can even Asuran Fist me lol. But saying thats it's imposible for a SMN to beat a MNK.. that s lie my friend. Any job can beat any job... if played right.

P.S. Your 350DMG sidewinders are not a toy... but watching you SlugShot that BLM as he was casting BlizzagaII on you was priceless lmfao.

P.S.S. I'm currently lvl 66 RDM ... this pimped out 75WAR (who will remain nameless cuz he's my friend lol) had a difficult time killing me.. in uncapped... lol. Then Detrious joins in, and he was hitting me for 8DMG TOPS! I ate DEF food, had protectIV and earth staff and phalanx up...they didnt resist my debuffs or nukes. If I was 75, or there wouldnt have been 2 on 1, I wouldve beaten his whiny ass in a heartbeat.

Anyways, see you in game buddy!

[Jammin]

*Laughs* No need to get defensive, I meant in the traditional one on one sense.. no prebuffs, no items, face across from each other and engage.. in that type of duel.. you have a 99% loss ratio as a smn.. since you need to manage to get that summon off with a monk beating on you. Just getting the avatar out is a struggle. It's not a fair fight at all. If he's a gentleman and lets you have your avatar out in advance, then you're in business. But in a traditional "nothing at the start, no tp, no items" duel.. I just don't see it without a whole lot of luck.

As for rdm/rng.. well lol, I just enjoy it because it's fun. I could do a lot more damage to the other team with a traditional sub, but I enjoy plinking at people.. and sometimes you do run into those sweet moments like with that black mage, lol. That makes it worth it to me to be a little less effective. Nation matches are all about teamwork anyway, and red mage is such a strong job that you can make almost any sub work as long as you don't neglect your prime duties (refreshing, blink-clearing, curing, scoring) in favor of your own preferences.

I'm big into Nation matches so I get a little irritated at those selfish rdm's in 50/60 cap matches who go /nin and just dive into all the melee and generally do nothing more than be a minor nuisance to the other team.. don't score.. and die needlessly (really.. no rdm should die except to an utter cheapshot or something similar, like souleater + rampage.) Fun is fun though and I try to just go with the flow, I know not everyone is as into it as I am, so it's those "cool" moments that I really play for.. like when that smack-talking ninja gets caught by diaga > silence > grav.. and I plink him down with my awesome 50 dmg per shot rdm/rng mightiness lol.

[Elites]

lol im sorry dude but smn is like erm.....not a job for 1 on 1. It takes nothing more than walking away a little to get your BP's out of range. Not to mention smn has the lowest defense out of all jobs under blm as well. Nicer job for team matches, can bring out bp's surprisingly and thats always a kick to see.

About the sleep bolt issue, its a good idea but its mainly the running around thats going on here. Instead of chasing the rng, mnk should be sprinting away. Easiest way to counter offense this, sprint away and boost 11 times to shoot chi blast. Sounds really funny and unncessary but that's what you gotta do when you can't catch up to people with movement +% eq. Since rangers have no way to cure themselves, chi does 600-700 accordingly. Won't last more than 6 minutes.

[ryolen]

Elites :
lol im sorry dude but smn is like erm.....not a job for 1 on 1. It takes nothing more than walking away a little to get your BP's out of range. Not to mention smn has the lowest defense out of all jobs under blm as well. Nicer job for team matches, can bring out bp's surprisingly and thats always a kick to see.

First of all, you do not need to be srry lol. I can tell by the way you're post was that the SMN on your server havent realy made much of an impact.

BP are only "side stepable" if you manage to time the BP correctly and "sprint, and even then, it has a good 60+% chance of landing.. the range is alot further than it used to be. From what I have noticed, only the lvl 65 and 70 BPs have had their range extended, not the others.

Let me point out, that if you are 1 on 1 vs a SMN, and you do not let them take out their avatar first, thats like you fighting without your weapon. Its just not right. I can understand if you dont let a WHM/BLM or RDM buff before the 1 on1, but a SMN getting his pet out isnt "buffing", its using his weapon. Anyone who refuses to let me take out my avatar is a 100% wuss and there for I will not 1 on 1 them. I simply /sprint away and let my team rape their ass.

Yea, SMN have lowest HP and possibly DEF too, I havent proven it yet, but its a possibilty. Thats why, in 1 on 1, I dont sit there like a duck getting hit. Like i mentioned in my previous post, 900+DMG with Stun or Bind effect is how I win. When your stunned or bound, you can't chase me, you can't hit me, you cant do shit! Ask a RNG, they know how good Shadowbind is lol.

I've killed many many ppl 1 on 1, including PLD,BLM,SMN,WAR,NIN,THF,MNK,RNG,DRK, and BST. I'm not saying I always win, but I have and can win. I have to admit tho, PLD/NIN/THF arent too easy, PLD with such high DEF and THF and NIN with high evasion calls for drastic measures. All other jobs are basically simple.

Let's say I'm fighting a taru DRK. He will most likely have about 1.2k HP. I engage him to interrupt his casting. I Chaotic Strike him for 900~, meanwhile he is stunned and ramuh is hitting him well over 65DMG a hit. I can walk away and victory is mine. (*Note: You cant stun Ramu'h since he is thunder element!)

You guys make it seem so fucking impossible for a SMN to whoop someones ass because everyone knowz that SMN is by far the worst job for ballista. So getting pwned by one is terrible. Jammin, On the next uncapped, I want you to WATCH me 1 on 1 some ppl.

I'm not saying i'm the best, but I AM saying that SMN aren't as useless 1 on 1 as you say we are. Theres another funny thing. I love when people go out of their way to be assholes....

EXAMPLE: I'm fighting a WAR, He stays still until I go to BP, then he sprints away ASAP since he was 100% focused on when I used the BP. When he sprinted away, I just sprinted the opposite way. Now he has Fenrir beating his ass for 70+ a hit and he is too far away from me to even see me lol. At this point he copes with the fact that his "plan" backfired .. I invis myself and go back. I see him building TP off Fenrir, I hit my macro button .. 898DMG to the panzie WAR.

That plan isn't how I always, win, since I get my BPs off the first time. I think DRG are damn near impossible for me to beat lol. Fucking Super Jump-.- I'm not so sure on the the recast timer, but either way, once we start, both his Jumps leave me so weak that the next 1 or 2 hits kill me. I can't kill jobs that can avoid my BP's other than by /sprinting away. Unless I do what I did to the WAR and just run away and let the avatar beat them down.

Man .. I need to stop-.- Srry lol, Its just that I hate when people put me down just because they've never seen a true SMN in ballista.... :|

P.S. Keep in mind that I in no way ever said that SMN owns ballista. I just said that I'm not one of those panzie SMN that don't know how to be effective in 1 on 1s.

[Drolar]

What if I, as a Drk, bind Ramuh or sleep him? I just can't see how a Smn can beat a Drk with a brain, then again I don't really know Smn that well either. You would have had me the first time with Ramuh, because I wouldn't even think of him resisting stun even though it makes perfect sense. I'll keep that in mind

[Elites]

lol yeah i remember fighting a smn 1 on 1 as pld/nin long ago. He had heralds gaiters and kept running far basically, so i was soloing his avatars for tp ;x and just WS'ed him with /sprint. Eventually he just lost lol, i barely took dmg from the bp's like 300 tops.

[Jammin]

The "counter with chi" concept is valid.. if you can get near the ranger with a well-enough boosted chi.. without yourself getting slept etc.. that ranger has sprint too, it'd be tough. Regardless the whole point was that rng/nin can beat monk in one on one. There's just no basis for making blatant remarks like "X job can't beat X job." Are some of the matches harder than others? Sure. Impossible? Nope. That is the only real complaint I had with your posts Elites, outside of the fact that you turned a guide into a flame war.

The reason I said summoner would lose ryo was stated above.. and you can consider your avatar a weapon all you want.. I could consider stoneskin/phalanx my armor as a red mage by the exact same logic. In a real, fair, no items, no tp, no pre-buffing (casting any spells on yourself, such as an avatar) duel.. summoner is just at a huge disadvantage. If you play by other rules, that's fine, those are the ones myself and my friends play by. I think I'll vacate this thread for a more appropriate one so I can stop derailing it, sorry lol.

[Boss Rockius]

No one cares anymore dude.

[Elites]

rofl, think he was busy in real life trying to attend grammar school bro.

[Thorny]

lol

[Kauna]

Wow. You guys have been arguing about that for two months. I'm impressed.

[Boss Rockius]

In this update, I added some stuff to it and changed some words around. Nothing too major. I intended to rehaul the entire guide, but there's really not much to change.

Those that sent me PMs complimenting me on the guide, thanks. I appreciate it.

Anyone have any suggestions as how to improve the guide? Post it in this topic and I'll see if I can impliment it. I don't play Ballista as often as I used to, but I still want this guide to be awesome.

[[Lakshmi]Aace]

*bump*.... kk dont need to, but still 150 days without posting here :O_o

[Boss Rockius]

I want to update this, but just haven't had the time lately. Wanna give this guide a complete rehaul. Mainly reword or completely remove the job specific strats. And make the item listing abit more specific.

..And stuff.

[Predatorx]

so wait? we can fight each other? instead of ocmputer and gobs and stufF?? and if oyu can how?!

im new to this soo i dont know anything =

please helppp mee!!!!

gahhhhhhhhh

[Aluvien]

Predatorx :
im new to this soo i dont know anything =

please helppp mee!!!!

gahhhhhhhhh

That's what the guide is there for.

[Shukakoo]

Usually due to the fact that a DRG usually subs a mage job

Please for the love of mankind change that before some little drg reads this and actually thinks it's a good idea and starts wailing in pain as every other melee proceeds to rip the little DRGling a new asshole.
And for my own sanity. Becuase as a DRG/SAM in Ballista I get tired of watching DRG/Mage's die time after time, almost as much as I get tired of seeing them show up in the first place.

[Elites]

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