[Wodahsoguh]

Elites :
And nerf the rdm's already you dumb fuckers.

:yes
60 cap match, there was five melees beating on a taru red mage, we managed to get him down to 3/4 hp before we were all killed by the other team. We beat on him for a good 3 minutes, and just got picked apart. I don't think he died once that match.

[FactorOfZero]

Gonix :
Its funny how people think Ballista is PVP, Its more of a sport/team effort than PVP. (Pointing out the obvious)

I dont feel like making a new topic so im just going to ask here. Anyone seeing more than 6-8 people show at uncapped on your server? I think SE needs to add a bit more incentive to play ballista, But since someone mentioned Ballista is just "afterthought" in SE's eyes, i doubt that will ever happen.

Besides, More exp or Items might make retarded people come just for the exp bonus and ruin the whole game in iteself. Not caring about giving GB to the opponent... etc.. etc..

Anyway it makes me /emo when a match is cancelled ; ; (Hold me Kashu >.>)

To FactorOfZero errr.. okoeB.. lol -
Putting out 1.2k Asurans was alot of fun before nerf, and had me hooked to 4 digit numbers, Now rng is just as fun if not more fun, since my sidewinder has the potential to do that now. Since the sharpshot changes i can count on barrage if im in a sticky situation and need GB. Besides, Its always fun to fraps conversations with Asura's most retarded people when i WS them from behind killing them. Only downside, running from a thf or a ninja with no petra eater :/

Yea...in all honesty I can agree that ballista isn't PvP based completely. I do go solo very much when I feel my team is too incompetent to rely on, then its more of a get GB from someone weak -> score battle.

Ballista is down from the release of toau too, but SE -really- needs to put something new in, ballista gear would be awesome. The problem though, like what you said, is all the new asshats ruining the game for it. So maybe making chevrons useful instead of e-peen in order to obtain gear would be great.

I loved rng/sam my first 3 matches with it in 60 capped, I completely fell in love with it. Last night I did another jugner and it sucked SO bad. Both teams had nothing but asura's asshats on them chasing after me from killing them on my thf. In the end I disbanded and looked for ppl with ~75% hp to one-shot to get GB for scoring, ended up getting 1st MVP and 1st overall (over you >.>). I also fear Ruebyy more than any thf or nin, everytime I see him my knees get weak from excitement to see if his stun will get resisted with absolutely no resist gear!

Seriously though, ballista needs something new; all this bs SE is introducing isn't helping it, and making it cost 100 points just to warp to a match doesn't help either. I vote for gear, something that is actually useful end-game or at least on a lvl cap too.

Red mage does not need to be nerfed, people need to learn to leave them alone. Sleep them, bind them, gekko them, whatever; just do it then let them run then proceed with the beating of whomever was trying to kill you (if anyone). Any red mage can be easily overtaken with lethe water+1 or a sam/thf who knows what he is doing, no matter how skilled someone is they aren't invincible.

[Wodahsoguh]

He has a good point; good red mages are near invincible, but some red mages new to ballista or that just stink are much easier to kill.

[Calibour]

is that brenner stuff any good

[Tachibana]

30cap isn't really popular inless its on the weekend and even then it sometimes 4-4 people u always see more at like 60cap that kinda makes me mad guess people see that with more JA and job traits they think its funner i call it there all good just really depends on how much effort everyone puts into the match
but whenever it involves windurst people usually show up then cause windust has been in first a lot here lately and if they arent windurst is in second i guess everyone just wants to beat up us windurstrians

[Wodahsoguh]

Tachibana :
whenever it involves windurst people usually show up then cause windust has been in first a lot here lately and if they arent windurst is in second i guess everyone just wants to beat up us windurstrians

Are you really that stupid? Less than 50% of people on a team are actualy that nation. Between shuffling entries, autobalancing, and joining the game when it's Nation A vs Nation B and you're nation C, you're probably fighting someone bastokan on the windurst team.

[Gonix]

Its funny when people say "If you want real PVP go to WoW" Ive played WoW and it doesnt even resemble the way Ballista is played, I think SE made a good "Afterthought" as you call it.

You can solo in ballista sure, I do it alot when my team = Morons and I want a good score. Alot harder to be a ranger in small matches rather than big, the smart people target you and if you dont run, your toast.

Factor, in big matches getting a high score as Rng is really easy, I got around 268 in one jugner match, when all i did was Barrage>GB>score>SW>GB>score> Etc etc.

Brenner was fun for the one day it was played on Asura, lol. Dont think Ive personally seen a match since that day.

[Kauna]

Brenner on Odin is dead. Nobody plays that anymore.

[hokuten]

Wodahsoguh :

Elites :
And nerf the rdm's already you dumb fuckers.

:yes
60 cap match, there was five melees beating on a taru red mage, we managed to get him down to 3/4 hp before we were all killed by the other team. We beat on him for a good 3 minutes, and just got picked apart. I don't think he died once that match.

- rdm's are far from god people...They all do the same pattern,. Tect/Shell/SS/phx/AV/IS. And you know the rdm won't engage you unless he's got SS & phx up. Right away you should know to do any ga but diaga. poison/banish/ele watever just no dia. and he'll stay sleep'd(sleep 1/2, Sleep Arrow/Sleep Bolt) till his stoneskin is down. If he has IS or AV up use a letha water to get rid of that shit. (side tip if they are using a poison potion cast Poison > Dia > Banish to negate the posion potion so they're sleepable. If you got 6 motherfucking people...I don't care if he has AF Body, AV and other interruption gear on there should be NO way he can cure himself with 3+ people attacking him. Even if he has enhancing merit's, earring and it's cap'd no SS and Phx should last from 6 people. phx would wear off after 10-15 seconds at most will all that people, plus the rdm was a taru...low vit. Even if he did eat a Taco...There should still be no way a taru rdm should last that long. you guys seem like you don't have ideas on how to beat rdm's...here are some tips.
- If you have a thf near you...use a sleep bolt till SS wears off then do dancing edge. And every time he starts casting a buff on him SS/phx or cure you slap him with a sleep bolt, if he has a poison potion it'll interrupt his casting everytime...And if he's not the sharpest tool in the shed keep doing it, there is no way a rdm should be able to cure or buff himself with a thf or rng present.
- If you got a war, voke when he does a buff, it's only once every 30 seconds but that still gives you a couple of extra hits for tp and some life off his bar. If you got a bow or crossbow fire a slee arrow or bolt everytime he does a buff.
- If he has Is up, fire bolts or arrows till you get 100tp then ws, bolts/arrows to 100 tp...yaddi yadda yaddi yadda.
- there are so many ways to keep a rdm from buffing himself there should be no reason why 6 people can't take a rdm down if the other team is picking thme off 1 by 1.

[Augre]

Gonix :
Its funny when people say "If you want real PVP go to WoW" Ive played WoW and it doesnt even resemble the way Ballista is played, I think SE made a good "Afterthought" as you call it.

You're absolutely right, PvP in WoW does not resemble Ballista in any way. What a relief that is, because Ballista is unbelievably boring and not well thought out.

[Wodahsoguh]

When you don't have a ranger thief or warrior on your team (they seem to be less common on siren in ballista, and there's usualy 4 monks at least) red mages are a pain in the ass to kill.

[Gonix]

To each his own I geuss, there, Augre. You sound like a person that prefers mindless bashing and killing rather than a strategic layout.

What ever floats your boat.

[Wodahsoguh]

GALKA LIKE SMASH!

[Blood Red Poet]

I care about the opinions of level 51 THFs who play WoW.

[Xrave]

Someone already beat me to it on the last page, but if you want real PvP, go play Ultima Online.

[BlueNu]

i dont know if ballista is really pvp, but its hard to balance 17 different jobs

when its played right by 20 ppl or more, its a lot of fun, and everyone gets some chances to kill someonie (yes, even whms) and its got a bit of thinking as well

i wish they would make a few adjustments to the targeting system (like F8) though...

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to OP thread title... my answer: no - but ballista is prolly the next best thing (pvpish, but still not pvp - its like... soccer or something :dontgetit )