Went in with 14
Rossweisse's Chamber
20 Sjokrakjen (Krakens)
1 Hakenmann (Orobon) Mega-Boss
We cleared about 15 of the Krakens, we pulled Tiger and slept it but it depopped like a minute later. =/
Einherjar Experience
#162
Posted 12 June 2007 - 08:11 PM
Went in with 32.
I can't describe how much I love SE. Not because we won. Far from it. Because they just added the funniest event in the game.
Theres something about idiots running around, trying to sleep Chigoes, aggroing elephants, that's just hilarious. I don't mind the 5000 xp loss from the multiple deaths. I just love how funny it is to see a known scammer running from 28 chigoes yelling for help.
I can't describe how much I love SE. Not because we won. Far from it. Because they just added the funniest event in the game.
Theres something about idiots running around, trying to sleep Chigoes, aggroing elephants, that's just hilarious. I don't mind the 5000 xp loss from the multiple deaths. I just love how funny it is to see a known scammer running from 28 chigoes yelling for help.
#163
Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:28 PM
Have gone in three times with my linkshell now.
First time (June 5):
-Rossweisse's Chamber
-12 members total entered
-Skeletons + Manticore with tiger running around the zone.
-Skeletons link and we all wipe twice to the skeletons and run out of time.
-Killed nothing.
Second time (June 8 ):
-Grimgerde's Chamber
-21 members total entered
-Ghosts + Buffalo; bird appeared after a short time
-Ghosts linked, we used bards for crowd control, but eventually wiped to the ghosts. We later tried pulling the boss after RR and wiped again.
-We killed one ghost, plus the random bird. Received no messages after killing the bird.
Third time (June 12):
-Seigrune's Chamber
-22 members total entered
-Dark Elementals + Marid; tiger appeared after a short time
-Dark Elementals linked, tried to do crowd control again while we split into smaller groups to fight more of them at once. We wiped.
-Did not kill anything. The tiger appeared and we slept it after our 1st wipe and it depopped giving us a message that the shadows were restless. Afterwards, we tried pulling the marid and ended up wiping after draw-in caused us to also aggro the elementals again.
Seriously, Einherjar is just stupid. You may as well not even TRY it unless you've got at least 30 people for any hope of winning. Even then, the humongous number of mobs that link onto you is retarded. My linkshell isn't going to be doing this again in the future for a while. We can't seem to get 30+ people to show up for this stupid battlefield.
Screw Einherjar. I think it's broken that you can't go in with 20 and make even a small dent. At least with Dynamis we can farm areas with 20/64 members, and even clear the mega-boss in the cities.
First time (June 5):
-Rossweisse's Chamber
-12 members total entered
-Skeletons + Manticore with tiger running around the zone.
-Skeletons link and we all wipe twice to the skeletons and run out of time.
-Killed nothing.
Second time (June 8 ):
-Grimgerde's Chamber
-21 members total entered
-Ghosts + Buffalo; bird appeared after a short time
-Ghosts linked, we used bards for crowd control, but eventually wiped to the ghosts. We later tried pulling the boss after RR and wiped again.
-We killed one ghost, plus the random bird. Received no messages after killing the bird.
Third time (June 12):
-Seigrune's Chamber
-22 members total entered
-Dark Elementals + Marid; tiger appeared after a short time
-Dark Elementals linked, tried to do crowd control again while we split into smaller groups to fight more of them at once. We wiped.
-Did not kill anything. The tiger appeared and we slept it after our 1st wipe and it depopped giving us a message that the shadows were restless. Afterwards, we tried pulling the marid and ended up wiping after draw-in caused us to also aggro the elementals again.
Seriously, Einherjar is just stupid. You may as well not even TRY it unless you've got at least 30 people for any hope of winning. Even then, the humongous number of mobs that link onto you is retarded. My linkshell isn't going to be doing this again in the future for a while. We can't seem to get 30+ people to show up for this stupid battlefield.
Screw Einherjar. I think it's broken that you can't go in with 20 and make even a small dent. At least with Dynamis we can farm areas with 20/64 members, and even clear the mega-boss in the cities.
#164
Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:40 PM
Seriously, Einherjar is just stupid.
My LS was able to kill an entire set of monsters with 16. We ran into trouble on bats because we didn't have a BRD, and they are hard to sleep with BLM. Einherjar is not broken, you just need the right configuration and the right strategy for it. If you went in there thinking "big Dynamis pull" you are bound for failure. That isn't Einherjar that's broken.
Now if you are complaining about some of the boss fights... like Marid... maybe that's a little more justified.
#165
Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:52 PM
Went in with 28.
12 Undead Hounds.
-BLMs and RDMs spammed Sleepga, 100% resisted
-Shiva's Sleepga worked well actually since it's Ice based.
-BRDs were able to sleep with lullaby, but died fast.
-Hounds weren't particularly strong, they went down in about 20-30 seconds each.
-Massive deaths due to poor crowd control and BRDs dying.
1 Marid Boss
-Hits PLDs for 180+
-Each TP move spawns 4~ Chigoes who have auto-hundred fists and blood weapon.
-Chigoes have 500~ HP, one WS will kill it
We had DDs kill chigoes as BLM and SMN spam nukes and blood pacts on the Marid.
-Marid has 80,000+ HP, every so often he'd use a TP move called Proboscis Shower that healed for 5-7k HP.
With Berserk+Meat, I was hitting him for 30-40, 200 wheeling thrusts, the WAR next to me was doign 400 SA Steel Cyclones on the Boss.
We got it to 90% but it used Proboscis Shower and went back up to 98%...then we ran out of time.
~No drops.
12 Undead Hounds.
-BLMs and RDMs spammed Sleepga, 100% resisted
-Shiva's Sleepga worked well actually since it's Ice based.
-BRDs were able to sleep with lullaby, but died fast.
-Hounds weren't particularly strong, they went down in about 20-30 seconds each.
-Massive deaths due to poor crowd control and BRDs dying.
1 Marid Boss
-Hits PLDs for 180+
-Each TP move spawns 4~ Chigoes who have auto-hundred fists and blood weapon.
-Chigoes have 500~ HP, one WS will kill it
We had DDs kill chigoes as BLM and SMN spam nukes and blood pacts on the Marid.
-Marid has 80,000+ HP, every so often he'd use a TP move called Proboscis Shower that healed for 5-7k HP.
With Berserk+Meat, I was hitting him for 30-40, 200 wheeling thrusts, the WAR next to me was doign 400 SA Steel Cyclones on the Boss.
We got it to 90% but it used Proboscis Shower and went back up to 98%...then we ran out of time.
~No drops.
#167
Posted 12 June 2007 - 11:21 PM
DogCollector :
My LS was able to kill an entire set of monsters with 16. We ran into trouble on bats because we didn't have a BRD, and they are hard to sleep with BLM. Einherjar is not broken, you just need the right configuration and the right strategy for it. If you went in there thinking "big Dynamis pull" you are bound for failure. That isn't Einherjar that's broken.
Now if you are complaining about some of the boss fights... like Marid... maybe that's a little more justified.
IMHO, you were more lucky than smart. Which spawns you get and how many you get seems to overshadow strategy on Einherjar. That's a real shame, because I hate events where it's more luck than strategy.
Seriously, Einherjar is just stupid.
My LS was able to kill an entire set of monsters with 16. We ran into trouble on bats because we didn't have a BRD, and they are hard to sleep with BLM. Einherjar is not broken, you just need the right configuration and the right strategy for it. If you went in there thinking "big Dynamis pull" you are bound for failure. That isn't Einherjar that's broken.
Now if you are complaining about some of the boss fights... like Marid... maybe that's a little more justified.
There seem to be two basic "strategies" for Einherjar: bring a lot of bards, bring a lot of blms. No one really does anything special. BRDs sleep. BLMs stun and nuke. This is an oversimplication, but it's what things seem to boil down to at present. If your shell has enough with those jobs available, you can do well. If you don't, your chance of just dying is near certain.
If you're lucky, you get a low critter count, multiple critter types (thus all don't come at once), and a manageable boss. If you're not, you get 24 of a single hard-to-sleep critter along with the Marid boss. Waaaaay too much variance there on difficulty, imho. You could keep sacrificing 180k and mules to get a good chamber, but that's hardly what I'd call "viable strategy". It's more like a "clever exploit for a poor design."
#168
Posted 14 June 2007 - 12:20 PM
So far my LS has done 3 runs. I wasnt online for the first but we wiped on the boss I think. However, the last 2 runs we won. On Sat with 33ish ppl we got skeles + another mob cant remember which(bats maybe?). There were at least 12-15 skeles. Key here is brd sleep. We had 5-6 brds who kept them slept pretty well. Our setup was almost like 3 sets of burn pts. (2x brd + 3 melee + healer)x3, then a blm and main tank pt. Each individual pt had a targeter and each pt killed a skele from that targeter. A couple deaths but worked out pretty well. The boss was the wivre who, although had a ton of HP, went down pretty easy. Shitty wivre synth drops.
Last night we did it again and went in with around 25ish people. We got real lucky as the only mobs were like 7 doom toads. The boss was the Malboro. We tried zerging it but it was spamming sweet breath/bad breath. Poison pots are a MUST for this boss. At like 30% hp we tried disengaging to rest mp but it kept spamming TP moves. It must have auto TP imo. Because we couldnt really rest due to spamage we decided to just do one final CS stun and zerg it. We won with like 3 min left. Shadow cuff abj drop. I really like Einherjar and cant wait for tier two runs.
Last night we did it again and went in with around 25ish people. We got real lucky as the only mobs were like 7 doom toads. The boss was the Malboro. We tried zerging it but it was spamming sweet breath/bad breath. Poison pots are a MUST for this boss. At like 30% hp we tried disengaging to rest mp but it kept spamming TP moves. It must have auto TP imo. Because we couldnt really rest due to spamage we decided to just do one final CS stun and zerg it. We won with like 3 min left. Shadow cuff abj drop. I really like Einherjar and cant wait for tier two runs.
#169
Posted 14 June 2007 - 03:25 PM
IMHO, you were more lucky than smart.
Luck can play a big role, but if you are only killing one monster a run... well, luck won't do you any good. He got Ghosts + Buffalo and could only kill 1 Ghost. My LS would kill for that.
#170
Posted 14 June 2007 - 11:21 PM
Lets see. My LS has done 3 runs. I only made this last one. Went into the G dudes chamber.
About 7-9 Jnun mobs, didn't count, plus the random bird which didn't get killed. Got the wierd message. As far as strategy for killing the multiple weaker mobs, stack up on brds and melees. We have an army of Ebody/Ridill Wars, and some Blus. Brds sleep, any other mages focus on keeping brds alive. We had about 18 people, each party focuses on one mob, and zerg it.
The boss for us was a Morbol. Lots of HP, unlimited TP, used Bad Breath, and Sweet Breath alot. Beat the NM with lots of deaths, but about 6 minutes left. Got Hadean hands, and Marbol parts.
About 7-9 Jnun mobs, didn't count, plus the random bird which didn't get killed. Got the wierd message. As far as strategy for killing the multiple weaker mobs, stack up on brds and melees. We have an army of Ebody/Ridill Wars, and some Blus. Brds sleep, any other mages focus on keeping brds alive. We had about 18 people, each party focuses on one mob, and zerg it.
The boss for us was a Morbol. Lots of HP, unlimited TP, used Bad Breath, and Sweet Breath alot. Beat the NM with lots of deaths, but about 6 minutes left. Got Hadean hands, and Marbol parts.
#171
Posted 15 June 2007 - 12:33 AM
the more I read this thread, the more i feel my ls get screwed.
First time we entered with 27 ppl and we got bats + skeleton + manticore boss. Killed bats, then wiped on skeleton, then brought the manticore to 90% within 2mins.
Second time, we were 34, got giant bats + elemental + morbol. Bats were killed really easily (5min~), but elemental were a pain, do not try to kill them unless you have a pld invincible and bunch of smn astral flow on them (we didn't try it, but it may be a way to kill them quickly).
(we killed the tiger both times, got no msg or chest)
From what I read, the only ppl that won were those who had only 1 group of mobs + boss. wtf ? are we always screwed until we get only 1 group ?
btw on gilgamesh, SpoonDaggers have cleared Wing I already (they went 3/3, had twice the orobon boss, once the morbol, and got 0 abj).
First time we entered with 27 ppl and we got bats + skeleton + manticore boss. Killed bats, then wiped on skeleton, then brought the manticore to 90% within 2mins.
Second time, we were 34, got giant bats + elemental + morbol. Bats were killed really easily (5min~), but elemental were a pain, do not try to kill them unless you have a pld invincible and bunch of smn astral flow on them (we didn't try it, but it may be a way to kill them quickly).
(we killed the tiger both times, got no msg or chest)
From what I read, the only ppl that won were those who had only 1 group of mobs + boss. wtf ? are we always screwed until we get only 1 group ?
btw on gilgamesh, SpoonDaggers have cleared Wing I already (they went 3/3, had twice the orobon boss, once the morbol, and got 0 abj).
#172
Posted 15 June 2007 - 03:02 AM
I did Einherjar as a BLU sleeper. This worked well since BLUs have 2 light sleepga, and a dark sleepga. We still lost with 18 people, but we the LS feels like we are getting better at it.
IMO..... Fun and a Challange > money spent on run.
IMO..... Fun and a Challange > money spent on run.
#173
Posted 15 June 2007 - 05:19 AM
Rossweisses Champer
15 People
Einherjar Craven
Marid >_>
Killed a few of the Ghosts, then we wiped but nobody could RR because they wouldn't move.
Way to go SE! >_>
15 People
Einherjar Craven
Marid >_>
Killed a few of the Ghosts, then we wiped but nobody could RR because they wouldn't move.
Way to go SE! >_>
#174
Posted 15 June 2007 - 06:08 AM
I am not sure of exact details so bear with me. We have done this twice now. Had a Dynamis setup for the most part.
First run we had the full 36 members, killed the first set of mobs which were Bugards, about 10 of them. They took a while to kill but we lost no one and they were simple to defeat. They slept easily but woke after short time. I think bats next, not alot of them, killed easy. No bird that I saw. We had a Marid NM, this is where we got owned. We were doing like 0 damage to it, and he spawned like 20 Chigoes that wiped us. I am not sure what triggered the Chigoes, but I think we would have had a chance without them. The Marid was spamming an AoE knockback as well. We wiped and got spit out after the 3 min. A few pages for exp dropped.
Second run, less people about 21 i think we ended up with. Undead Hounds. 20 or so, they killed us all, we could not sleep them, damage was not easy on them and they just anhialated us. Never saw anything else in that run.
I notice a few things. One, why don't people try using other jobs. Like instead of BLM, SMN, BRD, MNK, NIN, PLD, RDM, WHM. What would the other jobs bring to help I wonder? Someone mentioned RNG doing quite alot of damage. I may go RNG next time to test it out. Would the far east jobs be any help here? Also, I would want to have everyone use 2 hrs next time, minus the NIN maybe unless last resort. I for one forget about 2 hrs unless I am about to die or someone else is. But with it available every 2 hrs, hell use it. It may help, it may not.
We have another run Saturday, I will try and watch more closely and get better details.
First run we had the full 36 members, killed the first set of mobs which were Bugards, about 10 of them. They took a while to kill but we lost no one and they were simple to defeat. They slept easily but woke after short time. I think bats next, not alot of them, killed easy. No bird that I saw. We had a Marid NM, this is where we got owned. We were doing like 0 damage to it, and he spawned like 20 Chigoes that wiped us. I am not sure what triggered the Chigoes, but I think we would have had a chance without them. The Marid was spamming an AoE knockback as well. We wiped and got spit out after the 3 min. A few pages for exp dropped.
Second run, less people about 21 i think we ended up with. Undead Hounds. 20 or so, they killed us all, we could not sleep them, damage was not easy on them and they just anhialated us. Never saw anything else in that run.
I notice a few things. One, why don't people try using other jobs. Like instead of BLM, SMN, BRD, MNK, NIN, PLD, RDM, WHM. What would the other jobs bring to help I wonder? Someone mentioned RNG doing quite alot of damage. I may go RNG next time to test it out. Would the far east jobs be any help here? Also, I would want to have everyone use 2 hrs next time, minus the NIN maybe unless last resort. I for one forget about 2 hrs unless I am about to die or someone else is. But with it available every 2 hrs, hell use it. It may help, it may not.
We have another run Saturday, I will try and watch more closely and get better details.
#175
Posted 15 June 2007 - 11:01 AM
Clemz :
This was a theory I brought up during LS chat, while my LS had a group doing Einherjar.
The crows, tiger, and sheep, are supposed to be pets of Odin, maybe they're charmable and can be used against the boss to prevent it from doing certain things. It seems a bit of a stretch, but it's also something that SE would throw at us. Anyone planning on bringing a bst that would be willing to give this a shot?
This was a theory I brought up during LS chat, while my LS had a group doing Einherjar.
The crows, tiger, and sheep, are supposed to be pets of Odin, maybe they're charmable and can be used against the boss to prevent it from doing certain things. It seems a bit of a stretch, but it's also something that SE would throw at us. Anyone planning on bringing a bst that would be willing to give this a shot?
I had this thought as well. Has anyone tried charming Odin's pets yet? Everyone seems so dead set on killing them this idea seems to have gotten buried.
#176
Posted 15 June 2007 - 02:48 PM
i found tomahawk helps alot with the elementals but its pretty much useless outside of that lol
#177
Posted 17 June 2007 - 09:20 AM
Well, as everyone esle's did, here are my experiences in Einherjar
I LOL'd for a good 10 minutes
I LOL'd for a good 10 minutes
#178
Posted 18 June 2007 - 04:14 PM
Rossweise chamber, 27 people
Got Hounds and worms, didn't really stop to count how many. Bird spawned after all hounds were killed, got the "Monsters seem calmed" message from killing it, no chest with temp items though. Starting to think you either get one or the other.
Morbol Emporer likes to spam sweet breath as well as bad breath, also has a TP move with added Drain effect. Got it to 25% before we were kicked. Would advise melees bringing a stack of remedies and poison potions for the boss, sleep seemed to waste a lot of our time.
lawl my graphics ->
Got Hounds and worms, didn't really stop to count how many. Bird spawned after all hounds were killed, got the "Monsters seem calmed" message from killing it, no chest with temp items though. Starting to think you either get one or the other.
Morbol Emporer likes to spam sweet breath as well as bad breath, also has a TP move with added Drain effect. Got it to 25% before we were kicked. Would advise melees bringing a stack of remedies and poison potions for the boss, sleep seemed to waste a lot of our time.
lawl my graphics ->
#179
Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:00 PM
Cmart, did you have to take that pic just after i died?
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#180
Posted 19 June 2007 - 12:51 AM
That Marid boss is a real pain in the arse, Buffalo just takes ages, but the Marid's healing spam is pretty much over the top. We've done Rossweisses chamber and got the Buffalo boss twice, moved onto a new chamber and got the Marid, didn't get pretty far on that to say the least. We've had Ghosts in both chambers but we had Bats in second Rossweisse attempt. Bird appeared all 3 times and dropped chest once.
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