[onyxium]

Aden I didn't even realize that was you xD

I posted some tests to determine the A/B/C's already but nobody has taken the initiative to test them yet, or at least if they have, they haven't posted it on either here or Alla

If you can come up with more that's cool. I'm sure there's probably more that I didn't list because as soon as I found a group of WS's that worked to test a certain spell out, I moved on to the next spell

[Norelle]

I really should look at things before I post another thing about them >_>
Sorry guys...

[Redheart]

can you post solo sc's with mb's that are possible also?

[adennak]

Okay, I have some A/B/C trials that I need confirmations on. What I normally do is post specific tests that will give me the priority information that I need, so that's what I am going to do here.

Uppercut This one is Thunder and Fire, but I don't know in what direction. Because they connect to each other (and not much else connects to both), it has to be an in-property test. Which means that Uppercut MUST START the Renkei used for the test, or else the other WS's priority will take effect. The good news is that Uppercut can Self Renkei, and that would work. In fact, any of these would give me the information I need:

Uppercut > Uppercut = ?
Uppercut > Spinning Axe = ?
Uppercut > Spinning Attack = ?
Uppercut > Full Swing = ?

Screwdriver Much like Uppercut, Screwdriver appears to be self-referential. However, it is only self-referential in one direction, so linking it to itself would only ever produce Distortion. That being the case, I've also provided some alternate tests. Any of these would answer its priority question (by determining whether Screwdriver starts in Light or in Earth):

Screwdriver > Tachi: Jinpu = ?
Screwdriver > Spinning Axe = ?
Screwdriver > Dancing Edge = ?

[onyxium]

adennak :
Okay, I have some A/B/C trials that I need confirmations on. What I normally do is post specific tests that will give me the priority information that I need, so that's what I am going to do here.

Uppercut This one is Thunder and Fire, but I don't know in what direction. Because they connect to each other (and not much else connects to both), it has to be an in-property test. Which means that Uppercut MUST START the Renkei used for the test, or else the other WS's priority will take effect. The good news is that Uppercut can Self Renkei, and that would work. In fact, any of these would give me the information I need:

Uppercut > Uppercut = ?
Uppercut > Spinning Axe = ?
Uppercut > Spinning Attack = ?
Uppercut > Full Swing = ?

Screwdriver Much like Uppercut, Screwdriver appears to be self-referential. However, it is only self-referential in one direction, so linking it to itself would only ever produce Distortion. That being the case, I've also provided some alternate tests. Any of these would answer its priority question (by determining whether Screwdriver starts in Light or in Earth):

Screwdriver > Tachi: Jinpu = ?
Screwdriver > Spinning Axe = ?
Screwdriver > Dancing Edge = ?

Hopefully you get better feedback than I did :x I'll put what I posted before in a similar format, these should determine priorities as well:

If these make Reverberation, Screwdriver's priority is Earth. If they make Compression, its Light.

Screwdriver > Starburst = ?
Screwdriver > Sunburst = ?

If these make Fusion, Uppercut's priority is Fire. If they make Detonation, its Thunder.

Uppercut > Raging Axe = ?
Uppercut > Earth Crusher = ?
Uppercut > Cyclone = ?
Uppercut > True Strike = ?
Uppercut > Blade: Jin = ?

[Shubaltz]

Kobiko :
Whats the name of the skillchain that makes that big blackish ball and that VEEEOOOOOOOOOM sound? Anyone find a solo WS > BM form of it? I just find it neat ^^

I think that is Detonation.

Edit: Oh, a blackish ball?
Gravitation and Darkness are the only SC effect with a blackish ball...

I think.

[onyxium]

Well well, apparently our wildest dreams have come true. Battosi (75 BLU) of IRON has confirmed the following:

Disseverment >> Asuran Fists = Darkness
Vertical Cleave >> Tachi: Gekko = Darkness
Savage Blade >> Cannonball = Light

Now if we can just get those damn priorities figured out :x Cmon guys, test test test! Trying, 30 BLU T_T

[kurousagi]

I have confirmed this in an exp PT:

Blade:Jin => Death Scissors produced Gravitation result.

[onyxium]

kurousagi :
I have confirmed this in an exp PT:

Blade:Jin => Death Scissors produced Gravitation result.

Hrmm..

I think this and the fact that people have been having trouble getting Mandibular Bite to start Fragmentation are going to make us take out those unproven SC's, few of them seem to be working :/ Possibly back to the drawing board..

[Battosi]

Blue can solo light and make light/darkness from any side of the chart.

Disseverment = Distortion
Vertical Cleave = Gravitation
Cannonball = Fusion
Ram Charge = Fragmenation

Solo light = Savage blade> chain affinity> Cannon ball= light

[kurousagi]

With Death Scissors, I once got a reverb doing dancing edge > death scissors. I didn't try it since then, but I ran some tests..

With a NIN I tried the follow combinations:

Blade: To > Death Scissors = Compression

Blade: Jin > Death Scissors = Gravitation

Tested it's water property, it indeed exists in water through this SC:

Vorpal Blade > Death Scissors = Reverberation

The fact that Blade: To > Death Scissors did NOT produce Fragmentation, leads to the priorities being A in dark, B in water.

[Redbaron]

got lvl40 tonight, solo sc is fun :yes

Thanks for all the info thus far, it really helps

[onyxium]

Updated and removed unconfirmed SC's since several have been reported not to work.

Also, the OP states:

Jet Stream -> Uppercut = XXX Doesn't Chain

This seems very strange, it should make Liquefaction, can anyone confirm/refute?

Need info on ALL physical magic not on that chart now.

[Jerrikk]

Mandibular Bite can be ended with to make Induration.

Frenetic Rip > Tachi Gekko is Frag, which means Frenetic Rip can also be used to make induration.

[Marleau]

Ok... a few things I've noticed with SCing....

1) You can't use Chain affinity > Spell > Weapon Skill.... TP goes down after spell is cast.... So how would you go about doing these chains? With another BLU?

2) Theres no Self-SC/Other weapon skill charts anywhere that I know of... Are there any places you know of where there are?

[onyxium]

1) Some of the chains can only be done with another person or another BLU. The only ones you can do solo are ones where you can start the WS with a Sword (or Club, I suppose...) WS and end with the BLU spell.

2) I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think Aden's new Renkei chart posted above should help with the Other Weapon skills you're talking about. As far the self-SC's, I suppose I could list the known ones:

[red]Liquefaction[/red]
Start with:
Fast Blade/Flat Blade/Shining Blade/Seraph Blade/Circle Blade/Vorpal Blade/Savage Blade/Shining Strike/Seraph Strike/True Strike/Judgement
End with:
Bludgeon/Pinecone Bomb/Uppercut

[orange]Scission[/orange]
Start with:
Burning Blade/Red Lotus Blade/True Strike
End with:
Claw Cyclone/Screwdriver

[sea]Reverberation[/sea]
Start with:
Fast Blade/Shining Blade/Seraph Blade/Vorpal Blade/Savage Blade
End with:
Power Attack/Sprout Smack/Death Scissors

[green]Detonation[/green]
Start with:
Fast Blade/Flat Blade/Shining Blade/Seraph Blade/Circle Blade/Vorpal Blade/Savage Blade/Shining Strike/Seraph Strike/True Strike/Judgement/Black Halo
End with:
Foot Kick/Smite of Rage

[blue]Induration[/blue]
Start with:
Circle Blade/Brainshaker/Skullbreaker
End with:
Grand Slam/Mandibular Bite/Frenetic Rip

[purple]Impaction[/purple]
Start with:
Circle Blade/Brainshaker/Skullbreaker
End with:
Battle Dance/Head Butt/Jet Stram/Uppercut

[yellow]Transfixion[/yellow]
Start with:
Black Halo
End with:
Wild Oats/Feather Storm/Helldive/Screwdriver

[grey]Compression[/grey]
Start with:
Skullbreaker
End with:
Queasyshroom/Terror Touch/Sickle Slash/Death Scissors

[red]Fusion[/red]
Start with:
Burning Blade/Red Lotus Blade
End with:
Battle Dance/Head Butt/Jet Stream/Uppercut

[sea]Distortion[/sea]
Start with:
Savage Blade/Black Halo
End with:
Disseverment

[purple]Fragmentation[/purple]
Start with:
Skullbreaker
End with:
Power Attack/Sprout Smack/Death Scissors

[grey]Gravitation[/grey]
Start with:
Red Lotus Blade/True Strike
End with:
Queasyhroom/Terror Touch/Sickle Slash/Death Scissors

[yellow]Light[/yellow]
Start with:
Savage Blade/Black Halo
End with:
Cannonball

[grey]Darkness[/grey]
Cannot be made solo by BLU without Icarus Wing or SMN sub + low level BP's.

[Cyfiawnder]

Did they totaly Nerf Blue Magic =>Blue Magic SC? It used to work and now it doesn't. I can only Self skillchain if I Chain Afinity > Weaponskill> Blue Magic. For Instance Chain afinity>>Red Lotus Blade>>Jet Stream= Liquification (I think)

As far as the person Above that was talking about a Skillchain with the Black Ball that makes the "Veeeeooooo" sound, you aren't getting The Sword Weaponskill (Spirits Within) confused wth a Skillchain are you?

[onyxium]

Cyfiawnder :
Did they totaly Nerf Blue Magic =>Blue Magic SC? It used to work and now it doesn't. I can only Self skillchain if I Chain Afinity > Weaponskill> Blue Magic. For Instance Chain afinity>>Red Lotus Blade>>Jet Stream= Liquification (I think)

As far as the person Above that was talking about a Skillchain with the Black Ball that makes the "Veeeeooooo" sound, you aren't getting The Sword Weaponskill (Spirits Within) confused wth a Skillchain are you?

If you were able to do a solo SC before with 2 Blue magic spells, that was a bug. The only way solo SC is supposed to be possible is the way you described.

And I think we determined that the Black Ball Veeoooooooo thing was Gravitation.

Edit: Damn Anti-bump protection. Anyways:

Anyone with the ability to test SC properties of a few spells, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm talking confirmed SC's here, not "Well Flying Hip Press gives AGI so it must be Detonation", as not all spells follow that rule, i.e. Death Scissors and 3/4 of the lvl 3 SC spells. Anyways, the following spells have yet to be tested (or reported anyways):

58 - Flying Hip Press
60 - Dimensional Death
62 - Body Slam (likely has multiple SC traits)
63 - Frypan
63 - Hydro Shot
63 - Spinal Cleave (likely has multiple SC traits, possibly 3)
69 - Hysteric Barrage (likely has multiple SC traits)
69 - Tail Slap

I could also use either of the following SC's tested:

Screwdriver >> Starburst
Screwdriver >> Sunburst

Also try beginning Fragmentation or Impaction with Mandibular Bite, if you could. Use any and all WS you can if you can't seem to get it to work.

Thanks.