[Jeryhn]

I'm currently raising a purely physical chocobo.

Right now he's Day 11 with Substandard STR and END, and Poor DIS and REC.
Personality: Ill-tempered. Bred using the Gourmet Plan with two black chocobos with decent physical attributes.
Keeping his Affection status high, so he's been under the "Perky" effect almost every day since hatching.
Daily Feeding consists of 3 Vomp Carrots.

Now, the abilities I'm interested in learning are Gallop and Canter, mostly for racing when it is released. However, the eventual and most important goal is to get maxed out STR for riding speed via Chocobo Whistle. But to learn abilities, I know my chocobo needs some level of Discernment.

My main question is this:
Can I somehow increase my chocobo's Discernment, without decreasing it's Strength?
Ideas on care plans, food, and other miscellaneous bonuses would help a lot.

Cost is not an issue, and maxing out END is not as important to me as keeping STR up. Please, any and all suggestions.

[cbo (lilT20o0)]

get a chocobo card from someone with a chocobo who has abilities already and breed it, hope it inherits one of the abilities, then lv STR and END on it

[Inariya]

currently two options... both i have -not- tested just hypothesis

less likely/take more time: raise MND chocobos and hope that if you breed 2x chocos (each with 2 abilities) will yield a chick with 2 abilities. (honestly. can someone test this here? especially if a chocobo can have more than 2 abilities. inherit 1 + learn 2 => chick has 2?. someone send me a PM or post or something if you'd be interested in trying this out.)

more likely: raise Str/endurance to first class very quickly... then use "dig for treasure" tier III care plan so that it will only decrease endurance and not str. learn those abilities with Bit Deficient discernment. (canter has yet to be proven able to learn at that level still)


if you choose either of those, lemme know. i'm interested in zee results.

[AlrinKharr]

I'm planning to give this a try myself, my 43-day old Chocobo is at Outstanding Strength/Endurance currently. As soon as he hits First Class in both I'm going to put him on Dig for Treasure and try to teach him some abilities. I'll post the results here.

[ReinheartTitan]

Why not boost his Dis and Rec first and then after you get the abilities you want your chocobo to learn raise Str and End?

[Inariya]

ReinheartTitan :
Why not boost his Dis and Rec first and then after you get the abilities you want your chocobo to learn raise Str and End?

by the time you have all the stories- you're well into 30 days of raising... i'm pretty certain when i say.. you're screwed.

[ReinheartTitan]

Well since you can only learn 2 stories it wouldn't take long to get the 2 you want and even if you did go and get all the stories you can still raise your chocobo for a while as I hit day 100 on my black chocobo before I retired him.

[Inariya]

it's not about obtaining all the stories. it's about getting the stories you want/need.

happy chocobo- day 19 minimum
curious chocobo- day 29 minimum
the others (aside from lost chocobo) are dependent on the nation you raise in.

to get burrow and bore you'd have to wait till day 29+ to have both stories. for gallop can canter, day 29+ again. o.o

[ReinheartTitan]

Since Canter is gotten on the long walk from Brutus yes it would take 29+ days to get both stories (assuming he started in Sand'oria so it would be easier to get Gallop but by the time he does get the canter story he would be able to easily learn the story he gets then switch to Str and End. That still leaves at least 80-90 days to max out Str and End, since the final day to raise your chocobo is day 129.

[nezzi]

ReinheartTitan :
Since Canter is gotten on the long walk from Brutus yes it would take 29+ days to get both stories (assuming he started in Sand'oria so it would be easier to get Gallop but by the time he does get the canter story he would be able to easily learn the story he gets then switch to Str and End. That still leaves at least 80-90 days to max out Str and End, since the final day to raise your chocobo is day 129.

Yes, but raising stats slows down drastically well before that. I would say the end of 'effective' raising of stats is more like day 65.

Nez

[Inariya]

what he said. after you hit the effective stat-raising limit you'd dead in the water unless SE changes it.

(untested) ays to get around it:

1breed a choco with canter and raise chick to bit deficient in sanD. learn it there. then go physical stats.

2raise a chocobo to first class phys stats and then do "dig for treasure" very quickly to raise discernment and learn the two skills.

3unknown if chocos can inherit more than 1 stat.

[ReinheartTitan]

Meh SE knows how to ruin everything, those asses.

[Bonkerskitty]

I'm also trying out the possiblity of learning gallop and auto regen on my physical chocob once endurance hits First Class. I'll let you know. We are currently on day 47 and Just hit Outstanding STR/END. And since Digging for treasure only minorly decreases END while greatly increasing DISC according to SE's chart. I should be able to do it nad only but him back down to Outstanding. And If I'm lucky, after he learns them. I can get it back up to First Class. Seems like alot.

My chocobo has lvl'd out and is decent in daily activities. Basically, all I have to do is Feed him 1 Azouph green (and his affection goes from lvl7 to 8 ) and 1 vomp carrot, and he's completely full, from starving. I have him set on Carrying Packages everyday. I have been taking him on 2 short walks, to do that lost choco quests lately, and every other day we race. On the days we don't race, when I'm not trying to do that quest, I usually just let him be.

And like I mentioned on a previous forum. Not sure if it was jsut a fluke, but I didn't have to learn my choco stories over again. When this choco is done. I'll let you know if they remain. I'm gonna be raising a Red chocobo, Mental stats after this one.

Oh and I'd like to mention. It is possible to inherit 2 abilities from your parent chocobo. My friend Durst mated Mysty's green chocobo's. He now has a green chocobo with both burrow and canter.

[Mysty]

I'm also raising a red M right now with no abilitys currently and hes on day 28 at average STR and END. I'm going to try to teach him gallop and Canter once he reaches adulthood tomorrow switch him to dig for treasure for a few days and see if I get him up enough (a bit deficient DISC should be enough for racing abilitys) to learn these 2 storys. Then I will switch back to Deliver Messages to get his str up to first class. I dont really care about his endurance so if the dig for treasure only affects END I'll be golden. I'll let you know what the results are.

[Jeryhn]

Thanks Inariya, I can't believe I didn't spot the Dig for Treasure care plan. I will definitely try that.
To suppliment this, do you know of any Discernment-raising food that does not have an adverse effect on STR?

ReinheartTitan :
Why not boost his Dis and Rec first and then after you get the abilities you want your chocobo to learn raise Str and End?

Because from what I understand, at Day 19, there's a personality lock which may or may not effect the rate at which chocobos gain stats. Better safe than sorry, as getting STR to First Class is the absolute priority I have in raising this chocobo. So I started raising it's physical stats and it's been working well so far.

I also recall a sort of stat-lock when they reach a day somewhere in the 60s, and if I focus on mental stats without having already raised its physical ability, I might not be able to get to First Class STR.

Breeding chocobos for their abilities also does not really appeal to me. Its a time issue, and raising chocobos is already time consuming. The goal is to get First Class STR and END, then learn Gallop and Canter, and if its END isn't too bad, retire the chocobo so that its stats stay locked and it will be prime for breeding, riding and racing.

[panupat]

I guess it make sense about personality lock, I haven't thought about that.

My chocobo just reached 35 days age today and just learnt Canter. She learnt Gallop since she was a teen so now I'm set to switch to physical care plans. Should be plenty of time to make it to first class I hope ^^

But yea, her personality is sensitive and good with people. And I don't really like her big beak lol. We'll see if that matters.

[nezzi]

I just had a thought...
On my first (mental) chocobo, I got gallop and canter because, well, I just randomly read stories. Many of that chocobo's children had canter as an ability (I don't think any had gallop- and none had 2 abilities, even if the other parent also had abilities). So, it occurred to me that canter is the one that's harder to get (because of not getting the story until late in the chocobo's career). Unless it's true that you no longer lose your stories, it seems like if you raise it in Sandy where Gallop is the shortest one, you could raise it as mental just enough to get Gallop as a teen and then change (before your beak gets too big, etc.).
I might try to do that, but it will be a while before I can start. ;_;
Cheers
Nez

[Jeryhn]

By the way, I can confirm that you do lose any and all Story key items when you retire a chocobo.

However, something else interesting to note about chocobos and retirement. I completed the Chocobo Whistle quest on my previous chocobo, still have it's VCS Registration and the Plaque, and this new chocobo I'm raising that's the topic of discussion never got the "Crying at Night" effect, so I didn't need to do the side bit with the white handkerchief, and I expect, I won't have to re-quest for the Chocobo Whistle. When this new one hits day 29, I should be able to just register to ride him, saving me a lot of time and chocolixir that can be used for spamming stories later.

[panupat]

Yea you lose your story when you retire your chocobo.

I tried so hard to meet him during my long walks but I kept meeting the Galka stable master from Bastok over and over. Quite annoying.

[AlrinKharr]

Updating with my own progress on this.

Currently on Day 56. I switched my chocobo over to Dig For Treasure after his STR and END hit First-Class at day 46. At first everything went fairly smooth and I had Substandard Discernment at day 50. However, he has now failed Dig for Treasure on four consecutive days despite having maxed affection, and Discernement is still stuck at Substandard. Does this sort of thing typically happen when a physical chocobo is put on mental care plans or vice-versa? It just seems strange that he would suddenly fail so many times in a row. I'll update a little more on my progress in a few days.