[Prada]

I'm sure Despot rings a bell for most people on this topic.

However, I'd like to ask others out there if they were ever able to force pop other NM's by zoning their PH's?
Some examples I can think of:

Mysticmaker Profblix (incorrect NM)
Wyvernpoacher Drachlox
Bloodthirster Madkix
Ose
Valkurm Emperor
and the list goes on.
etc.

Has anyone had any experience in popping these or similar NM's by zoning?

Zoning to my opinion in certain NM areas can save a lot of time and hassle of having to kill everything.

[Orson]

Mysticmaker doesn't have a PH. :dozingoff Also if you have trouble killing VE's PH you don't know how to camp him.

[Prada]

I'm sorry, are you providing constructive criticism or being antagonistically perfunctory in your response, seemingly directed back at me?
I wasn't aware of Mysticmaker having no placeholder, much rather I was trying to list NM's that I thought would have PH's in order to further explain my speculation - No one stated, not even myself that I was going to be camping Valkurm Emperor.. It was just being provided to serve an example.

I hope I was clear enough in what was a lottery in the examples I listed above.

[pathwriter]

Given you don't even know that Mysticmaker Profblix isn't a lottery spawn, I'm just going to assume that you weren't remotely clear enough nor knowledgeable enough.

I also have no clue what you're trying to say. "Zone everything and the one that doesn't despawn is the PH!"?

[Prada]

Okay.. I'll go on a limb here to reinstate the question again, perhaps I wasn't being clear or there's trouble deciphering what I'm trying to ask. I apologize for any mistakes on incorrectly identifying the wrong NM's, it goes to show that I don't know exactly know as much as I'd like to.





Let's say John wants to camp Voluptuous Vivian (for the Vivian Ring).
Instead of having to try and attempt to kill every Malboro monster in the area for it to pop, which possibly could become a tedious task if he either perhaps didn't have the time / patience or doesn't have LS members/members to help kill placeholders - He could simply just zone the Demonic Rose (I believe these are what VV lotto's off of?) to the nearby Dragon's Aery instead of having to spend time killing it.

For example:
Time spent soloing/killing a PH : 10 minutes + Respawn 15 minutes = 25 minutes
Zoning the mob + waiting 1 minute for respawn: 5 minutes

Thus, you'd end up with potentially faster times for the NM to respawn, and considerably a lot less effort. That is if VV could actually spawn this way, which is the question I'm asking - is it possible to pop NM's by zoning their placeholders, then waiting a minute for it to re-spawn?

Yes, we do know that Despot works in this way - but I'm inquiring outside of Despot to other NM's. Perhaps Despot has some special way of spawning I don't/didn't know of, which is why I am asking to confirm with others in the first place.

[(Disposition)]

I don't know if Despot's lotto is different, but he spawns claimed to whoever killed his PH.

[Blackout]

Doesn't Despot only spawn claimed to the party that killed the placeholder that would have been him now?
If there is some sort of Glich that allows him to pop by zoning PHs I'm sure its not ment to be.

As far as other nms I don't believe that zoneing PHs would work. Because when SE annouched the MPK update that made mobs despawn instead of walking back and aggroing anyone in there way, they took care to say The exact same monster would reapper in its normal spot 1 min later. An NM is not the exact same monster as a normal mob

[Superbleh]

Zoning placeholders worked initially from what I remember, but was fixed pretty quickly.

[Xellith]

Blackout :
As far as other nms I don't believe that zoneing PHs would work. Because when SE annouched the MPK update that made mobs despawn instead of walking back and aggroing anyone in there way, they took care to say The exact same monster would reapper in its normal spot 1 min later. An NM is not the exact same monster as a normal mob

by exact same mob you realise that its NOT the exact same mob. Zone a T goblin and when it repops it CAN be a different level/job.

[Montgomery]

Zoning mobs to spawn Notorious Monsters doesn't work. It said in the update text when they fixed/destroyed MPK Issues/Beastmaster that when a mob de-pops from leaving it's area, the exact same mob will re-pop. Meaning that if you went through the hassle of of zoning the Valkurm Emperor's placeholder, that placeholder would just re-spawn anyways.

[MrSpoon]

I have tried this on a fair few occasions. mainly on smaller nm like dune widow , charm the ph then depop it,

the problem i had was once i did this a few times other campers called a gm on me and he aske dme not to keep doing it.

this has led me to believe that if i was doing this and there was warrent to talk to me that i was obviously destroying the pop mechanics for the nm.

I personally believe from my experiance you cant do that and doing so only will get you in trouble if others are camping, if it was a viable way to pop nm wouldnt the gm of left me alone saying that it would be fine as nm would have a chance to pop not just ph over and over again.

would be good if someone had got this to work and it was possible.

[Eladant]

Montgomery :
Zoning mobs to spawn Notorious Monsters doesn't work. It said in the update text when they fixed/destroyed MPK Issues/Beastmaster that when a mob de-pops from leaving it's area, the exact same mob will re-pop. Meaning that if you went through the hassle of of zoning the Valkurm Emperor's placeholder, that placeholder would just re-spawn anyways.

Idk about the PH reppping but your wrong that the exact same mob repops.

I charm T's force them to depop and they respawn as EM-VT

[MisutoVapira]

The question is "If I repeatedly zone PH, the NM will pop in it's place eventually..."

The answer is a big "No." That'd be too easy, and it's never worked for me. Me speaking from the standpoint of a ranger who farms NM's for his ammo. I think I have good creditablility to know what I'm talking about. Zoning PH's doesn't pop lotto NM's, probably did right after the "no more deathtrains" update, but it doesn't work today.

...I miss deathtrains... ;-;

[Teluric]

I know what your talking about, and on lakshmi a lot of groups would round up all the dolls and zone them, and it DID work in popping despot, and i never timed it, but it did seem to be a faster spawn. It has been awhile since this smn has done gods, so if that has changed idk, but i do know from experience that trying the zone idea to pop Vivian didnt work. I would grab the placeholder with an avatar, and zone it, and would do it quite often, without any luck or success. Id say cumulatively i spent maybe 3 days trying that. Of course i dont believe exact spawn reqs for Vivian have been verified or 100% found out, but i do know that specifically for that mob, it never worked for me. I hope that helps to answer that question.

[DoA]

...I miss deathtrains... ;-;

I miss...

Job Ability -> Shadowbind -> Darter

{Insert chaos here}

[Orson]

Prada I was more or less pointing out the fact you really put no thought into your post like so many people do. If you have a serious question then you should spend a few minutes researching before just randomly posting it and hoping someone will answer. I'm not attacking you but you could easily test your scenario in a very short time.

The other reason I said what I said is it seems to me that you don't have a good knowledge of NMs or how to pop them. I personally don't know whether zoning PHs works or not. Irregardless you didn't even take the time to think about the usefulness of depopping PHs. Most PHs for NMs are no where near zones what's going to take longer, killing a mob or running all the way to zone and back. I suppose a Thf could despawn sight based PHs using hide but if the Thf can't solo the PHs easily then they aren't going to kill the NM so hurray you just popped a mob you need to get help before you can kill it (hope someone doesn't come and see it.)

[Darkani]

SE clearly stated that when a depopped mob respawn it will always be the same mob that depopped.

[grahamoo]

Darkani :
SE clearly stated that when a depopped mob respawn it will always be the same mob that depopped.

Go ask any 75 BST and you'll see that SE was clearly not right about that.

[illzkla]

everyones ragging pretty bad today. i thought he asked a good question. he even provided an example.

you guys just dont know what hes talking about lol

and most people should know that SE was wrong about the same mob repopping. i dont see why it wouldnt work for normal lottery NMs. thats what Despot was til the recent patch. this would make Ose much more appealing! then again theres no zone nearby is there?

[Siyual]

grahamoo :
Go ask any 75 BST and you'll see that SE was clearly not right about that.

< Is a 75 BST. And when they made the update, they said specifically that the mob will repop the same (CONNING DIFFERENT IS NOT A NEW MOB! THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!)

You depop a T Lizard, it repops a EM Lizard. Thats not different, its still a fucking lizard.

Shortly after the update there was a glitch to where you actually could pop the NM via depoping PH's. This was fixed, and it does not work anymore.

Back when Ulli popped via PH, RMT (at least on my server) would grab the PH and depop it to prolong the time camping it for other LS's so they would get fed up and leave after 9+ hours.