[octoberasian]

The question I pose to you is this:[list]
Think about it: Why is it that the trailer and website only showed ONE sex for this job?

Previous trailers for Aht Urghan showed multiple races and sexes for BLU, PUP, and COR. Thus, why wasn't males shown in both the trailer and the official website?

Think about it carefully for a minute or two.

Also, return back to Final Fantasy Tactics as that was the last game I could recall with a sex-specific jobs. Dancers were for females and Bards were for males.

From Final Fantasy Wiki:[list]
Bard:[list]
Therefore, going back to that question, if another job with a different name that had the same functions and abilities as Dancers, but different animations for male characters, then it would make perfect sense to leave Dancer female-only.

What do you guys think?

I'll post my reason later as to why I'm asking this.

[Neyasa]

This is something I was trying to say but couldn't seem to get it across the right way.

[Waraji]

lol. Let me start off by asking WHY this topic has been still going for the past week, of which is completely redundant.

Not only did we see Male Dancers in the back of the dancer in af in the trailer, but SE has never redone any job to a specific race/sex in the what? 4 almost 5 years this game has been out.

If they would go back to the tactics idea of sex only jobs, then Bards would be male only, MAKING ALL FEMALE BARDS USELESS. All those Lv75 Female Bards, would just disappear they would not exist, taken away suddenly. So you spend this time leveling this job and getting this gear for it, and suddenly SE say "oh sorry we meant for you to level THIS job because this is how it worked in previous FF's."

If that sounds RIGHT to anyone playing at this moment. Quit the game. Stop playing and go play WoW, where the classes are restricted to Races and what not. This is no going to happen.

Now, if it does happen, of which is completely unlikely to me due through reason and common sense, please be sure to rant at me, do so for my ability to see patterns and making assumptions.

[Fallyn`]

Enpsi :
I'd be pissed if it was Female, only I really want to level Dancer.


I'm sure it only shown female humes because SE probably didn't make the other armor sets yet >.>;

Which is kinda a lame explanation since Mithra and female humes share the same armor models.

Out of armor they have different polygon models, but in armor, they share the exact same, besides their heads / a tail.

Just because its practically the same model doesnt mean anything. it still needs recolors for skins, and redesign for tail and head so its still gunna take longer.

[MIR The Great]

Just one question for you. There are already 3 topics about this subject, why you felt the need for a fourth one?

Think about it: Why is it that the trailer and website only showed ONE sex for this job?

And yet again we have someone that only notice what he wants to notice, and doesn't notice the whole picture.
One sex, you say?
What about one race?
Why the fact that you only see a Female dancer is so relevant, and the fact you only see a Hume dancer is so unrelevant?
Considering that in the trailer you actually see two Hume Male dancers (which obviously you didn't notice) it would make more sense to think Dancer will be Hume only (which doesn't really make sense) than saying that dancer will be female only.

You think that Dancer will be female? Fine. But saying that the fact you only see a Female dancer in the video (false) proves it, it's a flawed logic.

Also, return back to Final Fantasy Tactics as that was the last game I could recall with a sex-specific jobs. Dancers were for females and Bards were for males.

That's exactly my point. If there were a male equivalent for Dancer that would be Bard. Now if Bard would be Male only then it would make sense, but since BRD is for both sex why do you think Dancer will be female only? The very fact that BRD can be male and female should make you think that FFXI doesn't follow FFT rules.
Then again why do you think that FFT is the cornerstone for jobs definition in FFXI while clearly FFV jobs and their appearances are a lot more similar to the ones in FFXI?
I mean, why you always mention FFT and never mention FFV?
I could understand if you say "In FFT dancer are female only, but hey in FFV there are Male dancers".

I'm not against you thinking that Dancer will be female only, i'm not against the idea of dancer being female, what pisses me off is the narrow vision that accompany this theory, you only see what you want to see, why? Look at the whole picture!

[Spanner]

Ignoring the issue of how silly it is to assume that Dancer will be female-only based partly on the trailers we've been shown, I'll address the actual question posed by this thread: If Dancer was female-only, and there was a male-only job with a different name, but the same abilities, would it be okay?

Well, it'd be a little silly, really. If both jobs do the same thing, why bother to give them two seperate names?

Personally, I'm not opposed to the idea of having a female-only job and a completely different male-only job. Frankly, I think the game needs a little bit of variance based on race and gender choice. Race choice has long since been rendered almost completely irrelevant thanks to the availability of equipment to balance racial strengths (for instance, with the proper gear a Galka can match a Taru for MP and INT), and gender has been pretty much irrelevant from the very beginning, with exactly ONE variety of female equipment that doesn't have an equivalent counterpart for male (the opaline/ceremonial gear).

While I'm grateful to SE for their wonderful job system that renders you able to try a variety of jobs without rerolling your character from scratch, it wouldn't kill me to see one job always out of reach - especially if I was given an exclusive job of my own to replace it.

Frankly, I think it'll never happen, though.

[Neyasa]

The reason many people keep thinking its female only is that AF has never been this gender specific. On the fact that this AF is extremely feminine in which gear never really is this gender specific. The guys behind the dancer are back up dancers in which it cannot be AF because the AF is only on the girl. If this is for male also SE does not do 360 on AF, if the guys have pants some AF the girls have panties. Therefore, guys get use to your rose hairpin and your red cute top and skirt.

[Varizen]

I agree with Oraan for the most part, but I oppose the idea of there being Male and Female only jobs. The redundancy is a bit silly, and the players would be angered if they couldn't get a job just because they made a sex and race decision years ago, and it's to late to change it. SE is not going to anger the players over something like this for the same logic they don't allow chocobos to die. They don't want players to lose something against their will. Items breaking during crafting that's fine, you were willing to risk the items, and you were going to lose them anyway regardless of success. Animal dying that you put a lot of work and time and money into is not acceptable. Not being able to obtain a job (Especially one as popular as this) because you picked the wrong sex or race 4 years ago would not be acceptable.

I agree with Oraan though. That's the most wonderful thing about FFXI. One character can level all jobs. That's the selling point of FFXI. If they added a job that all players couldn't obtain, a lot of people are going to feel pretty damn betrayed by SE.

[Waraji]

MIR The Great :

[green]([/green]Thank You![red])[/red]

[Varizen]

You know they can take the Rose off for males (if you look, there's a Tiara besides the Rose). Who says the AF is Gender Specific Neyasa? You're only going by what your eyes tell you. They can call it Dancer's Blouse for the body and cover it for both males and females by changing it to a Shirt for males. The shoes can also be called Dancer's Shoes and it can be changed to something more boot like for males. JUST because the armor Looks feminine on females doesn't mean it will on males.

[Waraji]

8D i made it

[MIR The Great]

The reason many people keep thinking its female only is that AF has never been this gender specific. On the fact that this AF is extremely feminine in which gear never really is this gender specific. The guys behind the dancer are back up dancers in which it cannot be AF because the AF is only on the girl. If this is for male also SE does not do 360 on AF, if the guys have pants some AF the girls have panties. Therefore, guys get use to your rose hairpin and your red cute top and skirt.

Of all the reason behind the idea of Dancer being female only this is probabaly the one that makes more sense. This is what i believe actually made many people believe that dancer will be female only.

But i think if you dig more below it, i think there are a lot of people that thinks male dancers are gay and therefore SE shouldn't make male dancers cause they'd look gay, expecially on that AF.

Honestly i think PUP AF alone makes galka and elvaan look very gay, but they still are there, however the issue here is are we really sure that Dancer AF will be the same for any race and sex?

The OP made a good point: whenever any other job was announced several screenshots of different sexes and races wearing AF were showned. The Dancer here is a very funny exception.

However if you only look at the "sex" part you might come to the conclusion that dancer will be female only, but if you also consider the "race" part and you really wonder why, then you might consider the idea that probably Dancer will have AFs that greatly differ depending on Sex and Race.

To resume, we have a question:

"Why the trailer only shows a Hume Female Dancer AF?"

The "female only" theory only answer to half of the question

The "different AF theory" answer to the whole question.

Of course it could also be that this time SE was lazy and didn't finish some minor changes to shows the rest of the AFs.

[Clink]

This Job will not be Female only Sure it only show's the Hume Female in the AF but thats besides the point look to the left and right of the Female Dancer WOW 2 guy's also dancing but not in AF as of yet so plz gtfo whoever believes this will be a Female only job. Heck who knows maybe the Cohlitrede will be model for the guys AF. Just who ever believes this Dancer was a Female only job in 1 FF and that was FFT FFT =/= FFXI. If you believe That Dancer is a Female only job and are going by FFT. Look at Bard if that was the case only Males could be that job if that was the case but it isnt theres female and male bards on XI. So I rest my case.

[Crispleaf]

If they had started with a male dancer in AF, we wouldn't be having a conversation of "will there be female dancers?" Obviously someone's sensibilities are in a knot over this...

They probably needed a female hume NPC wearing dancer AF right away, but didn't necessarily need anyone else right now. Just like in the ToAU release, they won't have dancer AF available to use at the release date, so there's no need to have all of it done just now.

Besides, there were male and female dancers in the clip.

[Eladant]

It wasnt A job demo it was just to release the fact that the job existed.....

@the thing about every other job being shown with more than one race/sex...as long as were
comparing SE's history with releasing jobs perhaps we should note that they have never
released a sex/race specific job. Nor can they, they stated several times they have very limited space
on what they can and cant add due to PS2 limitations.

Again Releasing the job officially is not a job Demo.

[Invictusx]

I love how people use the: SE hasn't done this evar!!! It can NEVER EVER HAPPEN! Waraji used this logic, and it is the most retarded logic in the entire world. Note: I do not think Dancer will be female only, but I am going to bash your stupidity

1. SE would NEVER introduce a ring to help gain exp faster, they had never done it before!! Empress and Anniversary ring happened, omg

2. SE would never make it so that you need less exp to get from 50 to 75!! O SHIT, it happened

3. SE is not going to try and get rid of gil sellers, they are making money of them! STFU (Special Task Force Unit)

4. SE is never going to let 2 handed weapons compete with duel wielders!! (speaks for itself)

What ever happened to the possibility of new and innovative ideas, I am not saying Dancer will be female only, I am saying that you mean nothing when you say something like that

[Kenja]

The logic here is extremely flawed. If by FF standards you'd expect that Dancer was female only then Bard should have been male only (which it's not).

So why does this thread even exist? Male dancers were shown in the background and if anything the repetitive showing of a female dancer may only be because she either A). Is a main character in the upcoming storyline . Gives you the flag quest to become a dancer or C). Both

If sex specific jobs already existed in this game, I'd say you had something to go on but throwing around theories without any sort of underlying fact is plain retarded. Alot of those screenshots shown seem to be part of a cutscene so if anything that female dancer is probably part of the story. The fact that some of the commentary text talks about a lost art of dance would also be proof of this, much like Blu, Pup and Cor were tied into the ToAU storyline.

[Sugosuke]

assuming the skirt is part of the top(and it probably is). If they just changed that and maybe the rose it would look perfectly decent on guys. Girls always had different pants than guys, so this wouldnt even be the first time the AFs were different.

[Waraji]

Invictusx :
I love how people use the: SE hasn't done this evar!!! It can NEVER EVER HAPPEN! Waraji used this logic, and it is the most retarded logic in the entire world. Note: I do not think Dancer will be female only, but I am going to bash your stupidity

Yes! You Failed to catch the TOPIC AT HAND. Which is The Sex of the Job being an issue to people. I was SIMPLY using the logic for the topic, NOT THE ENTIRE GAME. So you failed at grasping that once again.

Here, I'll quote myself stating the topic at hand.

Waraji :
but SE has never redone any job to a specific race/sex. < OMG WATS THAT A TOPIC?!

NOW, IF, we were talking about things in the game OVERALL, I would not be able to use that logic, because like all expansions, New jobs were added, and yes they have never added Those Job, so they can. But again, we're talking about a specific topic not the overall game.

You failed, stfu, and gtfo. Learn To Read.