[Bewolfe]

Hey guys

maybe I'm totally off my rocker and reading this way wrong, but I'm talking about the *Monster behavior has been

altered in the following ways to counter MPK issues, with the nifty pictures of Mr. A and Mr B, now from wat I was

reading and how I interpreted it, 1) if someone is PLing you and they take hate off you, well its gonna the PL's

mob. . . your getting 0 exp for that thing. Another thing that came to mind was when There were 2 Linkshells @

fafnir, one was fighting it, and another Linkshell's Paladin ( did a Cure 4 on the linkshell's paladin (A) who

was tanking, then the Paladin ( proceeded to Invincible and Kite the fafnir just to piss off the other

linkshell. Now with this in place would this now mean that Paladin ('s linkshell would have claim and would

kill it? hence stealing a NM? If I'm wrong, tell me wat u think cuz I sure as heck hope I'm wrong!

[Marcus]

I have no

clue, but man, that would change the dynamics of the entire game. I really hope they dont do that....

[(Crisoulla)]

That

was my interpritation of what I read too.



http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update/ff11u...Ph1/detail.html
(Top half of the page).

[Drakeblade]

If you

read more closely, you will see that rule only applies if the mob was hit by an AoE spell or something and is

unclaimed. It will not effect claimed mobs

[Ryly]

From what

I've read is that they will only get claim if they CLAIM it with enough hate. If you spam cure 4 on the PLD

isn't going to give you claim unless you spam cure 4, then voke the mob if it goes yellow. PLers won't take

claim unless they try to hit the mob while its yellow.

Basically its exactly the same as before except you

need a lot more hate to claim off someone else, and also it won't MPK the other PT (if someone steals KB off you

it'll stop attacking you because you cannot attack it).

[Deftscythe]

As I

read it, yes, you're wrong.

We all know that at a certain point(not sure what triggers this) an NM's name

will change to yellow even though it's still actively being fought. For highly contested mobs, members of

alliance outside the one that claimed with spam fast abilities and spells such as stun, dia, voke, etc.

Previously, this would cause the mob to be claimed by the outside member, but enmity would remain on the original

alliance/pt. What this means is one alliance gets to attack a mob while it's being tanked for them by someone in

the other alliance, while the people in the first alliance are dealing with a mob that they cannot defend

themselves against.

What will happen now is, you can't spam a fast low enmity move to claim a mob someone

else is fighting. The mobs claim will change only if the ability or spell used to claim it results in more enmity

than whoever the mob is currently fighting has.

At least, that's how I read it. I don't do a lot of NM

fighting, so I could be wrong.

[Garreth]

I think

what SE meant was sorta like what happened to a BST a while ago (sry, dont remember who, I only read it in

passing, lol). If say the mob/NM you are fighting goes unclaimed for a minute but you have a mass amount of hate

built up, someone can't simply do a voke/flash/stun etc. onto it and claim your mob/NM while it continues to run

after you and pound you into the ground.

They have to actually have the attention of the mob/NM to get

the claim on it, and I'm pretty sure it only works on unclaimed mobs. Thats my take on it anyways, maybe I'm

wrong, time will tell

[Ryly]

Basically

the update is very good. It is very hard to steal a mob off someone else now unless you can get mass hate (spam

cure 4s), but as always /blockaid is your friend. If someone does manage to steal a mob it won't MPK the other PT

because it'll cease to attack them.

[Sho]

So... what

may really happen is PLing will get collateral damage.

lol oh well XD

[Hitty]

Somehow

I'm sure Bst will only be screwed further by this lol

[Mewten]

If you

don't want your mob stolen, Blockaid.

However, this could present problems for an aditional cure party

outside the main alliance in areas with lots of tension.


Don't you just love how SE fixes one thing,

but causes another problem?

I'll bet that all gilsellers will put blockaid on after people buy masses of

Enmity+ gear to steal the claim of NMs >:3

[Rfsancho]

Dethscythe and Garreth described it perfectly
Here is what they mean as an

example

Scenerio:

Party A paladin vokes+flashes+defender+cures himself+rampart+warcry when he

fighting mob
He disengages
Party B tries to grab that mob with all kinds of stuff, but has failed to

generate more hate per spell/ability than the paladin in Party A has generated overall
So mob remains

untouched, unclaimed, and still agro on Party A paladin


What I still wonder is if damage dealing

spells/abilities will have effect on the unclaimed monster...[Hmmm]

[Doramaemon]

/joy

Finally I won't get a lv58 RDM inviting me, a DRK30, telling me that he is starting a PL party for

his friend, who decided to stay a n00b til 75. I can see how this would hurt the PLing at around 5-15 for friends,

but if you can't solo that much on your own, you better quit...

So, the correct understanding of this

is:-

If a NM goes yellow due to lag or whatever reason, the party around cannot take your hate with a

simple provoke, instead they would just be doing a debuff for you(say, if they used stun or some fast

magic).

Am I correct?


Question: I have read a PLD managed to take hate off an alliance fighting

Fafnir on some server, he cured 1 of their member, then stood infront of the dragon, spamming c4 everytime he got

breathed on. Eventually, he got enough hate, that when he moved, the dragon followed him(I am not sure if he done

it on purpose, or plain stupidity). At the end, the alliance had to have their PLD using 2h to regain hate.



Now in this situation, will said alliance lost their claim over the NM to this PLD's alliance? If this is

true, we can expect some major drama coming?

[Ryly]

I was

thinking about tjhat damage dealing spells/abilties thing.

If say 2 PLD in a PT can lose claim (disengage)

and keep hate by using cure 4s and buff JA's like warcry you could have 50 people attacking the mob and as long

as none of them pull hate itll stay unclaimed. 100 man alliance. It'll be exactly like the mob is CFH except that

it'll drop items and give experience.

Question: I have read a PLD managed to take hate off an

alliance fighting Fafnir on some server, he cured 1 of their member, then stood infront of the dragon, spamming c4

everytime he got breathed on. Eventually, he got enough hate, that when he moved, the dragon followed him(I am not

sure if he done it on purpose, or plain stupidity). At the end, the alliance had to have their PLD using 2h to

regain hate.

Now in this situation, will said alliance lost their claim over the NM to this PLD's

alliance? If this is true, we can expect some major drama coming?

In this situtation the stealing

PLD could spam cure 4 all he liked but would NOT get claim or hate unless the mob went yellow and he voked it. A

mob will not attack someone that doesn't have the claim, so it'll stay on the alliance and they'll have hate as

long as they don't let the stealer claim it from yellow.

[Barachiel]

That would be correct. The mob remains yellow until sufficient hate is generated to switch aggro to

the person trying to take it. During which time the party with aggro can reclaim it. <3 SE NM stealing

goodbye.

Ryly, the only problem with what your suggesting is that the danger of someone stealing claim is

still there, they just have to generate more hate than whoever has claim originally. I doubt any LS would risk

that.

[Sephirothxii]

Power Leveling will still be around I think, just that the PL won't be able to make the mob hit

him/her


P.S. Catch your own Pikachu! (

[ragingtoxin]

At

least tanks won't be shitty.

But then again... the RDM SMN and WHM can. Fucking Mage Fantasy XI.

[Bacchus]

There

will be no stealing of NM's... If a mob is clainmed... a mob is claimed. It's so ppl can't cause a Flail on

Fafnir and etc... Also the other change, so lets say your in Valley of Sorrows, fighting Aspi, and a Manticore

agro's, rdm sleeps it, and continues be-buff/nuke on aspi, well Manticore goes unclaimed, because you can only

have 1 claimed, well some asshole decides he wants to wake it up and get claim, but let it rip through Aspi party,

so he dia's it, it wakes up, is claimed by the asshole, and starts killing the rdm and rest of aspi fighters,

hence MPK. Now the asshole can't claim the Manticore unless he takes hate enough to get it off rdm, so no more of

the who's mob is this attacking me, it's claimed. Good idead IMO.

[nahla]

well, that

last post is right and wrong. the guy casting dia wont have claim, but he will have landed dia waking the mob up

and keeping it up , when the rdm/alliance was trying to keep it slept, soooooooooooooooo, u could still mpk that

way, like darters at faf, (im anti mpk, just stating it can still happen)