[Wilster]

Did search and didn't see anything (don't know the name of thread so that didn't help). If anyone can put a link here that would be great.

[Mighty Jay]

1. Keep your darters to yourself.

[YugleesPalace ZOMG]

Yellow mobs are fair game if not then Voke until you claim it. If you need assistance MPK with the following tools:

Elementals
Darters
Trolls
Skeles
Antilians

If that doesn't work you can try top lag them out by circling the Alliance with hate on the mob

Btw if it's a JP who claims do yourself a favor and just log out and go outside.

[xDarkassassinx]

damn JP button

[Doku]

Best bet is waiting for GF to respond

[Aviator]

The HNM rules are very outdated and in need of changes, mostly due to the MPK/Powerup patch. The original summit meeting for the HNM rules was sparked by a fafnir claim in the Dragon's Aery, and some people were against "Holding" an HNM with so few people. For example, Chromehearts would kill fafnir with like 6 people over the course of 5-6 hours just for the sake of putting it back in their own time. So when the NA's claimed with few members, this rule was made:

You need at least 8 LS members to attempt to claim an NM.(Referring to Fafnir, Nidhogg, KB, Aspi, etc.)

If you ask me, this rule is now completely unnecessary, as the NM powers up in an hour. If you cant kill it in an hour, you dont deserve to kill it and it won't be long until the next group in line gets their go at it.

On the contrary, the rule regarding randoms is still widely followed, and I think it is fair for everyone to recognize this rule:

You mus have had at least 8 LS members at the time of pop in the zone to be able to random. (ie. You can't just log on your mule and say HEY! I WANNA RANDOM!) If another LS gets the pull, the remaining LS'es elect a representative to random, the order of who goes next is from highest to lowest random.

And then theres the same good ol' rules that everyone follows but Poisoned: No stealing NM's or MPKing, and if you are a witness of such an event, you should do anything in your power to assist the victims.

Greenfource probably has a more "Formal" rule book or whatever, but this is the jist of it.

[Doku]

I agree, the new MPK patch that removes outside ppl fromthe alliance getting hurt has changed the way peopel act at fafnir. People need to leave when another LS claims to get them a Lag free fair chance at killing the HNM.

[Aviator]

Agreed, I think there should be a rule for that too, that everyone goes outside to random/next in line wait at the entrance.

[Doku]

Aviator :
Agreed, I think there should be a rule for that too, that everyone goes outside to random/next in line wait at the entrance.

yeah if you want ToD, at least 1 mage can stay. 1-8 extra ppl standing AWAY from the mob wont cause any noticable lag.

[King Kane]

I'm not sure if there's a specific provision for when a person solo claims an NM and dies, but last night was not the first time something like this happened. We've had members claim NMs outside of alliance, die, and then watch it immediately taken by another LS. By the same token, we've also voked NMs ourselves that were solo claimed by other linkshells using outside members. I've always looked at it this way: if individual members outside of the main alliance are going to try and claim NMs, then it's your responsibility to get them into the alliance before they die.

As for last night, anyone who was paying attention should have known Mq was there alone and that it wasn't a legitimate claim. Most everyone in DA was spamming on Faf at that point. So even though I don't really care for Mercury, they didn't do anything wrong.

[YugleesPalace ZOMG]

What's stupid is that you have to ASK in order to get only a few of the rules for HNM claiming. If a LS randomly plans to go to KB they shouldn't have to post to get the rules, they should be easier to get.

[Aviator]

Kane, IMO solo claims are what's pretty stupid in the first place, and I've talked to MQ about it. The only possible outcome from a solo claim besides thinking you are totally hilarious, is to cause a shitload of drama. It can easily stop if solo claims arent allowed.

[Wilster]

This is why so many people from Lust were upset. Last week TC got claim with outside member and he died. I guess it was decided it was an illegitimate claim because he wasn't in their main alliance. Merc spammed and got claim after the TC member died. Everyone randomed and ER won, merc handed over fafnir. So last night mq claims solo and died, merc spams and gets claim. We all random and Lust wins, but we don't get the mob. Unless I messed up something that doesn't seem right.

If there are rules can we please have them posted or if the rules need to be updated can someone organize the shells. Other people besides Lust members questioned the rule so its not just because we are new.

[Aviator]

Well the first incident, to me it was unclear who got the claim, I couldn't see anything. It shouldnt mater if they are in your alliance, if your LS claims it, your LS claims it. If that is what happened, then we were all wrong to random. The second incident, I believe is a gray area because I've seen numerous occasions when people random after a solo claim, and visa-versa. I still stick with eliminationg solo claims as part of the solution. More solid rules couldnt hurt though.

[Cuteniki]

Wilster :
This is why so many people from Lust were upset. Last week TC got claim with outside member and he died. I guess it was decided it was an illegitimate claim because he wasn't in their main alliance. Merc spammed and got claim after the TC member died. Everyone randomed and ER won, merc handed over fafnir. So last night mq claims solo and died, merc spams and gets claim. We all random and Lust wins, but we don't get the mob. Unless I messed up something that doesn't seem right.

If there are rules can we please have them posted or if the rules need to be updated can someone organize the shells. Other people besides Lust members questioned the rule so its not just because we are new.

How can Lust win a random if not even all Linkshells randomed? If we randomed, and had lost and then wouldn't give it to you i could understand your problem but we didn't and Kane pretty much explains why. Thats the same i wrote on our Homepage and said in the Aery. Last week TC member claimed with 18+ ppl in his back (not sure if he was solo or in an outside pt), so the rules are clear there, Mercury does /random if a LS wipes (PT management, Darters or w/e reason doesn't really matter as long it wasn't a MPK) which was the case. Yesterday Mqickz claimed solo, and everyone knew he is going to die. He was alive for about 20? sec, that should be enough time for everyone to realise who got the claim and that Fafnir going to to be unclaimed.

[Aviator]

IMO the rules should be set up so there is never a spam fest. If someone claims it solo like an idiot, just random, it's not that big of a deal. Every linkshell seems to have their own opinions of how things SHOULD work (and I can give MANY examples), but until there is a solid (realistic, agreed upon, up-to-date) system of rules there will always be drama.

[Cuteniki]

If there is such a rule Mercury gonna follow that as long all LS agree to that. But that spam fest will be there anyway since i doubt any LS trust all other LSs blindely, especially the new ones. Sure isn't random a big deal but if you don't even know if thats a general behaviour of the LS or they just pissed they lost the spam and try every chance now for the kill you sure think twice about a random if the rules aren't clear. You can discuss about what we did last night but mercury didn't broke any rule ánd i remember a similiar situation on KB when solo person claimed and Ethereal took it and refused to random too. Merc and Psn /randomed then and just waited for Ethereal to wipe and finished him. Thats why i don't really understand why Ethereal even spoke up, it's exactly what they did. (During that a PJ member there who was getting tod also said Ethereal did a legal claim and doesn't have to random)

[Wilster]

I agree, one set that everyone agrees on is best. What happens if someone decides not to follow it after they agree to it?

Edit: Spamfest shouldn't be there. Why make rules if you will still just spam.

[Aviator]

Nobody is pointing fingers anymore Cuteniki, after all we know your LS is the perfect image of the "Diabolos Community". Bottom line now is somebody steps up and tries to make a better set of rules, or everyone just sucks it up, or (most likely) keeps on bitching when they dont get their way.

[Cuteniki]

Aviator :
Nobody is pointing fingers anymore Cuteniki, after all we know your LS is the perfect image of the "Diabolos Community". Bottom line now is somebody steps up and tries to make a better set of rules, or everyone just sucks it up, or (most likely) keeps on bitching when they dont get their way.

Hehe you could point fingers until they bleed i wouldn't care, and calling Mercury the perfect image of the Diabolos community doesn't bother me, since we adapt our HNM behaviour to the older NA LS (at that time they were 2, PJ is one of them) We play by the rules as long they cover the situation, if they don't we wont make any presents. Or you try to tell me anyone acts different?
But anyway, we are up for a change on the rules.