[Corrderio]

Sylvanis :
Wow, apparently the responders didn't catch my joke.
I was trying to point out there's no information on Dancer:
if being gender only,
No AF information for Males,
how SE always reuses released armor graphics,
how the PS2 is limiting anything new for FFXI.

Just right over your heads.
/clap

Oh and remember this next time. Why is there wedding armor for females only?

Because SE somehow thinks weddings were a smart idea to add in FFXI with 1 gender only races...

[MIR The Great]

The game developers actually answered that question.

They simply thought there wasn't a need to add a special equipment for the groom, they thought that "They can wear a nice looking armor". Basically while it is acceptable for the groom to go to a wedding with an armor, it is not aceptable for the bride, or so they might have thougt.

You've got to admit that in our western society the groom's outfit is something that a man could wear for any important event, there's not such a thing as a male wedding specific attire. The bride wedding dress however is something that a woman can only wear at a wedding.

[NinjaGorge]

Sylvanis :
Wow, apparently the responders didn't catch my joke.
I was trying to point out there's no information on Dancer:
if being gender only,
No AF information for Males,
how SE always reuses released armor graphics,
how the PS2 is limiting anything new for FFXI.

Just right over your heads.
/clap

I don't get exactly what you're saying, so you're saying that since PS2 is limited, there won't be a different AF for Dancer male or there won't be male Dancers at all because PS2 is limited?

First of all, the PS2 isn't on the verge of exploding due to "too many armors" in FFXI. SE said there are limitations but they're playing it smart, only adding new armor looks when needed, and that occasion is for the new jobs. While PS2 are preventing some stuff like increased inventory or adding new weapon types, there is still A LOT more stuff the PS2 can handle. While the PS2 is slowly reaching its limit, it still has a lot left it can do, or else SE wouldn't be making new expansions at all.

Also, the Dancer debate has been done in this entire thread, just read it.

If Dancer was female only and can only be female only because of "PS2 limitations", then SE would be better off releasing another job instead of Dancer where all gender AFs look similar.

To sum up the basic reason why Dancer shouldn't/couldn't be female only is because it'll be unfair to players who have male characters.

FFXI isn't WoW or some other MMORPG, FFXI actually lets you switch jobs AND you have to do thousands of hours worth of quests/missions for your character.

WoW, for example, has certain race specific classes and stuff, but that doesn't really matter much because you can't change classes like in FFXI, and things don't take thousands of hours to finish like in FFXI.

WoW forces you to create a new character everytime you want to play a new class, but the quests/missions don't take as long to complete like in FFXI.

Oh and remember this next time. Why is there wedding armor for females only?

The game developers actually answered that question.

They simply thought there wasn't a need to add a special equipment for the groom, they thought that "They can wear a nice looking armor". Basically while it is acceptable for the groom to go to a wedding with an armor, it is not aceptable for the bride, or so they might have thougt.

You've got to admit that in our western society the groom's outfit is something that a man could wear for any important event, there's not such a thing as a male wedding specific attire. The bride wedding dress however is something that a woman can only wear at a wedding.

That answers that.

Also, Bride or Wife isn't a job in FFXI. If Wife/Bride was a job in FFXI with an AF wedding dress, there would certainly be a Husband/Groom with an AF tuxedo or something.

Both AF pieces would have the same stats of course.

[Yoona]

Corrderio :

Sylvanis :
Wow, apparently the responders didn't catch my joke.
I was trying to point out there's no information on Dancer:
if being gender only,
No AF information for Males,
how SE always reuses released armor graphics,
how the PS2 is limiting anything new for FFXI.

Just right over your heads.
/clap

Oh and remember this next time. Why is there wedding armor for females only?

Because SE somehow thinks weddings were a smart idea to add in FFXI with 1 gender only races...

One thing thats kinda funny about that. Galka aren't either gender technically. They are referred to as males and such but technically they aren't They dont have a penis! They reproduce through reincarnation!!!

[Killface]

before this gets too far and I can't add info perhaps SE would be nice enough to spare us the sight of male dancers, I've been watching the movie 300 lately and the more I do the better I feel about SE adding Spartan or Sentinel to the game. a Melee tank capable of repelling an army and still doing great damage the JP call him "Man of great Strength" and due to the fact that spartans were men it would fit in with a gender specific job theme and the war theme itself.

Don't think SE will leave the guys out in the cold on this the male only job will be just as cool and perform a different function and yes the ladies will be just as jealous and a bit upset at not being able to play it. As for why SE released this job first "Ladies first" I believe SE is heading in a new direction with WoTG they are just as tired of the lack of people partying as most people seeking party for 4 hrs a day. Right now everyone can lvl any job that is true but look what happens when everyone can lvl every job we have "in" jobs that everyone bandwagons on instead of playing to have fun. By adding 2 gender specific jobs that complement each other and oh guess what not everyone can play certain jobs. You eliminate the bandwagon by one small fraction.

BTW SE's Edict on never creating a job that is Race specific does not apply to male female unless you can prove that women are from Venus and men are from mars.

[Sugami]

Yoona :
One thing thats kinda funny about that. Galka aren't either gender technically. They are referred to as males and such but technically they aren't They dont have a penis! They reproduce through reincarnation!!!

If they don't have a penis then how do they pee?

And Syl, you might not be aware of this but tone of voice doesn't transfer across text very well Keep that in mind when next making a joke

[Internal]

One thing thats kinda funny about that. Galka aren't either gender technically. They are referred to as males and such but technically they aren't They don't have a penis! They reproduce through reincarnation!!!

I have pictures that disprove this.

Also, apparently in the Japanese translation of the description of Galka, it says they do have penis' the English translations left this out. (Though, unlike my pictures, this is only what I heard, I have no proof of this)

And if SE denies me my right to prance around like a male stripper, then... then... I'll cry... and I don't think anyone wants that. ; ;

[Norelle]

Corrderio :

Sylvanis :
Why is this a debate? SE has already shown us both Male and Females will be able to be Dancers.
They even shown us both AF armor types, Females get the Red and black dress, Males get the Blue and brown.

Everyone, you need to remember that FFXI is limited on graphics and memory because of the abilities of the PS2. So, typical SE will just reuse armor from previous releases and call it different with new stats.

Bummer that male player get the shaft this time. Maybe on the next expansion, males will get something new.

You do realize the males are in a wool robes in the trailer right?

/fashionticket!

No It's not a wool robe(s? Dunno what the S is for )
They are wearing Blue Cotehardies for body piece, Noct Brais for legs, and Noct Gaiters for boots ^^

Point mainly being this random assortment of crap is not the AF It's already in the game lol.

And also are you talking about Galka prons Internal :3? My friend just showed me some pictures of it lol.

[Internal]

No, I'm talking about actual anatomical textboo-of course I'm talking about the porns!

I thought that was obvious. >.>

[MIR The Great]

before this gets too far and I can't add info perhaps SE would be nice enough to spare us the sight of male dancers, I've been watching the movie 300 lately and the more I do the better I feel about SE adding Spartan or Sentinel to the game. a Melee tank capable of repelling an army and still doing great damage the JP call him "Man of great Strength" and due to the fact that spartans were men it would fit in with a gender specific job theme and the war theme itself.

Tell me this is a joke, are you really thinking that it's possible that we are going to see "Spartan" as a job in FFXI?

What's next then? Newyorker?

BTW SE's Edict on never creating a job that is Race specific does not apply to male female unless you can prove that women are from Venus and men are from mars.

You are very wrong man. In this game there are many things that are Race specific, so you can say that some races are barred from using some equipment and even food. But there's never been such a thing as something that's Sex specific except for visual purposes. Despite what common sense would dicatate, Female and Male have the exact same attributes (STR, VIT etc). It's true that there are some equip that are male or female specific but for any of them there's always the male/female counterpart with the exact same statistic (except for opaline), unlike what happens with race specific equipments.

Noone said that SE will never make a sex speific job, because SE never made a race specific job. We say that SE will most probably not make a sex specific job because SE never made anything that bars either sex from doing something.

So to speak, it would be less of a revolution to make a race specific job than making a sex specific job.

[Killface]

We just agree'd on one thing then disagreed on another, and you should rent the move 300 you'd like it.

My point is we see a lot of anger over the very idea of a gender specific job, and most arguements are centered on SE declaring they'd never make a race specific job however they never mentioned gender specific. If they did create such a job people are afraid of one job not being equal to the other, and their burn party invites suffering. They need not fear this as SE would never forsake one gender for the other. I have always been vehemently against the stat equality in my view it is nothing but laziness, female should be naturally more agile and charisthmatic than male and male should have more str and dex than female. However SE was too hellbent on equality to read up on how to design an rpg which brings us to this crossroads. Yes we do have stat equality yes it is a mistake and SE has made attempts to correct that mistake which is why we have RSE but they screwed that up too we have unique pretty pictures but no disbalance.

My intent is to try to smooth over the anarchy that would ensue if the inevitable becomes truth, not fan it's flames. I fail to see why males are so up in arms over such a girlie job. Besides if the job is gender specific I'm sure SE would implement a 1 time boutique function whereas before the expansion is installed you have 1 chance to change your race/sex/name. Then the expansion uninstalls the program and you are stuck. You have 1 chance to become female or male there that would be nice of them right?

Also I would like to point out what someone else has said and magnify it, This is dancer, not ballet, not ballroom, not club, not hiphop, not disco dancing. This is ancient dance it's tribal, it creates it's own music, and it predates anything the current generation has ever known. The job Dancer is more akin to the Gypsy dancing style, which is female exclusive as gypsies are a Matriarchal society dance is a form of worship. Thier dances will be more ritualistic, think ancient egypt, romany, and arabian cultures, the Divinity of Dance implies Mysticism rather than the carnal dancing forms we have in current existence. So think more clearly on the job before declaring your manhood as a dancer.

Dancer will not be a "fun" or "entertainment" job and will not be presented as such, Dancer is an instrument of Altana's will on Vanadiel, it's dances are not spells, dancing is evocation (native american Rain dance), basically dancers guide the hand of Altana to the aid of soldiers in the crystal war. Dancer will be a religious job every bit as much as those stiff collared elvaan priests in sandoria. Though the methods of thier worship are different both serve the goddess. People have gathered the wrong perception early on with the presentation of this job, partly to blame is the popculture, religious and social depiction of dance as a tool of the devil, a sexual tease, or as a social/interactive activity. SE is not focusing purely on the entertainment value with historical jobs they are focusing on mythology, world religion and world history, and the jobs based on this are reflections of that history mixed with fantasy.

[Sugami]

Internal :

One thing thats kinda funny about that. Galka aren't either gender technically. They are referred to as males and such but technically they aren't They don't have a penis! They reproduce through reincarnation!!!

I have pictures that disprove this.

Also, apparently in the Japanese translation of the description of Galka, it says they do have penis' the English translations left this out. (Though, unlike my pictures, this is only what I heard, I have no proof of this)

And if SE denies me my right to prance around like a male stripper, then... then... I'll cry... and I don't think anyone wants that. ; ;

That's so very wrong x_x;;

I can't see any reason why the Japanese would mention penises in the manual but you know what they're like

[Norelle]

I find this thread to be shallow and pedantic.

[Kofdizz]

I wonder if Haste gear will make a Dancer dance faster. Lol, give her the 25% haste-from-gear cap + haste spell + 2x SV March and watch homegirl go!!! XD

[Norelle]

Maybe just stop in the middle of the Dance. Kinda like getting half a lapdance

[Undeadhunter]

Norelle :
I find this thread to be shallow and pedantic.

I agree, shallow and pedantic.

[Kauna]

Dancer's not going to be female only. There's been plenty of male dancers in the past. Surely you haven't forgotten Mog?

[Sugami]

Norelle :
Maybe just stop in the middle of the Dance. Kinda like getting half a lapdance

Half a lap dance? I'd ask for my money back