[Hitoseijuro]

Vawtwee, on 27 October 2009 - 09:10 AM, said:

The AMK helmet made Ares a bit more practical for WS, but I still use ebody since I can then use heca cap, which nets me more str (and essentially more acc because of the 5 dex) than AMK helmet would.

AMK+Ares: 25acc 16str 41 att vs
Nhead+ Ebody: 26 acc 21str 30att

difference is really only 11 att vs 5 str, on guillo, Id take the 11 att over 5str. In camps where I get the fstr of that 5str, I might want to consider it over 11att. Chances are you wouldnt notice it though...

[NikosThePLDMan]

I know a few ppl who had 5/5 Ares, but then some reason they stopped playing around the 20th of January.

[Taint]

NikosThePLDMan, on 27 October 2009 - 10:20 AM, said:

I know a few ppl who had 5/5 Ares, but then some reason they stopped playing around the 20th of January.

I've been 5/5 for a while now, its not too useful. I use it for fun on repetitive stuff like Fafnir or when I'm weak in compaign and still want to hit mobs. The DA rate should be 15% then it might be more useful but with haste owning the DD world the full set has very little use.

[Hitoseijuro]

Taint, on 27 October 2009 - 01:03 PM, said:

I've been 5/5 for a while now, its not too useful. I use it for fun on repetitive stuff like Fafnir or when I'm weak in compaign and still want to hit mobs. The DA rate should be 15% then it might be more useful but with haste owning the DD world the full set has very little use.

Wouldnt the set still be useful for ws? Or only the body is useful for ws?(I know for non-relics full is best for guillo, but I was curious if the DA from the set was worth it for cata)

[Taint]

Hitoseijuro, on 27 October 2009 - 01:28 PM, said:

Wouldnt the set still be useful for ws? Or only the body is useful for ws?(I know for non-relics full is best for guillo, but I was curious if the DA from the set was worth it for cata)

Cata is just all around Meh when it comes to gear swaps but yes DA and attack seems to be the best way to push its damage. For Guillotine a STR setup is much prefered.

[Vawtwee]

lolwtfbbq, on 27 October 2009 - 10:04 AM, said:

not rlly

Probably should've been more clear on this, I meant that it's the only job I would consider using ares on the majority of the time (idling if you will). There are obviously situations where one can make use of better bodies.

As for the person who said they'd take 11 attack over 5 str, preference I guess, but I can already add a substantial amount of attack. 11 attack out of 700 or so is only 1.5%, although I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference in a parse between the two, considering guillotine's shitty modifiers. Regardless of the minuscule WS damage difference, ebody will still blow Ares out of the water when it comes to TPing in uncapped situations. It also allows you to stack a ton of attack after relic in other slots.

I'm 3/5 Ares right now (missing 35 legs and hands), and the only piece I intend on using are legs for guillotine/aftermath and the full set for Catastrophe.

[Shadowx]

I've been 5/5 ares for awhile now, and I really love it for ws only (guillo). Really has pushed my numbers. The DA proc for ws is pretty common which rocks. I wouldn't TP in it in most situations. For tping I normally use homam body legs feet hands, and askar head. And for soloing I would recommend af+1 legs, but when you cast shadows switch to an all haste setup macro.

Im also using Justice torque, abyssal earring, Rajas, Ulth, Abyss cape, Fire bomblet, and swift belt/potent. Perdu sickle + Pole grip. Really diggin the setup. I got full merits as well. Scythe skill is 304.

I really think the choice between Ares, Adaberk, or heca really depends on what you got in your other slots, and your playing style. Theres never one way to do things, and all it takes is testing and preference. Also depends on the mob you are fighting.

All in all Ares's is totally worth it and I'm very happy. You can do useful things with all pieces of gear, most people just follow trends and don't think outside of the box. Even af+1 body has a use for enfeebles. DEX + gear can be great for those damn chiggers or that stupid assault with the lamia's where you have to crit them to break their weapon or something.

If you are a career Drk get everything you possible can so you can be ready for anything!

Also got 4/5 Marduks for my brd!

[Deemos]

What the above poster said ^ sounds like, hey dude i got it ,now imma use it no matter wut

Ok the accomplishment etc but no, full ares on guillo is no. Just like Taint said. Math goes over personal preference often when all we talk about are numbers. Keep it on mind!

[Shadowx]

Because in every situation it's totally all about numbers and doing the most dmg possible...

and wtf str+ for guillo? Seriously?

Bottom line is Ares's WILL work on ws very nice. And so does other gear depending on your other slots. Again there is no best, it always depends on mob and situation.

Besides everyone knows full amir is the best set in the game for drks =D

[Deemos]

Shadowx, on 30 October 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

Because in every situation it's totally all about numbers and doing the most dmg possible...

Lol if we talk about 5/5 ares, yes

Shadowx, on 30 October 2009 - 02:49 PM, said:

and wtf str+ for guillo? Seriously?

something like this, usually works (with proper sea gorget depending on ws)



If you are proud you completed it does not mean now is the best, i just corrected this. I have 5/5 usu (and 12/15 ares), but i still walahra/usu/dusk/byakko/usu, because in terms of damage, is better

[Hitoseijuro]

Deemos, on 30 October 2009 - 03:18 AM, said:

Ok the accomplishment etc but no, full ares on guillo is no. Just like Taint said. Math goes over personal preference often when all we talk about are numbers. Keep it on mind!

Thats incorrect. Numbers are all dependent on what/where you are using said sets. Different camps require different setups. Just like different mobs require different setups.

It all comes down to 7% DA vs 2-3Fstr in the end though. If you like bird camp, ares is better, if you like mamool camp, swapping between both sets is better.

[Taint]

Hitoseijuro, on 31 October 2009 - 04:33 AM, said:

Thats incorrect. Numbers are all dependent on what/where you are using said sets. Different camps require different setups. Just like different mobs require different setups.

It all comes down to 7% DA vs 2-3Fstr in the end though. If you like bird camp, ares is better, if you like mamool camp, swapping between both sets is better.

Merit camps are not where ideal gear sets are made, they are a joke when it comes to top end gear.

STR from gear, att from food and songs/rolls. The only WS I would stack att on is Cata and I have or had every piece of gear a DRK could ever want.

[Hitoseijuro]

Taint, on 31 October 2009 - 09:23 AM, said:

STR from gear, att from food and songs/rolls. The only WS I would stack att on is Cata and I have or had every piece of gear a DRK could ever want.

I agree, but tbh, from str setup, you are already getting plenty of att(which would make an att setup pointless). If you look at drk gear, most str pieces already come with a big att value attached to it, if they dont, they have a huge str value that = a good att to revival/beat any str/att piece already. I dont think we are disagreeing on that setup or how we both gear for guillotine.

:note: as far as guillotine str or att, imo I still feel guillotine does better with more att than str. That doesnt mean im not going to go with a str setup(w/ capping acc).