[onyxium]

Our chart has only -proven, tested- SC's, and yours is theory. Yes, some of the theorized ones work, but others of them don't. That's why I didn't add it, I'm not about to put incorrect information up.

I think you're on to something with the stats determining a spell's SC element, but it's not 100% accurate, so I'm not adding them until they're confirmed. This thread is for proven SC's that work, not theory.

Edit: Looking at it closer, your theory itself looks to be 100% accurate so far, the only thing that's inaccurate is your chart. I'm in the process in adding "theorized" SC elements on to my chart based on all the stats I have, I'm going to put them in a different color and put asterisks by them though until they're confirmed.

[onyxium]

Updated, need testing on any of the greyed out ones, as they aren't confirmed, but props to Sheilorb for discovering that stat-related element thing.

Edit: As far as A/B/C traits are concerned, these are a little tougher to test. I need the following SC's tested to determine what these actually are:

Screwdriver >> Starburst or Sunburst. It should make Reverberation or Compression, I need to know which.
Uppercut >> Raging Axe, Earth Crusher, Cyclone, True Strike, or Blade: Jin. Those should all make Fusion or Detonation, all the same.
Death Scissors >> Avalanche Axe, Spinning Axe, Calamity, Vorpal Blade, or Crescent Moon. Those should all make Impaction or Distortion, all the same.
Dimensional Death >> Tachi: Jinpu or Dancing Edge. Should make Distortion or Detonation.
1000 Needles >> Starburst or Sunburst. Should make Reverberation or Gravitation.
Almost anything that starts Distortion or Gravitation >> Body Slam. Just tell me what it makes, could be lots of things depending on the WS.
Hysteric Barrage >> Tachi: Jinpu or Dancing Edge. Should make Scission or Detonation.
Cannonball >> Raging Axe, Earth Crusher, Cyclone, True Strike, or Blade: Jin. Those should all make Fusion or Detonation, all the same.
Vertical Cleave >> Raging Axe, Earth Crusher, Cyclone, True Strike, or Blade: Jin. Those should all make Impaction or Detonation, all the same.
Spinal Cleave >> Anything that ends Fusion or Fragmentation. This one's going to be a mess to figure out since it looks like it has 3 elements like Sidewinder/Slug and Spinning Axe (the only other two skills like it), just tell me what you make with it and I'll go from there.

[onyxium]

It should chain with Flat Blade, Circle Blade, or Vorpal Blade. If it doesn't, something's wrong on there.

[onyxium]

Yeah, it shouldn't. Mandi Bite >> Flat Blade should make impaction though. The only sword WS you should be able to start an SC with Mandible Bite with is Circle Blade >> Mandible Bite = Induration I believe. But Mandible Bite >> Flat Blade/Circle Blade/Vorpal Blade should all make Impaction I think.

[wxeon]

>.> already shown that 1000 needles is a magical attack not melee

[Sheilorb]

Skoal :
In the process. and Sheil its b/c what we added is 100% solid true. And by ur standards you are missing a few, like uppercut for example, it can close fusion.

Responding to that, I did not have the stats for what Uppercut added at the time which is later said in the post there are a few spells that I have no clue what stats they add because the other forum post stating the stats has it listed as ??? and in response to the 1000 needles, my blu is only lvl 20 so again I don't know what the spells are. As Ony said i'm taking data gathered by other people and running it through my theory. Yes uppercut makes fusion because later as I found out it gives your STR and DEX. and anything that gives DEX has a lightning base and can end fusion. I'm interested in your guys findings so keep testing i'm sure they will all fall into line. =) The real question is, will BLU ever make a light chain or dark chain! it would only be possible if a spell had double stats opposite of Savage blade. Savage blade is wind and thunder so you would need a spell that adds fire and light or STR and CHR. There are some upper level spells like Vertical Cleave that are still listed as ??? in stat bonuses. Wouldnt it be interesting if they ended up self L3 chaining.

[rambus]

The way the skillchains work are the stat bonus that the spell adds when equiped determines the elemental base of the spells physical damage. For example: Bludgeon adds STR+1. STR is red element or fire. So it is in the fire based categories and can make the according skillchains. What would be more helpful that posting what skillchain you've made is reporting the stats that the spells that aren't listed in the chart have. The reason why Uppercut isnt on the chart is because in the forum topic Blue mage spell guide, the stat bonus for equipping uppercut is listed as ???. so, if you could do me a favor and if you happen to know the stat bonuses or you get the spell and see the stat bonus of a spell I do not have listed like Vertical Cleave, let me know. Then they can be placed accordingly.

A quick overview of what stat = what elemental base is

+HP / CHR = Light
+MP = Dark
+STR = Fire
+DEX = Lightning
+VIT = Earth
+AGI = Wind
+INT = Ice
+MND = Water

For example, Red Lotus Blade > Queasyshroom is Gravitation because in Aden's Renkei chart, Red Lotus Blade + a weaponskill that is dark based makes compression and Queasyshroom gives +5 MP and is considered to be a Dark elemental physical attack. So, from your statement that Shining Blade > Uppercut is Liquification, and from the knowledge that Shining blade resides in the section of the chart that is stone based and to make liquification uppercut must also add STR to be fire based to make the chain. So if you could post the stat bonus's of any skill that is not in my chart I will fill it in, and I will also add Sword skills into the chart so that you BLU's can make your own skillchains with your sword. =)

Thanks

the stat listing might clue in proties as well

screwdriver vit+1 chr+1 hp+10

so maybe scission A tranfixion B?


uppercut
Str 2 dex 1

liqufaction A/ impaction b?

[onyxium]

rambus :

the stat listing might clue in proties as well

screwdriver vit+1 chr+1 hp+10

so maybe scission A tranfixion B?


uppercut
Str 2 dex 1

liqufaction A/ impaction b?

I was considering that myself, but until someone tests them I don't want to say yay or nay on that yet.

[rambus]

i cant really think of a conflct for a impaction and liqufaction ws. i need to look at the ws's to see if one has a liqufaction and scission proptery is my bess guess to test it.

edit found it

uppercut > spinning axe =?

if i'm right it shold be

uppercut A(liqufaction)> spinning axe B(scission)= scission

if uppercut is impaction A then:

uppercut A(impaction)> spinning axe A (liqufaction)= liqufaction

scewdrver:

screwdriver A ( scission)> tachi: jinpu B (detonation)= detonation

or

screwdriver A ( transfixion) > tachi: jinpu A (scission) = distortion

[adennak]

I just wait to say, I've lurked a little bit here, and there's some fantastic progress going on in this thread! It's 12:30 AM, I just got back from the city, and I am too tired/sick/fried to bust out the email returns I am getting and do a full out comparison. But sometime this week, when I have a few hours to really devote to comparing my notes to what I see here, I might be able to clear up some of the ABC issues, or at least set up a few tests that will provide closure for most of these spells. I'm hoping to have a new publish out within a week's time. PUP is more or less ready, the new Relic information is as ready as its going to get, and BLU is coming along quicker than I thought. I'll be back when my brain isn't mush. ~_^

[Tubbers]

Looks good. Nice job on it.

[Kobiko]

Kobiko :
Shining Blade > Uppercut is Liquefaction as well.

Please add :3

[onyxium]

Rambus, I posted all the conflicts that need tested on the first page ^^; near the bottom.

Kobiko, try refreshing the page, it's there already

[Kobiko]

Whats the name of the skillchain that makes that big blackish ball and that VEEEOOOOOOOOOM sound? Anyone find a solo WS > BM form of it? I just find it neat ^^

[Nakata]

what about light and darkness sc ? :Q__

[kurousagi]

I solo'd Gravitation with red lotus => queasyshroom. The same should be possible with red lotus => sickle slash if things go according to patterns. I should try out red lotus=> terror touch, but terror touch takes a lil while to cast, so the last time I tried it i had too much hate and got interrupted. lol.

And yes, Gravitation is the "big black ball that makes the WOOOM sound".