[Regalius]

It's like this. In terms of def/vit/hp, koenig is w/o compare. You just can't beat it. I'm speaking in terms of endgame/hnm stuff. I only have the koenig pieces from sky, but I've seen the arguement about enmity loss, but enmity can be made up from belts, mantles, rings, earrings, food.... You just can't beat koenig folks.

[Calibour]

I don't have a jelly ring and my friends have asked me if i need help getting one. personally i don't see how its gonna make much of a difference. In exp pts if you get hit for around 80-120, with the jelly ring you will be taking about 4-6 less damage. That will make little to no difference.

[Mugmug]

Regalius :
It's like this. In terms of def/vit/hp, koenig is w/o compare. You just can't beat it. I'm speaking in terms of endgame/hnm stuff. I only have the koenig pieces from sky, but I've seen the arguement about enmity loss, but enmity can be made up from belts, mantles, rings, earrings, food.... You just can't beat koenig folks.

Well, I have 4/5 pieces of Koenig and I think they're all pieces of shit. You can beat Koenig, it's called Darksteel+1. -13% physical damage > 60 VIT.

JK JK JK They aren't shit. Full Koenig + E.staff + Jelly ring 4tw.

[Calibour]

Darksteel reduction doesn't stack. Each time you get hit, only reduction on one piece will kick in.

[Moggly]

Ring and koenig are great for soloing pld/rdm, or pld/anything really. All that defense and vit + phalanx + shield proc = tough owning bliss(or VT imp /cheer). Otherwise use for very heavy hitting mobs. Ex: Dynamis, HNMs, gods, Aura Stats maybe, crap like that. Don't really need jelly for normal xp anymore much like we don't use earth staff any more(though I do macro both in with adaman and valor, koenig, ect if I'm having my sphincter resized by a wyvern or something).

Edit: meh, spelling

[Corinthian]

Basically it can be summed it this way: for every pld that has tanked for their koenig they will do better without it then with it when controlling hate. A lv90 hnm has so much str and att that even 999+ def and 170+vit do nothing to really curb it. So, what do you do? Gather an hp+ set and an enmity+ set and see how much your ls needs your enmity.

There's really only two pieces of koenig that have superior hp+, the body and pants, the other pieces have better alternatives for hp+ for nearly all races (like w turbin is better then koenig unless you expect shield+5 to save you more then haste and mp, like as a pld/nin).

This is koenig's chief failure, lack of enmity+. Obviously it's going to vary just how much your ls needs from your enmity gathering ability so you need to shift your gear around as you tank to help them nuke more, attack more, and hopefully kill faster. Also have to keep in mind how much enmity your cotanks have on or have available to them so that you aren't stuck tanking more then you need to. For that mixing in koenig can help but I'd rather see myself with 2000+ hp.



~Ori

[thedramallama]

Darksteel reduction doesn't stack. Each time you get hit, only reduction on one piece will kick in.

lol?

[Takedown2]

sword: hrotti/joyeuse
shield: koenig
head: bahamuts mask
body: koenig
neck: harmonia torque
hands: homam(dont have)/valor
waist: warwolf
legs: wlegs/valor (situation)
feet: homam
ear1: cassie(dont have)/intruder/pigeon+1/bloodbead/insomnia(i think)
ear2: etheral
ring1: sattva
ring2: BBQ/herc(enmity)
back: shadow mantle
ammo: fenrir's stone

thats my typical setup for almost all HNM/Wyrm stuff i do on pld dont really bother to much with swapping gear on pld for things like voke etc

[OzZnfruitloops]

The FFXI community kinda angers me a bit. This is why.

When I started playing, Paladin was ideal because they took less damage. Pld/War meant holding hate was easy.

Then near gear was added and everyone was able to put out better numbers so Pld had to hold hate better, so we stacked +Enmity

Then everyone complained that we took too much damage so they went to Ninja. At least we could hold hate better than ninja so battles could go faster...

But then there started to be a shortage of Healer/Support Jobs (at least on my server) so Ninja became more useful.

So Pld goes Pld/Ninja and Boosts Enmity and HP.

PLD gets a huge boost from updates. Refresh + Shield Boosts and such. We take FAR less damage than we ever have. Against Tough Wyverns i averaged 20-80 damage on most attacks and im holding most DD gear.

So with that kind of damage reduction, and a huge set like Koenig...that would make you into a brick wall, right?

Wrong because no everyone is pulling out insane numbers so holding hate is more important than damage reduction

Damned if we do, Damned if we dont...no one wants to hold back a bit so that a Paladin can hold hate in Koenig and take little damage (hell we still have cover)...just get hit PLD and hold hate!!!

I still want full koenig. I want to see a monster hit me for as little as possible

[`MbS`]

you don't take little damage with full koenig. sure, you take less than without koenig, but not enough to make it worth over enmity or other stuff (but body and maybe legs)


no wait, you actually take 0 damage since hate is on other players.

[Dirian]

The point is that you won't take significantly less dmg in koenig than you will in enminty setup. If you want to take as little dmg as possible get HQ darksteel set.

[MorePrimeToTheOunce]

Balance is they key.

im galka pld 75

I always try to have 1700 hp while having atleast enmity+25 and 110 vit minium and 250~ 270~ mp and not forgeting DEF. After that, if I can have more of any of those numbers its just better.

since the shield patches and all, earth staff is cat poop now, that actually give us 1 more slot, we can now have a sword and shield, so you can have more costumization there.

about the question of Koenig...

If you gona do HNM it has some use. but other than that you not gona need Koenig, and even without Koenig you can tank HNM perfectly.

We are not like DD jobs, abjuration and HNM gear for DD jobs and stuff is still useful to them outside HNMs situation cuse damage is damage.

But Koenig outside HNM situation is very useless.. unless you wana look cool I guess >_>;

[Dirian]

Even on HNMs, most of koenig is overly situational.

[Krandor]

The only use for my Koenig Gear is to wear the feet around town since they have more E-penis then AF+1 feet. Koenig Hands have been in storage for almost 8 months now, and about the only thing I use the Head for is Ouryu (but we're probably changing to a PLD/NIN tanking setup for that soon so sup Assjammer)

[OzZnfruitloops]

But thats my point...if you look at it on paper, its totally up our alley...its a Paladin gear, and crap...Enmity shouldnt be a problem, but everyone else puts out such high numbers now that, enmity comes first when balancing out vit. Is that right? I would say no, it shouldnt be that way...It would be like a Warrior saying "yea i got enough attack, I dun need to use berserk"...all the Vit we can get should help us...its not us that realized how useless it is, rather the rest of the Community outgrowing the PLD way.

So then we turn to /nin and Enmity and HP?

Oi, i still dont like it, but i'll go with it...

I still want koenig ; ;

[Meowolf]

god i fucking hate /nin on that thing, the slow is horrible

and you're not "out growing the PLD way" by not using craptastic armor or subbing ninja >.>

[Krandor]

I just don't know why people can't get it thru their head that using /NIN is in some way defiling the "PLD way" or whatever the hell you want to call it. A PLD is a tank, pure and simple. Who cares how you hold hate, as long as the mob stays on you you're doing your job.

As for Ouryu yeah, I fucking hate tanking that fight so much, gonna try tweaking it around after we get some more evokers, trying to find the least painful tanking setup. Did it this week with 2x PLD/WAR and WAR/WHM but even with Aerial Armor that setup just seems to require too much healing.

[Corinthian]

Almost might be better served as /whm or /rdm on ouryu if you can still manage to sleep it on the ground (if that's y'all's way of killing it). Won't need /nin then though I've managed to straight tank it when a single co-tank for an entire cycle on the ground before it flew again so it's not too difficult but is pretty draining (ethereal earring... I wish I had it >< ). Enmity/hp build ftw, though shield actually seems to proc on him a lot more then like fafnir or tiamat but then it could just be me.

A lot of good koenig does when it flies... gogo elemental resist setup! >
~Ori

[Krandor]

Skillchains, Magic Bursts, and SMNs My LS doesn't have really the kind of BLM army to Manaburn it.

[Meowolf]

youre right ori, been /waring for a while now, shield is great on him. krandawg, sounds like you did it pretty much the same way we do it, how was your time?