[Kumbai]

Hi I have been looking into possible endgame gear for Dancer, so I though I should share it with everyone~

People will obviously disagree with some of my choices~ so feel free to add your opinions ect

TP Set

Main Hand: Jambiya(+1)/Heart Snatcher
Offhand: Joyeuse
Range/Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Optical Hat/Walahra Turban
Neck: Chivalrous Chain/Love Torque (Dagger Skill)/Peacock Charm/Fortitude Torque (Sword skill)
Ears: Brutal Earring/Suppanomimi (Alot of other things can be used on ears, so I wont really suggest anything since there are so many options, it's just Brutal Earring rocks.)
Body: Pahluwan Khazagand
Hand: Pahluwan Dastanas/Dusk Gloves
Rings: Sniper's Ring/Jaeger Ring/Woodsman Ring/Rajas Ring (Again, so many options for rings~)
Back: Cerberus Mantle/Forager's Mantle/Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Swift Belt/Life Belt (Alot of other options for waist~ just a few examples)
Legs: Pahluwan Seraweels (Not really sure what else can be used effectively on legs~)
Feet: Denali Gamashes/Dusk Ledelsens


Far from a completed list, but this focuses on ACC (for dances) and Haste (for TP/Utsu recast)~

Any suggestions are more than welcome ^^~

[AzureFlame]

First off I'm really skeptical about using a Joyeuse at all with Dancer, one the low skill, but then on top of that Dual Wielding with it.... As far as I can remember DWing with a Joyeuse lowers the Double attacked proc rate, therefore really hurting the point of the weapon. Also we don't know how Dnc is going to fit into endgame, and I know this is just an example, but I really hope were not /nin 24/7. It has its uses but meh... Aside from that it seems logical.

Edit: Spelling.

[MaikeruSMN]

If Joyeuse proves effective endgame (I'm pretty sure it will), Suppa would be best for an Earring Slot for Sword Skill and Dual Wield.

[Kumbai]

Ah yes, I forgot about Suppa /adds it to the list~

[Darthmaull]

I dont see the purpose to even try and use Joy toy for endgame. With a D in sword, you will need merits to hit HNM's and god's. Even then you may still hit for a bunch of 0's.

[Kumbai]

Changed title slightly~

With sword capping out at 210 at 75 (D), can easily push it to 231 with merits and Suppanomimi~ (which is a roughly C). Stacked up with accuracy gear hitting Meripo mobs shouldnt be too much of an issue.

In terms of HNM mobs, /SAM may be better depending on how you plan to play DNC, but it will mildly limit your TP due to Med timer. DWing Daggers could be an option. Low delay and shouldn't have too many problems with accuracy if geared well.

[Gaaraxx]

I am actually wondering why /nin is even here for endgame... Post 60 sam is going to be th best sub. Dancer is not a DD...if anything it is a support/healing....nin sub will only be good from 20-60 after that sam sub will take over. Other then that i agree with all the acc/haste gear. Everyone should try and remember though it's a TP based job so subbing nin after 60 is kinda retarded. Unless meritting at bird camp i can see subbing nin...feather tickle could be gay but then again...how much hate will dnc be pulling? All in all seems they will use the gear you put. GL.

[Kumbai]

Gaaraxx :
I am actually wondering why /nin is even here for endgame... Post 60 sam is going to be th best sub. Dancer is not a DD...if anything it is a support/healing....nin sub will only be good from 20-60 after that sam sub will take over. Other then that i agree with all the acc/haste gear. Everyone should try and remember though it's a TP based job so subbing nin after 60 is kinda retarded. Unless meritting at bird camp i can see subbing nin...feather tickle could be gay but then again...how much hate will dnc be pulling? All in all seems they will use the gear you put. GL.

Im guessing you don't know much about anything ;o. /SAM gives 60TP every 3mins. /NIN will probably out do that by quite alot. Only reason why people would sub SAM endgame is due to the high evasion of the mobs which may cause sluggish TP.

[Gaaraxx]

Kumbai :

Gaaraxx :
I am actually wondering why /nin is even here for endgame... Post 60 sam is going to be th best sub. Dancer is not a DD...if anything it is a support/healing....nin sub will only be good from 20-60 after that sam sub will take over. Other then that i agree with all the acc/haste gear. Everyone should try and remember though it's a TP based job so subbing nin after 60 is kinda retarded. Unless meritting at bird camp i can see subbing nin...feather tickle could be gay but then again...how much hate will dnc be pulling? All in all seems they will use the gear you put. GL.

Im guessing you don't know much about anything ;o. /SAM gives 60TP every 3mins. /NIN will probably out do that by quite alot. Only reason why people would sub SAM endgame is due to the high evasion of the mobs which may cause sluggish TP.

And im guessing that subbing nin and using a D-rank weapon hitting for 0 each hit would be better right? Endgame will be Sam>nin id rather be hitting once and gaining Tp for that hit then wasting a sub for 3 shadows and another weapon that wont hit for dmg...which in return means no extra TP...not to mention other sam JA's that are able to help more then /nin.... hasso?

[Kumbai]

With gear and merits, It will bring sword up to a C-... with fort torque it will between a C+ and B-, so hitting shouldnt be an issue. And although the dmg might not be massive, it will still /do/ damage, so it will give TP.


Edit: I have capped Sword on my Ninja (225 skill C) and using a Dissector (unlocked) offhand doesnt do 0 dmg. Just tested it.

[Gaaraxx]

and everyone who will be using dancer is going to have sword merits and all that gear? and will want to focus on a sword skill on a job that really doesnt need it? riiiggghhhttt....lol do what you do brother. Ill stick to my LOLsam sub when i get up there. tarutaru pride! see you at the top

Edit: oh and you tested the dissector on a HNM? on nin? {Hmm...} {That's interesting}

[Kumbai]

Well, Suppanomimi isn't that hard to get. And meriting is pretty simple...

Edit: No, on a IT THF mamool in Mool Ja Staging point.

[Gaaraxx]

again that's assming they dont have merits on something more important....lets say....maybe they have sam 75 as well....8 GK merits? 8 dagger for dnc....no more sword
and why would people choose suppa. for just dnc? lol i mean i know a lot fo people have it for dual wielding and such....but not everyone has it is what im getting at

[Kumbai]

Only person that I knew tossed there Suppanomimi was my DRK friend who has EBody and Apoc.

[Gaaraxx]

well i actually got the busho. i was planning on lvling rng and as a fellow taru you and i both know we need it...but then i stopped lvling it for cost reasons....so if i were to trade that for anything...it would have to be the abyss. seeing as how i am rdm...would be better. but yo...if you can do dmg with sword and gain TP faster that way man more power to you. im just not focusing my dnc on sword skills

[MaikeruSMN]

Without merits, with Suppa, you can push your Sword to 215. Put in sushi (you're right, DNC isn't a DD, but you better be using accuracy food anyway), and with enough accuracy gear, you should be hitting ITs at least 85% of the time anyway. If you have a BRD in the PT, you'll be hitting as normal.

Just because your skill is low to begin with doesn't mean you can't boost it by other means without merits.

And /SAM won't be totally useful as you think. Med will give you 60 TP. You can't use Hasso because you need a 2-handed weapon. And you shouldn't be pulling hate so Third Eye and other defensive skills aren't too useful either in PT.

In HNM... who knows, hasn't be fully tested yet. DNC is still new. The limits haven't been found. There aren't many boundaries yet.

[Xrave]

There is a reason THF and BSTs don't use a Ridill in their offhand.

[Nudecke]

There is a reason THF and BSTs don't use a Ridill in their offhand.

That's because they'd never get one lol. War has top priority so it's quite rare to see a THF or BST with one.

On a serious note, I will now show the math for a DNC using a Joyeuse compared to a DNC using a Jambiya. Also, keep in mind this is Meripo pts and not HNM fighting. A Jambiya has a skill cap of 250(266 with merits) and Joyeuse has a skill cap of 210(226 with merits, 231 with Suppa). There is a 31 accuracy difference between them. This means there is a 15.5% accuracy difference between them using a Suppa and having merits in both skills. Assuming you have a 95% hit rate on dagger, you will have a 79.5% acc rate on sword. In the space of 20 attack rounds the Jambiya will have attacked 19 times and 104.5 TP has been gained. In the same time, a Joyeuse will have hit 20 times and 120 TP will have been gained. I used 20 attack rounds because a merit mob will probably not last any longer than that. To sum it up:
Jambiya: 104.5 TP gained
Joyeuse: 127 TP gained.

If dual wield is accounted for, then I will do the calculations for it as well.
Jambiya+Jambiya: delay: 335(5.6s), 4.8tp per hit, 19 hits, 91.2 tp gained
Jambiya+Joyeuse: delay: 354(5.9s), 4.9tp per hit, 9 hits + 11 hits, 98 tp gained

So, if you dual wield the Joyeuse, you gain a slight increase in TP gained. If you use only the Joyeuse though, it is a quite noticeable increase in TP gained overall.

PS: Just incase some anti-nin person comes in and says that the single handing Jambiya gained more TP than the dual wielding, the two calculations above are set in two different intervals of time. In the first set, 68 seconds has passed. In the second set, 56 seconds has passed.

[Shinsei]

I only have one question, how on earth are going to hit a HNM with a D Rating skill effectively,

Pull that off and I'll be impressed.

[Cream Soda]

For legs, I'm thinking those Barbosoa thingies from the Ashu Talif