[Aevis]

Sephi :
Also, to get that type of screenshot, heavy modification of the game's engine was required. I don't even think that screenshot is real. I've never seen that area before.

to quote korn, member of our ls who made this pic:

It was at Bearclaw Pinnacle, someone led us to the wrong place before Snoll BC and ended up there. Didn't even retouch the pic, just made it smaller.

and ffxi can look like that, here are two of mines:





ffxi is one of the best looking mmorpgs and that's kinda sad, because the engine is 5 years old. wow looksl like they tried to get into guiness book for using the most colors at once in every single place.

[Aikar]

Neenja :

Sephi :

FFXI requires smarts and patients

Wow.

Amazing, isn't it?

Anyway, to the OP - FFXI has far better graphics potential, but if you're playing a game based solely on the graphics, you don't have much reason to be playing an MMO in the first place.

I've recently taken a break from FFXI to play WoW, and I have to say that I'm enjoying it far more than I ever enjoyed this game. I've only got 2 level 29 characters on a non-PvP server, but from what I've seen so far, WoW has a far better leveling system. And, even better, you don't have to level if you don't feel like it. There's always something else to do, especially in the PvP battlegrounds. Getting into the spirit of the game is also a lot easier, whichever side you're on (Horde or Alliance), there's a good level of camaraderie. Also, because players don't have to spend all of their time doing A) Farming, Grinding, C) Camping, there are a large number of helpful high levels that can assist you if there's a problem creating a group at your own level.

Oh, and you don't have to spend all of your time staring at your wallet trying to figure out how to spend your money without running out - getting enough money to get by in WoW takes literally no effort whatsoever (you'll get that cash while earning exp). You only have to put work into it if you want the really nice stuff.

FFXI is a good game, but after 4 years I realized that only 1/4 of that was spent on being able to do things for fun or for myself. The rest was all just work so that I could get to the good parts. And beyond that, no matter how much of that work I put into the game, I never managed to ever earn all of the things I wanted, and probably never could. The straw that finally broke the camel's back though, was when I realized that I was leveling a new job to 75 (BRD), just so that I could have a chance at getting into a good endgame LS where I might start getting the gear that I'd always wanted.

To quote a friend of mine:
"FFXI is a lot like finding an arcade machine of a game you love, putting your money in, and discovering that the joystick doesn't respond to left input and half the buttons don't work. You may like the game and want to play it - but logically you're just wasting time and money. Though, if you'd gotten there sooner, you may have been playing on the one side that works... Even though you might be the better player, the other person has the advantage of getting there first and staying there all the time. The end result is that you can never beat them, but you can keep trying and watch this person slowly gain more and more advantages over you."

Going to have to bust your bubble and tell you your going to be bored as hell when you hit max level when the only thing you can do between raids is pvp or farm for raids.

FFXI players who are looking for a new game should look past WoW, and look at vanguard in like 2-3 months. Vg = our cup of tea, wow = wtf are you thinking type game.

VG Is released atm but I know 98% of the gaming population does not have the same love and patience as i do for a game, and the games buggy atm so wait about 2-3 months and come try vanguard. Any true FFXI player would much rather play this than WoW.

[Rakshas]

Rakshas :
World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, Vanguard, Warhammer online < Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures

AoC will blow all MMORPGs away ^_________________________________________^

[pathwriter]

The only place where I feel that WoW is actually graphically inferior to FFXI is when it comes to ability effects. There are no weaponskills, no fancy pre-rendered animations, and no particularly impressive ability animations. About the best you can hope for are the stunning uselessness of the old Holy Fire animation (I can't remember but I thought I read that it was changed?) and the vague amusement of watching your Rogue spin around when he uses a finisher.

Beyond that, though, WoW's graphics are far and away better than FFXI's, both out of the box and with serious tweaking. The difference comes in the art style. Most people see the exaggerated and cartoony style of WoW and equate it with low-quality, in spite of what the environments actually look like. There are no pre-rendered animations built on a 2D plane, there are precious few areas where environmental planes intersect with an awful white line, and the game handles exponentially more effects on-screen than FFXI could ever hope to do.

But, you know, turn up your MIP mapping and take a static screenshot that doesn't capture all of the glaring imperfections and limitations of the PS2 graphics engine and claim that it's better than WoW, please. They're both stunning games. The real question is actually why Square-Enix added so much detail to a game that is basically non-adjustable in the PS2 and barely customizable with the out-of-the-box configuration utility for the PC.

[irccaniboo]

[quote]Aevis :
It was at Bearclaw Pinnacle, someone led us to the wrong place before Snoll BC and ended up there. Didn't even retouch the pic, just made it smaller.[/quote]

and ffxi can look like that, here are two of mines:





ffxi is one of the best looking mmorpgs and that's kinda sad, because the engine is 5 years old. wow looksl like they tried to get into guiness book for using the most colors at once in every single place.
[/quote]


what settings are you using? your screenshots are so clear... and i have a nice computer playing at max resolution,
but i can never get screenshots like yours

i noticed you have a font mod also

[Voevod]

pathwriter :
The only place where I feel that WoW is actually graphically inferior to FFXI is when it comes to ability effects. There are no weaponskills, no fancy pre-rendered animations, and no particularly impressive ability animations. About the best you can hope for are the stunning uselessness of the old Holy Fire animation (I can't remember but I thought I read that it was changed?) and the vague amusement of watching your Rogue spin around when he uses a finisher.

Beyond that, though, WoW's graphics are far and away better than FFXI's, both out of the box and with serious tweaking. The difference comes in the art style. Most people see the exaggerated and cartoony style of WoW and equate it with low-quality, in spite of what the environments actually look like. There are no pre-rendered animations built on a 2D plane, there are precious few areas where environmental planes intersect with an awful white line, and the game handles exponentially more effects on-screen than FFXI could ever hope to do.

But, you know, turn up your MIP mapping and take a static screenshot that doesn't capture all of the glaring imperfections and limitations of the PS2 graphics engine and claim that it's better than WoW, please. They're both stunning games. The real question is actually why Square-Enix added so much detail to a game that is basically non-adjustable in the PS2 and barely customizable with the out-of-the-box configuration utility for the PC.

I'm not trying to insult you here but... OMFG you are a lost soul .... bwahahahahah

Maybe that's why you're a writer? O.o

Seriously ... Just look at the model pictures above that I posted in comparison. WOW is (at a glance even) using the lowest form of poly-count modelling in MMORPG's today. They are (guessing) using at most half the texture bit that FFXI uses as well (see the little tiny details? Didn't think ya could). Hence the big blocks of crazy obtrusive colors. I would love for you to call Blizzboys and ask them directly. They will tell you that "Yes" their engine uses lower everything in comparison to FFXI. It plays faster though. yay WOW for that.

Flame away ...

[Dragontamer]

[quote]irccaniboo :
[quote]Aevis :
It was at Bearclaw Pinnacle, someone led us to the wrong place before Snoll BC and ended up there. Didn't even retouch the pic, just made it smaller.[/quote]

and ffxi can look like that, here are two of mines:





ffxi is one of the best looking mmorpgs and that's kinda sad, because the engine is 5 years old. wow looksl like they tried to get into guiness book for using the most colors at once in every single place.
[/quote]


what settings are you using? your screenshots are so clear... and i have a nice computer playing at max resolution,
but i can never get screenshots like yours

i noticed you have a font mod also
[/quote]

Yah those are WAY clear. i use the radion 9150 as my graphics card i think.... not sure which one it is..... is urs better than mine or somthing?

[kcuF]

ok.... since i guess this is continuing... let us discuss what you have done first... posted a "WoW vs. FFXI" thread in on a FFXI website >_>. go to the al'qaeda, and ask who's better "Al'qaeda vs. America."

now that that's out of the way.

Lets look at the numbers... FFXI has trouble keeping more than a million people playing, WoW has no problem keeping 8 million plus playing.

FFXI is more aesthetic when it comes to graphics, i can admit that WoW's graphics are inferior, it BLEEDs color , i did enjoy FFXI's subtlety.

Next... combat engine. FFXI = 6-18 robots with 4 abilities each attacking a single target for sometimes 8 hours or more.

WoW= 1 person with tons of abilities can solo (shit, i can take 2 mobs my level np, can you do that in FFXI post Lv. 10?). Or you can do the 40 man raids (woo, fun). and you can fucking move and JUMP as you like in WoW >_>, and you have mounts... fuck a chocobo you can summon 1 time every 2 days, i'll whip out my fucking giant black war wolf. MOTHER FUCKING PVP!!!!! omfg i have never enjoyed PvP so much, in FFXI if you're not a RDM or WHM, try taking out more than 2 people without getting butt fucked. in WoW, i've taken out 3 people... at one time that were my level (horde always win). Also, in FFXI RDM and BLU Win- End or story. I remember my mnk (PCC, Shura Togi, Shura Haidate +1 etc etc fucking crazy) Pumping a buffed RDM for 100 damage on Asuran fists. In WoW- No job prevails, everyone has its weaknesses, and they can be exploited.

FFXI was made with "PT ONRY!" in mind, while WoW was "hmmm... we're gonna make instances where multiple jobs can and will be used for whatever, but we are also gonna be PvP"

Also, the depth thing is what FFXI is all about right? those 4 Huge linear stories (CoP, ToAU, Rank Missions, ZM). What no one, or the masses don't tend to notice is the extreme amount of lore behind WoW, the Story is huge, no one just cares to notice.

And also- RMT, the bane of existance to FFXI players. In WoW: "RMT- Who gives a fuck."

The other thing i saw someone mention- something about day to day play with WoW was great, but FFXI lasts much longer. Know why? Because SE made the game with this in mind, everything takes for fucking ever. Waiting on an airship, ten minutes, RUNNING to the dunes omfg... oh... forgot your food? better head back to san d'oria, ok you run back, now you got your food, wanna pt? oh... wait time..... hmm i think jeapardy's on. YAY got pt.... lets fight a mob! now you engage in what seems to be a mix of an angry orgy and clusterfuck for 8 minutes taking out one fucking lizard... ALL RIGHT!

Speaking of- That lizard you're fighting at level 10... get use to seeing his ugly face, you'll be fighting that same fucking thing for the next 50+ levels. maybe it's a different name, and different HP and DEF. but trust me, it's the exact... same... fucking... lizard.

Another thing about the Graphics- FFXI May be superior up close, but look at how far you can see in WoW, and when you can no longer see, it's not like it randomly disappears >_> like... oh... where'd that moutain pop up from? but it fades in more or less seamlessly. And, it's not like FFXI is generating new content when they give you new gear, they just have an official .dat making team, and they give the same armor you've been wearing sense level 7 some cool new colors. WOO!

And the Pre-rendered abilities path told us about (path, i mean no disrespect to you, you're probably one of the people i have most respect for in these forums), yes, the abilities do look kool, but... look at how they're carried out... they're all that same character animation- The one that looks like they're trying to pinch off a log (especially mithra). on the occasion you'll get one where they swap the Black Magic animation with the "log pinching animation" for a 2 hr (Manafont), or same thing but instead of black magic they use White Magic (the defense abilities like Arcane/Holy Circle).

[irccaniboo]

mmmm miss jumping off of buildings and shape shifting into a cheetah on the way down..

dont forget wow is still fairly new, only have 1 expansion out but they are trying to make the
game last longer for players like ffxi by changing the level cap to 70, adding new crafts that are
difficult to skillup, etc.

after 3 expansions like ffxi, im sure wow end game will not be so rediculously easy to get to..

[Dragontamer]

kcuF :
ok.... since i guess this is continuing... let us discuss what you have done first... posted a "WoW vs. FFXI" thread in on a FFXI website >_>. go to the al'qaeda, and ask who's better "Al'qaeda vs. America."

now that that's out of the way.

Lets look at the numbers... FFXI has trouble keeping more than a million people playing, WoW has no problem keeping 8 million plus playing.

FFXI is more aesthetic when it comes to graphics, i can admit that WoW's graphics are inferior, it BLEEDs color , i did enjoy FFXI's subtlety.

Next... combat engine. FFXI = 6-18 robots with 4 abilities each attacking a single target for sometimes 8 hours or more.

WoW= 1 person with tons of abilities can solo (shit, i can take 2 mobs my level np, can you do that in FFXI post Lv. 10?). Or you can do the 40 man raids (woo, fun). and you can fucking move and JUMP as you like in WoW >_>, and you have mounts... fuck a chocobo you can summon 1 time every 2 days, i'll whip out my fucking giant black war wolf. MOTHER FUCKING PVP!!!!! omfg i have never enjoyed PvP so much, in FFXI if you're not a RDM or WHM, try taking out more than 2 people without getting butt fucked. in WoW, i've taken out 3 people... at one time that were my level (horde always win). Also, in FFXI RDM and BLU Win- End or story. I remember my mnk (PCC, Shura Togi, Shura Haidate +1 etc etc fucking crazy) Pumping a buffed RDM for 100 damage on Asuran fists. In WoW- No job prevails, everyone has its weaknesses, and they can be exploited.

FFXI was made with "PT ONRY!" in mind, while WoW was "hmmm... we're gonna make instances where multiple jobs can and will be used for whatever, but we are also gonna be PvP"

Also, the depth thing is what FFXI is all about right? those 4 Huge linear stories (CoP, ToAU, Rank Missions, ZM). What no one, or the masses don't tend to notice is the extreme amount of lore behind WoW, the Story is huge, no one just cares to notice.

And also- RMT, the bane of existance to FFXI players. In WoW: "RMT- Who gives a fuck."

The other thing i saw someone mention- something about day to day play with WoW was great, but FFXI lasts much longer. Know why? Because SE made the game with this in mind, everything takes for fucking ever. Waiting on an airship, ten minutes, RUNNING to the dunes omfg... oh... forgot your food? better head back to san d'oria, ok you run back, now you got your food, wanna pt? oh... wait time..... hmm i think jeapardy's on. YAY got pt.... lets fight a mob! now you engage in what seems to be a mix of an angry orgy and clusterfuck for 8 minutes taking out one fucking lizard... ALL RIGHT!

Speaking of- That lizard you're fighting at level 10... get use to seeing his ugly face, you'll be fighting that same fucking thing for the next 50+ levels. maybe it's a different name, and different HP and DEF. but trust me, it's the exact... same... fucking... lizard.

Another thing about the Graphics- FFXI May be superior up close, but look at how far you can see in WoW, and when you can no longer see, it's not like it randomly disappears >_> like... oh... where'd that moutain pop up from? but it fades in more or less seamlessly. And, it's not like FFXI is generating new content when they give you new gear, they just have an official .dat making team, and they give the same armor you've been wearing sense level 7 some cool new colors. WOO!

And the Pre-rendered abilities path told us about (path, i mean no disrespect to you, you're probably one of the people i have most respect for in these forums), yes, the abilities do look kool, but... look at how they're carried out... they're all that same character animation- The one that looks like they're trying to pinch off a log (especially mithra). on the occasion you'll get one where they swap the Black Magic animation with the "log pinching animation" for a 2 hr (Manafont), or same thing but instead of black magic they use White Magic (the defense abilities like Arcane/Holy Circle).

well does wow charge 13 bucks a month??? yes i know that some things in ffxi are quite plain but that does not change the fact that it is infact a well made game. with all the jobs and diferent places and skills and items and things i belive that ffxi beats wow. end of story.

[Sephi]

End of YOUR story. :dozingoff

[Rakshas]

Rakshas :

Rakshas :
World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, Vanguard, Warhammer online < Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures

AoC will blow all MMORPGs away ^_________________________________________^

You speak truth

[Icywave]

Self Quoting, FFXI betraying Rakshas bastard ?!















(Miss McDonald chain # 2, take that !)

[Alexw]

Icywave :
Self Quoting, FFXI betraying Rakshas bastard ?!















(Miss McDonald chain # 2, take that !)

You've used that picture to death now (

[Wodahsoguh]

WoW has an endgame? WoW's endgame is instances and a few rare spawns rly. I don't see much of an endgame in it (though I'm only 48 right now, but I average 1-2 levels a day). Still, that's better than FFXI's endgame which consists of staring at darters for an hour and seeing whose bot is better.

[Aevis]

Dragontamer :
Yah those are WAY clear. i use the radion 9150 as my graphics card i think.... not sure which one it is..... is urs better than mine or somthing?

ffxi on pc is emulating a ps2. graka means nothing, everything goes on cpu. tweak your registry and your game looks like this. it's not like i use those settings all the time. dyna is instant death to my cpu with that.

wow is better, ffxi is better....whatever. what i don't get is, how people forget that ffxi engine is 5 years older and still looking good. that was my biggest disapointment when i first played wow. it looks ok but come on, should be able to look way better than a tweaked 5 years older engine.

anyone knows an announced mmorpg with over-the-top graphics?

one funny thing about that huge ano/wow-pro post: 40 man raids? we have 700 man besieged

[Kaikaitos]

only besieged sucks ass

[Aya]

Aevis :

Dragontamer :
Yah those are WAY clear. i use the radion 9150 as my graphics card i think.... not sure which one it is..... is urs better than mine or somthing?

ffxi on pc is emulating a ps2. graka means nothing, everything goes on cpu. tweak your registry and your game looks like this. it's not like i use those settings all the time. dyna is instant death to my cpu with that.

wow is better, ffxi is better....whatever. what i don't get is, how people forget that ffxi engine is 5 years older and still looking good. that was my biggest disapointment when i first played wow. it looks ok but come on, should be able to look way better than a tweaked 5 years older engine.

anyone knows an announced mmorpg with over-the-top graphics?

one funny thing about that huge ano/wow-pro post: 40 man raids? we have 700 man besieged

You forgot how even dynamis can have up to 64 people >.>

[Rakshas]

Aevis :
anyone knows an announced mmorpg with over-the-top graphics?

Rakshas :

Rakshas :
World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, Vanguard, Warhammer online < Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures

AoC will blow all MMORPGs away ^_________________________________________^

Read my fucking quotes

[Dragontamer]

wtf is age of conan anyways????