[Aurok]

Great thread, learned some solid info from this.

[Slayerxox]

Very nice Gungnir info Seraphus. . . I might pick up a stone-splitter just for testing now lol.

[Orodreth]

Either way, 71 dmg totally sucks.

Was thinking for soloing mostly not exp party.

[Ryo]

Very interesting information on Gungnir~! =)
I didn't even knew relic weapons had hidden effects I tought they had only wonderfull status and the last WS >.>
Sorry if I sound noob but, how long will Shock Spikes last?

[ringthree]

GSDragoon :

Orodreth :

O.o can't believe I didn't know about this one. It seem like it's the polarm version of maneater, blau doe, ect. Nice post though. Add my name to the list of people that think it should get stickied.

Yeah i was impressed by that polearm too, gotta buy it as soon as possible though >_<. If many see this, the price might go higher >,,>

I too vote for this thread to be made a sticky.

Either way, 71 dmg totally sucks.

Its lower delay so the actually D/D Ratio is not much lower. Also consider the +24 attack that you get on all weaponskills, especially Penta thrusts. I rattled off a nice 1430+ Pentathrust last night with the Stone-splitter. This is definitely not a polearm that should be rejected out of hand. I do not believe that this is a straight exp lance, but in certain situations it can be devistating.

[Sageru]

Sticky FTW!

[jenseits]

All relic WS are realtivly weaker than expected and do the same dmg at 100% as 300%. TP affects duration of the WS effect, in Gungnir's case, extra duration of shock spikes. THe true perk from these relic ws is the fact that it doubles the last renkei's damage. From what I have heard, if a SAM and DRK made a light renkei for 700 dmg, DRG uses Geirskogul and makes ANOTHER light for 700x2 or 1400 dmg ....this can be proceeded by another relic WS for 2800 dmg..and so on and so forth

If thats true, and u could get 11 ppl together w/ a relic weapon to pull that off, the 11th person could hit up to 1443600 points of dmg w/ that. Now thats ofcourse impossible since by the 7th 1 he's neared 100k in dmg. BUT if that holds true this might be the way to be AV. Get a light goin and just keep followin it til he's overwhelmed. The reason why this could be true is that u would need that many ppl w/ relic weapons to do this which would b near impossible. But in 5 yrs (if this is still around) that might become a reality

[ringthree]

jenseits :

All relic WS are realtivly weaker than expected and do the same dmg at 100% as 300%. TP affects duration of the WS effect, in Gungnir's case, extra duration of shock spikes. THe true perk from these relic ws is the fact that it doubles the last renkei's damage. From what I have heard, if a SAM and DRK made a light renkei for 700 dmg, DRG uses Geirskogul and makes ANOTHER light for 700x2 or 1400 dmg ....this can be proceeded by another relic WS for 2800 dmg..and so on and so forth

If thats true, and u could get 11 ppl together w/ a relic weapon to pull that off, the 11th person could hit up to 1443600 points of dmg w/ that. Now thats ofcourse impossible since by the 7th 1 he's neared 100k in dmg. BUT if that holds true this might be the way to be AV. Get a light goin and just keep followin it til he's overwhelmed. The reason why this could be true is that u would need that many ppl w/ relic weapons to do this which would b near impossible. But in 5 yrs (if this is still around) that might become a reality

This is not true, I just saw some screen shots of someone finishing a level 3 skillchain with a relic weaponskill and it was good but equivelent damage to the original level 3 skillchain (700-1200ish)

[Jaybar]

Ok...I like the deal with the 40-60 dmg on shock spikes..however -- You guys are making it seem like you are granted Enthunder. Shock Spikes require you to get hit by the mob for the spikes to proc. Either you are misinterpereting the two terms or now it's kind of whack if you aren't a tank.

But I'll say this:

In before the sticky =P I'm such a loser ; ;

[Ryo]

On a party, the schock spikes effect don't sound that great yesh..
because, hmm.. you won't be tanking at all right? xD
But, depending on the situation would help I think ~
like, when you are soloing something ~ =)
But I don't know if you are going to solo much when you are lvl 75 O.o

[Khalea]

Putting a sticky on a thread is the most surefire way there is to make sure 99% of KI never reads it.

[Dragonhope]

Wow...if at least those first 3 things are true for Gungnir...it's a lot better then I had thought. 10% chance for 3x damage...if that procs on a weaponskill...wow...should definetely satisfy the BNS ^^

As for the Stone-splitter...i've wanted to try it to see what effects it'd have but always nice to know beforehand. Just wonder how much of an acc boost it'll give...

But don't sticky...keep bumping it:p

[Ryo]

Hmm... I'm interested in Gae Bolg T___T
u.u; lalala its ok to dream lalala ~~~

[.Sotek.]

Ryo :
Hmm... I'm interested in Gae Bolg T___T
u.u; lalala its ok to dream lalala ~~~

We should make that a ls event >.>
I could do with getting that too =D

[GSDragoon]

Orodreth :

Either way, 71 dmg totally sucks.

Was thinking for soloing mostly not exp party.

You need acc and attack for soloable mobs? Sure, you could use attack on harder solo mobs, but with jumps and WS dmg and double attacks you want a higher base dmg. Because delay isn't effected by them. So more dmg is better then. And since we jump pretty often, I don't think dmg/delay is that important. Which is why Gae Bolg is such an awesome weapon at lv68.

ringthree :

GSDragoon :

Orodreth :

O.o can't believe I didn't know about this one. It seem like it's the polarm version of maneater, blau doe, ect. Nice post though. Add my name to the list of people that think it should get stickied.

Yeah i was impressed by that polearm too, gotta buy it as soon as possible though >_<. If many see this, the price might go higher >,,>

I too vote for this thread to be made a sticky.

Either way, 71 dmg totally sucks.

Its lower delay so the actually D/D Ratio is not much lower. Also consider the +24 attack that you get on all weaponskills, especially Penta thrusts. I rattled off a nice 1430+ Pentathrust last night with the Stone-splitter. This is definitely not a polearm that should be rejected out of hand. I do not believe that this is a straight exp lance, but in certain situations it can be devistating.

1430 on what enemy with what gear and what kind of support? I was putting out 600-1300 penta's on birds in Lufed Meddows(sp?) last night with my O-Lance with a meele average of 114, no bard, and out damaging both rng's(one /nin and one /war) by 8-12%. Maybe if it had dmg in the 80's it would be nice, but 70 is waaay too low for my liking. Even the Dreizak's 87 dmg it too weak.

[Ryo]

.:Sotek:. :

Ryo :
Hmm... I'm interested in Gae Bolg T___T
u.u; lalala its ok to dream lalala ~~~

We should make that a ls event >.>
I could do with getting that too =D

Man!
Great idea Sotek great great~!!
Problem is, as you know, I'm not lvling DRG latelly =/
Been playing MNK until my static friends reach lvl 60 so I trade my mnk to my drg >___<
but but ~
one day yeah =)
Sotek gave me hope o/

[Furiousangels]

Sticky prz

[Canada]

Ya I was wondering what your setup and what you were fighting to nail a 1400+ Penta Thrust with Stone Splitter? It has definately got my interest though, going to pick one up asap.

Does anyone use a Martial Lance exclusively in XP parties where they aren't using Wheeling Thrust? I personally sold mine after not finding much use but, can anyone give me a comparison where they have actually found the Martial superior to the O.Lance?

[Dragonhope]

I have Gae Bolg and Colossal Lance waiting for me so far. And Orihalcum Lances are way too common so haven't bought one yet. Going to try and get a signed one made if I can instead. Martial Lance and Bourdanousse...got em. And Ice Lance +1s are pretty cheap too so..meh. Other then a couple of armor pieces, ready in gear until 74

[Orodreth]

You need acc and attack for soloable mobs? Sure, you could use attack on harder solo mobs, but with jumps and WS dmg and double attacks you want a higher base dmg. Because delay isn't effected by them. So more dmg is better then. And since we jump pretty often, I don't think dmg/delay is that important. Which is why Gae Bolg is such an awesome weapon at lv68.

No, actually Gae bolg is a bad polearm for solo, a low delay wep with a good dmg ratio is better for solo and farming than a high delay wep. You use WAR sub for solo??

Exp parties is another thing and for that i have and use Gae bolg. There's also the fact that stone splitter looks different than all the lances you use from 34-75 ~_~

PS: I am not arguing though, i'm with you on gae bolg being a better choice in exp parties. I just feel this polearm has it's uses and if indeed has accuracy then it could work on dynamis also maybe with sam sub and spam ws.