[Tydus-Diabolos]

Diamente :
Ok I know historically there are nerdy stereotypes of RPG gamers: 1. The obese dirty gamer, 2. The depressed pale goth gamer and 3. The skinny math wiz with the think glasses gamer; just to name a few. But why is this?? If you look through FFXIplayers.com you see that the majority of serious gamers on your server fall into one of these categories (not the ones that play maybe 2 hours a week). I mean I am a FFXI nerd, have been for many years now but yet I get out into the world, go clubbing/dancing/drinking, go to the gym 2+ hours 5-6 times a week and as a result have a pretty kickin' bod to show for it (have a few wet undies contests awards on my wall), have a great relationship with my bf, a really good job and take the time to make sure I dress myself nice. Usually when I bring this up in game everyone is usually like "eh, i don't care enough; i'm too fat to workout; i don't care if i look good, i just buy clothes; etc"

Why are gamers (and most nerds and geeks) like this? I know you all prolly think I'm a freak but I just don't understand the lack of caring. I know for a fact you can do all this stuff and EASILY pull off 24 hours+ a week on a game.

*And no giving the "I'm just too naturally ugly/fat to ever be attractive to anyone so I don't care." Everyone can make whatever they were given work and be sexy, hell even the phantom of the opera is hot with his mask on.

I lol'd

[Eike]

It Pretty easy to tell who plays Video games, and who doesn't by the way one carries him/her self. An Looks has nothing to do with it ( it all about personality.

Most people i know that play video games(includes girls) are not to social (obviosuly cause your on a game for 4-6hrs) and don't talk alot. Their not fat or nerdy just not social, which is a proven fact that must people that play video games tend to be anti social or not social at all, but the real question that bugs me is...who cares what people think about video gamers.

Is it a way to say your better then someone that plays a video game cause you chose to get a breath of fresh air today or what?

[Sephi]

The gay community as a whole views looks as very important when most other people don't.

That isn't truth. That's what you see on TV all of the time.

[meehkaw]

That's right, be proud Daggy! Tell em what Gay's are all about. :yes

[pathwriter]

It's not exactly far from the truth, though, Sephi. Males are ruled by their eyes, we all know this. When you've got two males attracted to one another, it squares the problem. What you end up with, in a lot of cases, are a pair of women with Y chromosomes (women dress up to impress each other, not men), which makes the whole process incredibly frustrating for anyone who still remembers that he's male.

The OP is a load of crap. It doesn't take any kind of intellect to grasp why people live their lives the way they do. Me, personally, I can't stand competitive sports nor can I tolerate mindless, non-stimulating repetition. It's why I couldn't stand to camp HNMs but it's also why I can't stand lifting weights. The most that my brain does during the entire time I spend in a gym is count to 10 repeatedly. Thanks to mass media and an unhealthy addiction to caffeine, I, like most people in the US, can't sit still and be bored like that, I have to find something that'll keep me awake.

Tell me, Mr Hot Bod (a claim that should never be made without photographic proof), why do you enjoy pissing money away in clubs? I've tried that and the best I've gotten from it were a couple one-night stands (that I don't regret but, ultimately, weren't really worth it) and a lighter wallet.

If you want any kind of answer, the reason I started playing MMOs (as opposed to normal video games that you can either play for 20-40 minutes at a time or completely wear out in less than a week) is because I live in a shithole. When your social scene consists of sitting in a crappy bar or wandering through the mall until your intestines leap up and try to strangle you from the inside, there's not a lot of reason to give a damn about real life anymore. It's a nasty downward spiral, though, as most vices are. Video games, especially MMOs, are every bit as addicting as alcohol, drugs, gambling, or eviscerating puppies. Most people who are overweight and out-of-shape didn't choose to end up in that situation, but a combination of bad nutrition and little to no physical exercise will create it, anyhow. And it's a lot easier to get fat than skinny, as I can attest to with every day that my head pounds from lack of calories and the urge to snap an anorexic in two.

I've got a question, though... why bring a passive-aggressive argument like this to KI? If you're actually concerned, go do something about it, start a charity that'll bring more and varied physical activities into schools and provide free or cheap gym memberships to people with significant weight problems. If you just want to bash on someone because they've made a few poor life choices and it's reflected in their waistline instead of their liver, lungs, credit history, or criminal record, then just shut the hell up.

[Diamente]

Sephi :

The gay community as a whole views looks as very important when most other people don't.

That isn't truth. That's what you see on TV all of the time.

Yeah you only see the hottie loud ones because of just that, they're loud and hot. Since that's mostly what you notice, many people think this is your typical gay guy. The general populace all need to get acquainted with the HORDES of big gay fat hairy bears. But in bear defense I've seen a bear take out a comb once and ask another one to fluff up his shoulder hair so he'll look fluffier in his tank top, so they don't neglect how they look from a certain perspective i guess. *cry*

[Sephi]

meehkaw :
That's right, be proud Daggy! Tell em what Gay's are all about. :yes

w No rumors, plz

It's not exactly far from the truth, though, Sephi. Males are ruled by their eyes, we all know this. When you've got two males attracted to one another, it squares the problem. What you end up with, in a lot of cases, are a pair of women with Y chromosomes (women dress up to impress each other, not men), which makes the whole process incredibly frustrating for anyone who still remembers that he's male.

Well I'm saying from personal experience (I'm not gay myself, but my parents are). Gay people don't have any more of a desire to look good than straight people.

[Diamente]

pathwriter :
It's not exactly far from the truth, though, Sephi. Males are ruled by their eyes, we all know this. When you've got two males attracted to one another, it squares the problem. What you end up with, in a lot of cases, are a pair of women with Y chromosomes (women dress up to impress each other, not men), which makes the whole process incredibly frustrating for anyone who still remembers that he's male.

Ok your whole post gets invalidated when saying 2 gay men is like 2 women with Y chromosomes. Ignorant much?

pathwriter :
The OP is a load of crap. It doesn't take any kind of intellect to grasp why people live their lives the way they do. Me, personally, I can't stand competitive sports nor can I tolerate mindless, non-stimulating repetition. It's why I couldn't stand to camp HNMs but it's also why I can't stand lifting weights. The most that my brain does during the entire time I spend in a gym is count to 10 repeatedly. Thanks to mass media and an unhealthy addiction to caffeine, I, like most people in the US, can't sit still and be bored like that, I have to find something that'll keep me awake.

I'd rather count to 10 a million times in a gym then count to 10 a million times from lying in a hospital bed after my first heart attack at 40, or counting to 10 a million times while lying in bed at night unable to sleep well bcause I've been loading myself with 8 cups of coffee a day for the last 5 years.

pathwriter :
Tell me, Mr Hot Bod (a claim that should never be made without photographic proof), why do you enjoy pissing money away in clubs? I've tried that and the best I've gotten from it were a couple one-night stands (that I don't regret but, ultimately, weren't really worth it) and a lighter wallet.

There is a pic of me in this topic if you were to actually care to read it closer. Clubbing is fun because you get to meet new people, dance with a guy or girl, and get out of the house and office.

pathwriter :
If you want any kind of answer, the reason I started playing MMOs (as opposed to normal video games that you can either play for 20-40 minutes at a time or completely wear out in less than a week) is because I live in a shithole. When your social scene consists of sitting in a crappy bar or wandering through the mall until your intestines leap up and try to strangle you from the inside, there's not a lot of reason to give a damn about real life anymore. It's a nasty downward spiral, though, as most vices are. Video games, especially MMOs, are every bit as addicting as alcohol, drugs, gambling, or eviscerating puppies. Most people who are overweight and out-of-shape didn't choose to end up in that situation, but a combination of bad nutrition and little to no physical exercise will create it, anyhow. And it's a lot easier to get fat than skinny, as I can attest to with every day that my head pounds from lack of calories and the urge to snap an anorexic in two.

I've lost a ton of weight and have never gone hungry doing it. As for your social situation, I've been there before and I just knew I would pull myself out of it. If you take the glass half empty mentality like you seem to have you will never get out of it. I myself did not choose to go down that path.

pathwriter :
I've got a question, though... why bring a passive-aggressive argument like this to KI? If you're actually concerned, go do something about it, start a charity that'll bring more and varied physical activities into schools and provide free or cheap gym memberships to people with significant weight problems. If you just want to bash on someone because they've made a few poor life choices and it's reflected in their waistline instead of their liver, lungs, credit history, or criminal record, then just shut the hell up.

First off, its Flame Wars. I do do charities, I volunteer my time all the time. I do charity runs and walks and always get my friends involved. When I used to work at a gym, I would give out free memberships to people on the street all the time (I had a pack of business cards kept in my wallet). I still refer people. Finally, I've never bashed anyone in this post if you read it. I merely asked a question and the closest thing I've done to bashing is when I said that it seems unnatural for someone to focus on sharpening their mind over their body or vice/versa because you are not simply a physical or mental being, but both.

[pathwriter]

Heavens, you people must introduce me to all these sane gay males that you seem to know. Whenever I go looking for a date, the only options are either twice my age or so deep in the closet that they make Dick Cheney look like a drag queen.

[Diamente]

Pathwriter, where do you live? Like what part of the country? Maybe that might clear up somethings.

[pathwriter]

Northeastern Ohio, a city called Youngstown, though I've lived in Columbus, OH, and Pittsburgh, PA. The irony is that I'm about an hour from the largest concentration of openly gay people in the country (one of the suburbs of Cleveland), but down here, I may as well be in backwoods Arkansas. It's not that I'm not worldly, it's that I don't share many interests with the average queens that I meet (whose entire personalities are often an act of conformity rather than reality) and I have precious little tolerance for people who are closeted and living within 5 miles of their parents.

[Diamente]

Well this may suprise you but I met my better half on one of san diego's more "upscale " hook-up/meet people sites. We're moving in together next month. I always find the best way to find level headed guys who aren't like the queens or bears is to find the regular looking guys that are in the clubs who talk shit about the queens. Its easy to strike up a convo with them with queens as a topic and in no time you'll have a man and a drink in hand or even better a drink and a man in your hand! My dad lives where you do but I've never been to any of the clubs up there or I would point ya in a good direction. :blush

[pathwriter]

There aren't any clubs up here worth going to. I've been to most of them and those that have any kind of crowd of under-30 people always have the same crowd. I understand this is a hard concept to impart on people from California, but the midwest (which does include my area of the world) is the epitome of the "red state" concept. And, no, it's not within my means to flee this place, which is why I spend entirely too much time hanging around this site.

[Diamente]

I'm from Western New York, between Buffalo and Rochester. The closest club to me growing up was a 50 minute drive in either direction..... I know the pain.

[pathwriter]

By the way, ugly and fat are two very different concepts. I looked up your photo and while your body is in shape... I really pray that your face looks better than that photo implies. Face-on images never look good, though.

[Diamente]

I am soooooooooo drunk in that pic and freezing cold. I'm getting a new pic soon. Everyone always asks me why the hell I keep that pic up cause yeah they say my face is fucked up in it. I think I keep it up cause its funny to show it for "OMG you wore that in public???"-ness of it.

[shotaro-kaneda]

I think everyone, no matter what you're into, should care about his or her personal hygiene. Shower daily, wear deodorant, etc. But beyond that, I really don't care about how much other people put into looking good. Well... That’s not completely true. When I'm in a grocery store or Wal-Mart or something and someone is walking around in clothes (if you can even call them cloths) that nobody should wear outside their own house, it's disgusting.

Personally, I'm 6'0'' and 120 lb. Not because I try to keep a good figure, but I'm just naturally very thin. I wear the same thing every day so I don't have to bother deciding what to wear in the morning. That may sound crazy to you all, but whatever. I care about my hair a lot and spend a good 20~30 minutes a day styling it. I feel confident in the way I look when I go out so if anyone has a problem with it, fuck you.

OP, you need to stop caring how other people live their lives, because most of them are fine with their life and don't give a shit what you have to say.

EDIT: When I said I wear the same thing every day I don't mean the same t-shirt, I mean I have about 10 of the same shirt that I of course change daily. just making it clear that I don't wear dirty clothes for weeks...