[Ereshkigal]

What the hell does this mean??

"Each additional Merit upgrade increases Magic Burst damage by 3 and Magic Accuracy by 5"

Does it mean:

Each additional Merit upgrade increases Magic Burst damage by 3 and Magic Accuracy by 5

where as Magic Burst damage by 3 is something you get from magic bursts and Magic Accuracy by 5 is something you get everytime you cast the spell.


Or does it mean:

Each additional Merit upgrade increases Magic Burst: damage by 3 and Magic Accuracy by 5

whereas the Magic Accuracy is also a bonus granted during a Magic Burst ONLY and not every cast. I see nowhere where any clear definition is made or proven. Did anyone merit an AM2 and get phenomenal Magic Accuracy Results during typical casts?

There's no punctuation in this description and they capitalize the "proper nouns" if you wanna call it such in FFXI so its hard to tell if they mean "Magic Burst damage by 3" AND "Magic Accuracy by 5" or if they mean "Magic Burst: damage by 3 and accuracy by 5"

Thanks for the help

[rambus]

we do not know if the mag acc is out of MBs since SE can not be clear.

why it is worded however i see it as the acc is for MB only.

the "3" is an extra 3% damage added, this is not the same as MAB, this muliplayer takes after MAB is factored in so it has a grater effect then what 3 MAB does.

ps the word merpo w/e is stupid i still can not comprehend how to spell that fake word.

say merit its not hard.

[Ludomancer]

Indeed, description is unclear and testing it would be very difficult.
I got all 6 since I figure, if I'm concerned about the accuracy of my AMII, better to use the mob's least resisted element and/or match with day and weather.

[Nerull]

Ludomancer :
Indeed, description is unclear and testing it would be very difficult.
I got all 6 since I figure, if I'm concerned about the accuracy of my AMII, better to use the mob's least resisted element and/or match with day and weather.

Except that in 95% of situations ice will be more accurate regardless of mob "weakness". One of the many silly things in this game.

[drwaffles]

BUT KIRIN!!!!!

[Ereshkigal]

oh OK so I'm not alone in thinking Square Enix fucked up that description.

I think I'mma write them a damn letter.

[Cairthenn]

I always interpreted it as the Magic Accuracy to be seperate from the damage increase on magic burst.

[grahamoo]

How is it not clear? If it was both it would say both. The way it's worded it means that the Damage bonus is only on magic bursts, while the accuracy is always present.

[Ereshkigal]

well i thought it was two seperate things and then someone told me they thought that it was only the MB. and that got me to thinking so i started asking a bunch of people and i got a general "i'm not sure". so now with so many uncertain black mages long after the ancient magic 2 was released i can't even be sure myself anymore.

[rambus]

How is it not clear? If it was both it would say both. The way it's worded it means that the Damage bonus is only on magic bursts, while the accuracy is always present.

no

"deals ice damage to an enemy and lowers its ice resitance againt fire. < meaning its the same on a level 1 mod as to a level 3. increase freeze II magic burst damage by 3, and magic acc by 5.

if you put "Increase freeze II magic burst damage by 3, and magic acc by 5 on magic bursts." that would be repeative. i beleave with proper English rules the "5 acc" is linked with the action of "magic burst"

ether that or it is not proper English at all since there is 2 actions "increasing freeze II" and "magic bursts" since it is an akworkd sentence its hard to tell what action is really the reference thus improper.

[Byrthnoth]

Holy crap, Rambus-grammar-owned!

[rambus]

thats what i think from what i remember im not sure if thats 100% right, feel free to rebuttal that.

[Delekii]

Byrthnoth :
Holy crap, Rambus-grammar-owned!

Except that he is wrong.

If it applies to both, the the magical in magical accuracy is superfluous, the same as Burst would be.

To apply to both, it should either be:
Increase XX II magic burst damage by 3, and magic burst accuracy by 5. (Perhaps superfluous, but much clearer regardless)
OR
Increase XX II magic burst damage by 3, and accuracy by 5.

The fact that it is magical accuracy, withOUT burst, is more representative of it NOT being related to magic bursts.


By the way Rambus, please don't ever, EVER try to create an argument centered around grammar and/or spelling.

[rambus]

But SE don't know English anyway, how do you know what they ment?

"rambus gains the effect of slowed"

and i would like references on this, that sentence SE gave has 2 actions, i want to know the rules behind that and yes i am searching for them

[Delekii]

Then don't use their grammar as an argument to support the idea that further AM2 merits increase damage and accuracy during Bursts and/or all the time.

You can't say "The grammar says this so this is what it is" when it supports your argument, and then turn around and say "But SE sucks at English so we shouldn't go based on the grammar" when it doesn't.

[rambus]

ok lets go back to how SE words this.

Freeze II: Deals ice damage to an enemy and lowers it's restance to fire.

we get freeze II is doing Ice damage
freeze II is also lowering the enemy 's resistance to fire.

now the next sentence.

Increase freeze II magic bust damage by 3, and magic accuracy by 5.

first off this is not a real sentence what is doing the increase? or how is freeze II increasing?

now lets try filling the understood stuff.

"Each additional Merit upgrade increases Freeze II Magic Burst damage by 3, and Magic Accuracy by 5"

so the action of increasing merits of freeze II increases the action of "magic bursting" by 3.

now the other part if the magic accuracy had to take effect only in mbs how would you word this? i am not too serten how to analyze this expect the fact that the action of "magic burst" was stated first so therefor you have to mb it to get the effect. If SE wanted to give magic acc without mb wouldn't this be a lot easier to read?

"Each additional Merit upgrade increases Magic Accuracy by 5, and Magic Burst damage by 3."

like i said i really want you to go into how this is incorrect.

[Byrthnoth]

Honestly, I don't actually read anything anyone writes on these boards. You guys are arguing about a translation error made by SE. Why would they have made an exception and had these spells grant your job a general bonus like one might find in tier 1 merits? I mean, these are spells not Job traits. Plus, who the hell can really tell the difference between having 5 MAcc and not having 5 MAcc?

[rambus]

that is why people ague this because it is hard to test..

someone asks does the acc effect MBs? they get two answers, then it leads to this crap><

then stuff can pop up to compare them to the RDM spells. with RDM its hardly worth having a level 1, they are crap(duration too short i think some say they are less attacute at level 1 then the original spells), so here you may get do i need to level it to 2 or 3 for acc i should be normally getting?

anyway to answer that at lest i think the AM level i's are fine.. as far as acc...

[Byrthnoth]

Who the hell gets resisted on MBs anyway? And if the answer is no one, then who cares whether it affects them?

[rambus]

you can, you can even get resisted on ES...

/poke nerull

so you are saying meriting the AMs for mag acc is dumb anyway?

right?