[Davik]

Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.

Nigga talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.

I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.

You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.

As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.

But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.

I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.

In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.

In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.

You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.

But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois lead. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.

So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.

Viva la revolution!

~Immortal Technique

[Poochoo]

Wall of text is HUEG! An inspiring speech, I have nothing to say for or against it...but *hands Davik a flame helmt* you might want this.

[Layne]

Davik :
So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.

I didn't read your essay, so my bad. Is that your point you were trying to make? Cuz I can tell you that that philosophy only works in theory.

[Bobvob]

Lol bump a day old thread
in short: Everything you say is utter crap. Go sip out of your Che mug (convienently made by a child labor sweatshop in China!) The Evil rich people are NOT tring to oppress your working class witt. Get out of the 30s. In fact.. it is the opposite! The whole world is just a computer program made by the evil poor people to oppress the rich minority!

...

HOWEVER, I do appreciate the fact that SOMEONE is still tring to post insightfull material that we can look at and debate (debate as in Flame the hell out of) in Flame wars, bravo for that, I suppose.

[ragingtoxin]

TL;DR

[Nimbusyosh]

The problem with revolution is that you have to have enough pissed off people to get up and do something about change. As you can see here, no one even has the energy to give you more that a " this is complete crap" statement. Hell, they won't even read the wall of text, though it's what I've been saying all along.

Let me try to translate in a language they can understand.

You know a BUNCH of people from sandy that would make an AWSOME end-game linkshell. However, most of these people are broke and/or don't want to put in the effort to work in that linkshell. Some people even join one of those fucktard LS's that think FFXI is a job, thus becoming a Fucktard themselves.And worse of all, some of these people think they have to be snobby assholes cause they're from sandy and think that's how their supposed to act.

The solution is a hard one, and you can't do it alone, and it saddens me to say that it'll take something to piss A LOT of these sandorians off for them to join together.

I feel your rant, and I wish I could help out the situation, but the best thing I can do is get my money right and take care of my family untill something happends that we can step up and get the revolition started.

Untill then, remember your history, stay low, and get as much knowlege as you can, from your friends AND your foes.


4HORSEMAN( the revolition will not be podcasted)4LIFE

[Cruzandercerberus]

Davik :
Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually A waste of time and in the end will yield no food or money. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, Because I know exactly what the identity of everyone is based on their skin color and how many times they use the word "nigga" an hour (NPH index). there's no way in hell I really know what's going on in this country and i have no real concept of what the consequences of war really are. I am completely ignorant.

Nigga talk about change, all like.. Hey nigga can I have some spare change?. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. I know this because I once like applied for federal assistance and they told me i had to get a Post office box.. They tried to change me There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of Their own Cocaine Cartels.. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as every government in the fucking world. force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.

I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others. Except white people.

You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America and our own corrupt officials being too busy with a face full of cocaine and a wallet full of U.S. Dollars.. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well. I judge this by millions of people who emmigrate from the facist America to these superior countries.. because noone flees these wonderful places on a floating door to seek political asylum in america because they pissed off some cocaine cartel or communist government.

As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in wherever the hell Vieques is.

But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in (fucking cracker wannabe mother fuckers), or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from Jews who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive like me El-Camino on 24's or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. and by them I mean "white people" because I am too stuck on my own self deluded standards of inferiority to see past stupid media bombardmant. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.

I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.

In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougiouis Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.

In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.

You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros. Because any black or latno man with more money than me is automatically a "House negroe" unless he got said money from slinging dope or rapping.

But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois lead. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.

So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us in the proletariat.

Viva la revolution!

~Immortal Technique

Fixed..

Quit hatin on rich people, Stop bitching.. Start a revolution..

*plays "Genesis" by Busta Rhymes for nimbus."

[Sonos]

i do not listen to any american's opinion of foreigners unless they have been out of the country themselves. it tends to be the case that the loudest people against anything foreign haven't ever stepped foot out of their own backyard. so dont confuse "here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people" with educated people. they are not.

true change wont happen in this country until we lose some of this absolute wealth we have aquired through a depression or real war. the amount of wealth that 99% of all americans possess is staggering if you've ever been anywhere. even the ghetto dwellers. they dont know what real poverty is.

[Bobvob]

tends to be the case that the loudest people against anything foreign haven't ever stepped foot out of their own backyard

I use to think that Europeans were not too bad... then I lived there.
I quickly changed my mind...

[Sonos]

Bobvob :

tends to be the case that the loudest people against anything foreign haven't ever stepped foot out of their own backyard

I use to think that Europeans were not too bad... then I lived there.
I quickly changed my mind...

i dont consider europeans much of anything. going to europe will teach you nothing of the world and about real people more unfortunate than ourselves. unless looking at 20,000 crufixition paintings is your idea of travel. europe in general is a fucking joke. sadly, we arent very far behind

i was talking more central and south america as thats my only frame of reference outside of europe. great cheap place to go to see how good we have it. moneywise. in everything else we are morally bankrupt compared with them.

[Nimbusyosh]

Rage

*listens to this after genisis*

[Zoooooooooot]

Immortal Technique used to be so much better. It's sad...out of the two new songs he released, he had two good lines. Just more proof that ego can chop anyone down at the knees. Oh well, i'll be happy if the third album doesn't suck >_>

[Villainous]

Wow, nice wall of text OP. You obviously have only a rudimentary grasp of Latin American history, so let me avail you of some basic historical facts:

The Spanish government created a situation in which political connections could ensure profitable monopolies while entrepreneurship was of little benefit. Public offices were lucrative means to economic advancement and could be bought and sold.

Perhaps most controversial is the case of Chile. Economic reforms were instituted by Pinochet’s military dictatorship that handed over power to a democratic regime in 1989, when a couple of guys who were up to no good, startin makin trouble in my neighborhood! I got in one lil fight and my mom got scared, She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in bel Air'...

[Zoooooooooot]

Just figured i'd toss this in. OP did not in any way write this. It's an interlude made by a primarily political lyricist named Immortal Technique from New York. Originality ft....wait, scratch that. ^.~

[Bobvob]

gah, Someone give me something else to Flame....
/dies of lack of smartassery

Err... can't end the post with that... how about...
Lolproletarianliberation

[Phlow]

http://www.lyricsdir.com/immortal-techniqu...phy-lyrics.html

WEEEE! LET'S POST UNORIGINAL SHIT THAT YOU NEVER WROTE AND THINK THAT IT'S "ORIGINAL THOUGHT". FUCKING BRILLIANT.

[XnoXzempt]

Phlow
http://www.lyricsdir.com/immortal-techniqu...phy-lyrics.html

WEEEE! LET'S POST UNORIGINAL SHIT THAT YOU NEVER WROTE AND THINK THAT IT'S "ORIGINAL THOUGHT". FUCKING BRILLIANT.

Fix the Cap Lock on your keyboard and stop begging for attention. He never tried to pass it off as "ORIGINAL THOUGHT."

Davik
~Immortal Technique

[Dimmauk]

Phlow :
http://www.lyricsdir.com/immortal-techniqu...phy-lyrics.html

WEEEE! LET'S POST UNORIGINAL SHIT THAT YOU NEVER WROTE AND THINK THAT IT'S "ORIGINAL THOUGHT". FUCKING BRILLIANT.

Thats awesome!

I havent seen an OP pull a mega fail in a long time.

[Hartigan]

I'm getting out the fail stick.

[Hadyn]

Oh, no wonder the OP hasn't been back yet.
He can't defend anything in that wall o' text.
I doubt he can evern comprehend it.