[Janis]

I dn't know if ne one else has been getting this as of late but i have been hearing constantly about how blms suck after 50. I personally don't believe it's true but it's starting to aggravate me when people in my new ls go off on these little tangents about how blms suck they get resisted or how they're drk can do 700 damage and then get it all back with drain. I dunno I'm really just venting but I get defensive when people start dissing my main job. My other favorite new thing i hear alot is how the blm doesn't factor into the pulling situation cuz his mp doesn't count. Yeah so let me know if any of you other blms out there are running into this stupid uneducated hate.

[Dahin]

I have talked to many high lvl blm about this and they all said that they do more dmg than anybody but rng

[Rensei Ryo]

Damage is fine and good... but what really matters is having fun with your job. Im sure Black Mage and Ranger will out damage me any day but theyre just not my kind of jobs. Samurai is normally my job preferance as well. I just have more fun as a Monk.

Ending statement: Do what you enjoy, to hell with what people say.

[Ashria]

blm can do 1000+ dmg... dont believe those ppl who have no clue about anything.

drk 700dmg? yea on too-weak maybe. even with guillitine after drk60 i still dont see 700 on anything over easy prey.

[Discordian]

I look for 3/5 MP on the third chain because by the time the puller gets back they have 4/5 mp.

[Veritech]

it's not that blms suck after lvl 50, it's just that there are jobs that are finally developing into good damage dealers. i pt with rangers and darks all the time that out do me in damage. but they generally do their damage in waves, spells dish out a bit less damage but at a more consistent rate. it's not about how much damage you deal to the enemy in one blow, it's how much you deal throughout the whole fight. drk i just pt'd with did some wicked combo for about 500 dmg to a exoray, after that, he missed about 60% of his regular swings, and when they did hit, it would do damage in the 80-100 range. so i tallied up his damage in the log, 1100. my tally, 1250 from blizzard IIs. next battle, he can't do his little combo damage cuz he has to wait for the refresh timer. 1250 again from me, 880 from him. he could only do his combo after about 4 or so fights.

if i was so concerned with one time damage, i would just cast freeze on the mofo.

[Caladan]

what what what!!!! .. they get Ancient Magic 50+ , very mean magic burst with thoses.

[Erasmus]

Ancient magic MB isnt worth it still unless the melees are having problems doing good dmg. Cheaper and more dmg to burst waterga2 2x. Still more dmg and less mp for bliz2 3x if you have a sam. Anyway, im 52 now and i still get an invite seeking or not within 20 minutes... usually immediately. You mainly fight beetles and crabs from 50 on into the 60s. Melles dont do too much to th em especially if you dont have dispel in the pt ( bard-finale or redmage-dispel). However alot of people get the impression we suck because they invite a 50-51 blm to a 53-55 pt and expect em to do alot of dmg. We cant.. we will get resisted like hell. But put us in say an all 52-53 pt... we will own. And as far a blm and rangers go... WE do roughly the same dmg. Dont believe me? Hates calculated the same for everyone Ranger can do more dmg in 1 hit tho hands down with sidewinder. But noone.. and I mean NOONE can outdamage a PISSED OFF blm. If we unload we leave every job in the dust easy.... but then we die

[Gilthanos]

Not worth it? Just the other day I had a group where we used penta thrust (400+) and some samurai WS which did another 200+ then we used freeze which did average 1100 damage. I'd say it was worth it. Water II only did abotu 400. I'd say it is worth it.

[TweeK]

Not worth it? Just the other day I had a group where we used penta thrust (400+) and some samurai WS which did another 200+ then we used freeze which did average 1100 damage. I'd say it was worth it. Water II only did abotu 400. I'd say it is worth it.

did you also take into consideration the MP used on the spell and the time to cast it [which could've been used to cast more spells]? ^^;

[Gilthanos]

Yeah I did...but if you have a RDM like I usually do in my group, that really does not matter much. Sides...the mob is usually dead after this combo attack anyway.

[Janis]

Aight thx all i love playing as blm why i'm a taru i was just really tired of hearing people diss my job i'm happy to see that it's really just more stupid people on odin then nething else.

[Mimithia]

I would say that the main thing is how you feel about it - my problem has been the two blackmages in my static getting tired of the job which really sucked (now everyone is levelling up noob jobs and I am back in stupid Valkrum) so if you love it stick with it!

I must say when we did have our two blm, rdm, myself and a war and drg to skillchain it was madness (double ancient burst would do in prettty much any mob - just too bad we don't have pld but that does make things interesting to say the least ;-P).

[Irecinius]

OK.. Blms are very good.. still.. but Rngs will outdamage us any time.. and a tag team RNG, THF will be alot more then any two melees and a blm...
(good rangers with + accuracy are just dirty cheap to get TP.. ask any of them.. why they don't use theirs WS at 100pct..)

now.. numbers don't mean jack!!! 1100 freeze mb = nothing.. welll..mean LOTS OF HATE... and i know 60pct of the tanks will take some time to get the agro back... think as a benediction.. we going to get ours arses pounded.. if the monster is mean.. we're history... now.. you have a sam.. and can do 2 scs per fight.. (not something out of the ordinary) ALL 3 spells do 450+ damage... so .. 2 mbs = 900 damage.. and the other casts... mana cost.. lot more efficient... hate generate.. same.. tho over time.. giving time for the tank to compensate...

I still get invites.. but we're not the first choice of caster...
RDM > WHM > US... (sad huh?)

and for the

I must say when we did have our two blm, rdm, myself and a war and drg to skillchain it was madness (double ancient burst would do in prettty much any mob - just too bad we don't have pld but that does make things interesting to say the least ;-P).

you know.. cast Divine Seal + C5 on the tank right after a Skill chain.. see if you still think its interesting!!!
i love when whms use benediction... its a rush! for me..

[Obilisk]

dont feel Bad, BLMs ROCK!

[Taga]

Irecinius :
OK.. Blms are very good.. still.. but Rngs will outdamage us any time.. and a tag team RNG, THF will be alot more then any two melees and a blm...
(good rangers with + accuracy are just dirty cheap to get TP.. ask any of them.. why they don't use theirs WS at 100pct..)

now.. numbers don't mean jack!!! 1100 freeze mb = nothing.. welll..mean LOTS OF HATE... and i know 60pct of the tanks will take some time to get the agro back... think as a benediction.. we going to get ours arses pounded.. if the monster is mean.. we're history... now.. you have a sam.. and can do 2 scs per fight.. (not something out of the ordinary) ALL 3 spells do 450+ damage... so .. 2 mbs = 900 damage.. and the other casts... mana cost.. lot more efficient... hate generate.. same.. tho over time.. giving time for the tank to compensate...

I still get invites.. but we're not the first choice of caster...
RDM > WHM > US... (sad huh?)

and for the

I must say when we did have our two blm, rdm, myself and a war and drg to skillchain it was madness (double ancient burst would do in prettty much any mob - just too bad we don't have pld but that does make things interesting to say the least ;-P).

you know.. cast Divine Seal + C5 on the tank right after a Skill chain.. see if you still think its interesting!!!
i love when whms use benediction... its a rush! for me..

I can out damage a ranger at anytime I want because I can get more hate with -11 enmity than ranger with -0 enmity. I'm guessing since you are a hume you might do less damage *shrug*. I can end a fight with 400 mp (out of 900) and still have more hate than the RNG, PLD, WAR, etc.

It all might be because I'm obsessed with getting the best equipment so my spells do a lot more damage . right now I have

Full AF
fey wand - int + 7 mp drain
worthless shield for looks
morion tathlum - int + 1 mp + 3
moldavite earring (rare/ex) - "Magic attack bonus + 5"
bat earring - mp+6 (need 20k more for the phantom earring)
zircon ring - int + 3
peace ring - converts 10HP to 10MP Enmity -1
shamans belt - int+1 mp+5
red cape + 1 - MND+3 INT+3

With food I have +23 int on top of my 73 base int plus I have about 50 extra damage per spell with moldavite... not to mention I have 900 mp to play around with..

bottom line: we can do more damage then rng, just depends on your race and equip. (i usually party with a mithra RNG that uses the best +1 bow and scorpion arrows btw)