[Liquid_snake005]

I just read the official update on playonline and it says NOTHING about updating Summoners mp cost and drain or making us stronger. All it says is a new avatar quest has been added. this is BS and is unfair to all who worked hard to become Summoners in the first place. So i guess it will leave us powerless and remain SUPPORT buffers and Cure TANKS. how fun ((((((((((((

[starfire]

... So don't be a buffer or healer. Just whip out that summon and beat stuff up. You might have some longer downtime(for yourself) but just play to have fun.

Note: I can't play so I might now know what I'm talking about. See sig for details.

[Discordian]

You have a pet to do things for you. You can have a summon beating something up while healing. This is a reality about your job. Look into ninja and rdm and some people didn't know that before they went into it. Its not bad. At least you got something new. Everyone else didn't.

[Smurv]

if you have avatars other than beaver then it's well worth casting the group buffs... 100 mp for you get:

garuda:
hastega(or 40mp a shot on each tank, usually 3 tanks so 120 mp+ there's a delay casting it on each tank waiting for recast timer if you let rdm or whm haste htem.)

blinkga... same as haste except most tanks can't cast it with exception of ninja

lightning guy, forget name..
entunderga , great when fighting crabs(is there a level where you don't have the option of fighting crabs?)

titan:
stoneskinga



list goes on, imo smn is fine as it is.... it's well worth the MP to cast the buffs and just rest in between casts, i don't see why you're complaining about the mp costs.. you easily have 200-300 or more mana than most casters your level probably with a bard+ rdm(acting as main healer) in your group and you acting as group buffer helping heal when you have to you shouldnt have any mp problems. group i run with usually is smn(who has every smn, or whm if smn can't play)/bard/me + pld(or nin )to main tank / thf / drg(or sam)

[Astra]

the only things i can say to Smurv is how do you not know Ramuh... heh... hasnt he been in EVERY SINGLE FF SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME?? ... just a question i guess rofl

[Smurv]

ever have a brain fart and have something on the tip of the tounge you think you should know?

[Liquid_snake005]

no you guys must not understand. In a battle in the 50+ levels IF you keep an Avatar out and heal at the same time by the end of the fight you HAVE NO MP! KNOWONES party wants to what for you to regain 1000+ MP after every fight. PLUS the damage Avatars do is not worth leaving them out. AVATARS DAMAGE= CRAP

[Discordian]

Ever seen a redmage burn all of their MP just about every fight? Thats what I've been doing for many levels. I start resting early so that I'm already gaining MP before the fight is done.

[Liquid_snake005]

Discordian :
Ever seen a redmage burn all of their MP just about every fight? Thats what I've been doing for many levels. I start resting early so that I'm already gaining MP before the fight is done.

RED MAGE HAS CONVERT, thats wanna the dumbest things i ever heard!!!!!! yes red mages burn a lot of mp but convert gives it back at the cost of HP which you can use a cure 4 and get a lot of your HP back from. OH AND YOU DONT HAVE 1000+ mp, try to rest and get that back even with refresh before the next fight AFter you just left your avatar out to fight. you must not have ever played summoner at higher levels so you really dont know so...... : p

[Liquid_snake005]

starfire :
... So don't be a buffer or healer. Just whip out that summon and beat stuff up. You might have some longer downtime(for yourself) but just play to have fun.

Note: I can't play so I might now know what I'm talking about. See sig for details.

im level 60, there is no party in AMERICA that would invite me to watch my avatar do crap damage while out and not yell at me and eventually boot me, come on now smart guy, its a party based game, THAT means you must have something to offer to a group worth being in the group, so buffing and healing our the only things that a Summoner has good to offer. Would you like to try being in a party WHIPPING your avatar out lol, and let it fight???lets see how long before your KICKED from the group

[Tamashii]

Liquid_snake005 :

Discordian :
Ever seen a redmage burn all of their MP just about every fight? Thats what I've been doing for many levels. I start resting early so that I'm already gaining MP before the fight is done.

RED MAGE HAS CONVERT, thats wanna the dumbest things i ever heard!!!!!! yes red mages burn a lot of mp but convert gives it back at the cost of HP which you can use a cure 4 and get a lot of your HP back from. OH AND YOU DONT HAVE 1000+ mp, try to rest and get that back even with refresh before the next fight AFter you just left your avatar out to fight. you must not have ever played summoner at higher levels so you really dont know so...... : p

convert can be used only every 10 minutes. its not easy for a red mage to cast refresh, haste, and spells on a monster all while trying to maintain mp.

[Discordian]

Liquid_snake005 :

Discordian :
Ever seen a redmage burn all of their MP just about every fight? Thats what I've been doing for many levels. I start resting early so that I'm already gaining MP before the fight is done.

RED MAGE HAS CONVERT, thats wanna the dumbest things i ever heard!!!!!! yes red mages burn a lot of mp but convert gives it back at the cost of HP which you can use a cure 4 and get a lot of your HP back from. OH AND YOU DONT HAVE 1000+ mp, try to rest and get that back even with refresh before the next fight AFter you just left your avatar out to fight. you must not have ever played summoner at higher levels so you really dont know so...... : p

Don't use convert to keep chains going. Its every 10 minutes and when something goes horribly horribly wrong and you need that extra 470mp you don't have it if you try to keep chains alive with this. It just doesn't work well when you get a link or an add and have no MP to damage controll/sleep.

You're right I don't know about your MP problem except that I'd consider getting a pet redmage for refresh, drink refresh effect food and maybe get a bard to cast ballad 1 or 2 on you. Thats a lot of MP return. I won't tell you how to do your job since I'm not a summoner and won't even try untill level 65+.

[Liquid_snake005]

well even though convert is every 10 mins, a red mages mp is not even as close to as high as a Summoners so when you lose all mp the time it takes when rested to get back is like 25% the time it takes a high Level summoner to get back his MP, and if a summoner could use convert every 10 mins that would help a summoner a lot, Red mages cast refresh on me but it still takes long for mp to raise up

[Smurv]

Liquid_snake005 :
no you guys must not understand. In a battle in the 50+ levels IF you keep an Avatar out and heal at the same time by the end of the fight you HAVE NO MP! KNOWONES party wants to what for you to regain 1000+ MP after every fight. PLUS the damage Avatars do is not worth leaving them out. AVATARS DAMAGE= CRAP

that's why u pop him out, do the buff, and drop him, all in like a 5-10 second period, then rest, backup heal.. and when u can cast your next buff pop out the corresponding summon etc.. that's how the smn i group with always plays, at start of fight he does hastega, cancels garuda. and sits down while i main heal, he gets up and backup heals if he has to.

OH AND YOU DONT HAVE 1000+ mp, try to rest and get that back even with refresh before the next fight AFter you just left your avatar out to fight.

don't leave your avatar out, what i explained above works good:P but again you're a 60 smn right? so you must have experience doing that sort of thing... and at my level,53, right now taru smn has just under or around 900mp.. and i have 702 mp, both of us taru... that's not a HUGE diff, and also the more MP you have the more you get back per tick while resting, so having more mp is kinda to your advantage, if you have ballad2 + refresh on you all the time stacked with your own refresh food + smn refresh... you shouldnt be having any mp problems.

[Liquid_snake005]

SORRY discordian for the negative comment, im really a nice guy but im just fustrated and upset about my job, I worked so hard and my payoff seems so small. sorry again

[Liquid_snake005]

its very rare smurv to have a red mage and bard in the party, on ramuh bards are rare, i could only wish for ballad2 and refresh at the same time, that would be cool

[Discordian]

I already shrugged it off to frustration on your side. Shoulda seen me when I was playing a rdm in Quifm and everyone thought I was a whitemage with a sword. 10 levels there and 8 of those I wanted to quit.

[Liquid_snake005]

oh and i dont leave my avatar out in battle, I buff and heal, i was just using an example to explain why leaving avatars out doesnt work, sorry for the confusion

[Smurv]

Liquid_snake005 :
its very rare smurv to have a red mage and bard in the party, on ramuh bards are rare, i could only wish for ballad2 and refresh at the same time, that would be cool

guess i'm spoiled, about 90% of the time i group w/ a bard heh.

[Smurv]

Discordian :
I already shrugged it off to frustration on your side. Shoulda seen me when I was playing a rdm in Quifm and everyone thought I was a whitemage with a sword. 10 levels there and 8 of those I wanted to quit.

U SPENT 10 LEVELS IN QUIFIM? i got out of there at like 26 .. couldnt stand it

btw you just made this baby cry: