[Johno]

i find that call Actualy Helps

So other Provokers Know that Provoke has just been used and wont use there provoke when it could be used later so save a Mages Life.

[OzZnfruitloops]

Personally I think its great during late night parties. Calls help alot, and they are great ways to show unity in your party. Talk it over with your party. Your Macros should NEVER be set in stone. If your party is okay with it, great...if not...dont do it. Its not necessary, although appreciated imo.

[caelestis]

The call can be nice, but after 9hrs of lvling, irritating.

Even in 15min can it get old

Why? Wait until the day you're a WHM in the dunes, and you end up with a WAR/MNK tank who has a call after their voke, and after EVERY boost which is used without fail.

@_@

[zull]

I guess some kind of call to let the other tanks know that you are provoking so they won't waste theirs would be good, but I agree, after about 15 minutes of it, it would be annoying

I only have a call (call 20) happen when my provoke is ready, that way I know I have it if it's needed.

[NovaLogic]

That's why I love being a Paladin who can do his job, the aggro doesn't leave me and I'm almost always expected to be main tank anyway (with the obvious exception of when there is another Paladin in the group). So usually I'm the only one voking in the first place.

[zull]

I am normally the main tank, when being the backup tank it really does feel different. But it always feel good not being in the orange to yellow all of the time

But I agree with what Marath said, organization is better than any call. I have been in partys with pretty good organization, and one that was pretty much a free for all. That party didn't last long, I got tired of the chaos and the party disbanded

[El]

Yeah, I totally agree with Marath.

Parties who just hurry up and group and then run out to a zone are usually the ones yelling for Raise! Raise! Raise! at too quickly.

As party leader, I usually do three things:

1) Decide who's puller (if more than one tank)

2) Decide Pull ratio/Mp (when mages are at MP%, always ok to pull)

3) Figure out multiple SCs (Renkei Calculator website is KICK ASSSSS)

that five minutes or six minutes really helps to smooth out the next hour or two we plan on leveling.

[El]

Marath :
dont start slaggin about job class everyone can keep agg but if you have a trigger happy BLM or a WHM who has to use cure III for whatever reason then you gonna lose agg at somepoint.

LOL, yeah, "Trigger Happy" BLMs and WHMs have the tendency to kill all types of voke ability or hate-channeling. I'm surprised at how easliy some WHMs at lv 25+ still cast Cure III uneccessarily.

An LS friend who is high lv WHM has a rule for her PTs, she never casts Cure III or above unless someone is in the red...*shrug*

[Tristram]

A second thing.. I'm pretty sure past level 15, hell even 20 to cover all bases. People know that Provoke is a 30 second timer. It gets really, really old to read the "Provoke ready in 15 seconds" then "Provoke Ready!" macro's. I'm not saying don't have em, put em in Echo if you need to see when such stuff is ready. As a WHM I never cared when the warriors provoke was ready so long as they used it. As a BLM I had the ability to count, so that helped knowing when I could use a bit more nukes since the warrior would provoke. Just.. I hate battle spam. I can read it fine and wonderful, its just not necessary.

[starfire]

Can you give an example of the 'echo'? I'm not familiar with it. Thank you.

[Tristram]

Well heres my normal provoke Macro:
"/p Provoking "
/wait 15
/echo Provoke in: 15 seconds
/wait 15
/echo Provoke Ready

What echo does is bounce it back into your chat log in bright ass yellow, only you can see it. So its great to keep timers to yourself if you find you can't keep count on some of the longer things.

It's pretty much a timed reminder. And then no one else has to see the stuff.

[starfire]

Ah. Thank you.

/em grabs a great gob of grattitude and sends him to Tristram

[El]

Yeah, I agree with that. (thanks for showing me a good Echo Mac too!!! )

I just recently learned about Echo ...but before that, even when I was lv 15 Warrior, it never crossed my mind to tell others in PT that my voke was ready. It just never has made sense to me that I should tell others, it's MY job to cover the mages' casting...

It's kinda like a WHM using an in-party tell to "Cure So-and-So" ...I don't need to KNOW you're curing me cuz half the time, I can't even read the spam that's flying past my screen.

My voke mac is simply this: "Come to me, You piece of Shyte!" , there's no whistle or any type of repeated sounds, etc. - I wouldn't even have that, but ppl have accused me of NOT voking when I don't have a tell for it. *Shrug* can't please everyone all the time, I guess.

[Tristram]

Bah let people accuse you left and right, just do your job to the best of your ability. I'm a firm believer of the 'you dig your own hole' concept.

For Instance; Taru Black Mages have some of the best mana in the game, hands down. Great Black Mages. Early on they also have the capacity to draw INSANE amounts of hate from over nuking that a warrior can't pull off. Provoke doesn't always work kiddies. You've dug your own grave.

Second Instance: (This ones from experience too. I saved the WHM with my 2hr when I was goofing on Ninja. Lucky little bastard) White Mage uses Divine Seal + Curaga MID-battle. Thats almost as much hate as Benediction. Warriors couldn't pull the hate from him with three different provokes. I just 2hr'd and blew the gob up. Dug his own grave. Just lucky I can die without losing XP >< Left the party soon after.

Any job can dig its own grave. Some without meaning too, such as DRK in Valkurm. Normally warriors can't hold hate off my DRK in Valkurm, and its not their fault. I won't even touch Last Resort unless a Paladin's in a PT. But I don't blame them, wouldn't dare. I'm just that L337 (Yeah.. right. DRK just draws hate early on that a warrior can't handle, its how it goes.)

Most people who whine and complain do it for one of two reason.
1) Its' warranted. This happens every now and again, but overall its pretty rare that the amount of whining people do is warranted.

2) They don't know how to play their job correctly, be it cookie cutter or unique and they expect other people to cover for their mistakes.

Homey don't play that. Sometimes you just let em die.