[Cloull]

Just curious if anyone knows enough Bards with Joyeuse's to do a 6 Bard party. 4 or 5 of them /nin and the other 1 (or 2) would be /whm. 4x Paeon, 2x Madrigal, 2x March, 2x Minuet, and 2x Mambo, or just 4x Minuet could equate for the low skill in sword, along with possible merits/suppanomimi. Assuming they take turns rebuffing songs so there's always 4-5 Bards attacking the mob, would it be possible to pull it off?

Basically posting out of curiosity. Flame away if you think it's stupid.

[Gunitsoldier]

It'd be fun for like 5 mins but the EXP would suck pretty much.

[ummhi]

Yeah it'd word since hate would be everywhere. Would it make a good exp pt? No.

[Klutz~]

The real problem is: Finding 6 BRDs that want to do it.

[Cloull]

I figured in the Mire chaining flies and imps since they're weak to piercing (Joyeuse). They're weak enough at 75 I figured even w/out a decent WS they'd go down fairly fast with that many Joyeuses on them that a party would still be able to pull at least 5k/hour. Granted, that's not really great being that a party with just one bard can pull 12k/hour doing Colibri or Mamool, but I figured it'd be an amusing alternative.

[Rezzy]

Joytoy won't push out the damage you want when equipped by a Brd. Also even though Joyeuse is a piercing weapon, the WS's are all considered slashing dmg.

[Cloull]

I know Joyeuse is slashing WS, I suppose that's a "my bad" for not clarifying, but I wasn't even really considering WS's too much since the best DD one a Bard has access to is Fast Blade, which will probly cap around 200 dmg from a Bard.

Using 4x Minuet (and going off the values on FFXIclopedia), assuming each version is sung with Cornette +1, that's at least +170 attack, more depending on how much +singing/+wind you have equipped. With a 220 skill that's at least 400 Attack (figuring in bonuses from STR). How much DEF does an imp/fly have that you'd have to surpass in attack to stop hitting in single digits?

Main: Joyeuse
Sub: Genbu's Shield? Blau Dolch? (before my account was keylogged, I had THF at 72, so I woulda had one of these at one point)
Head: Walahra Turban, Optical Hat
Neck: PCC, Spectacles, Chivalrous Chain
Ear: Brutal, Suppa, Coral Earring (something that gave +atk)
Body: Scorpion Harness
Hands: Tarasque Mitts
Ring: Sniper x2, Ulthalam's
Back: Amemet Mantle
Waist: Life Belt, Sword Belt +1
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Dusk Ledelsens maybe? Suzaku's Sune-Ate?

Eating sushi with double madrigal and 4x minuet, with all this gear I don't see it impossible to break an imp or fly's defense.

[Isiolia]

The ones going /NIN could use daggers mainhand too, slightly better base skill and piercing WS damage. I'd say probably ditch one Madrigal as the lower is only around 16 ACC or so. If you had a BRD split off to focus on healing, perhaps they could Etude the others. DEX etude might help crits some, along with give around half the ACC you'd get from a second Madrigal.

Probably also build a little more for haste.

I think it'd be good fun if nothing else. In some ways, Colibri might work better as AoE would be a pain in the mire.

[Lucifersama]

The problem is not "How" you find 6 bards...Its how you can have more then 4 songs and a roll.

Unless SE announced something and somehow i missed it.

[Tarl]

aoe silencega on a brd burn party = not a happy day.

Anyway, I'd do this for kicks <.<;

I would think dagger main would be the way to go though, since brd can use Evisceration which isn't too bad. Brd has access to some reasonable DD gear-

Mandau(or Blau Dolch)
Blau Dolch (or Joytoy)
Walmart Turban
Peacock Amulet
Suppa
Brutal
SH+1 (or maybe AF2 body)
Dusk gloves (+1)
Raja's ring
Ulthalam's ring
Forager's
Speed belt
Byakko's Haidate
Sheikh Crackows

Haste+22% ftw <.<
I bet some serious damage could be done with that kinda setup. But if you have that kinda gear, you prolly have a better job at DDing <.<; Oh. And no, I don't have a lot of that :3

I did see a brd~72 who was leveling into a mandau on my server once though...

[SCREAMWHENUBURN]

brutal earring? for the store tp? o.o i think there's better stuff. unless the double attack thing has effect on joyeuse(i thought it was only the /WAR JA)


lol shamaya has to see this! anyway 2 bards would have to be pulling too...so 4 bards remaining. it would probably suck. yep

[Genais]

This wouldn't work because six bards in the same party casting songs simultaneously would probably lag the zone out and require some sort of maintenance.

[Akashi@Caitsith]

SCREAMWHENUBURN :
brutal earring? for the store tp? o.o i think there's better stuff.

Name one? Brutal is an all-time piece for most jobs, including a DD BRD. Maybe you could argue that an attack earring like...Merman, or something that'll increase our overall +crit (Pixie) would be beneficial if we had a strong, multi-hit main weapon like War's with Ridill/Joyeuse, but we don't. We main hand Dagger for Evisceration, and the +5% DA certainly helps the DoT and WS. And to answer your question,

unless the double attack thing has effect on joyeuse

It doesn't stack on, ie triple attack when you'd normally double attack, but it does increase the chances of DA going off. You have the native ~50% chance of Joyeuse double attacking via the "occasionally attacks twice", then a 5% from the earring (+15% if you're subbing war).

And for the record, a fully merited DD brd with 5 other DD brds and a brd/whm (maybe add a outside whm for the first few fights) could do well on say... Colibris. The piercing bonus on both Joyeuse and would fill the gap on our B/C rating for weapons. Now good luck trying to find 5 DD brds that'll waste their time trying this out.

[Tarl]

This wouldn't work because six bards in the same party casting songs simultaneously would probably lag the zone out and require some sort of maintenance.

Naww, just go to mire and you can see that 6 brds on top of easch other is fully supported. :3

Now good luck trying to find 5 DD brds that'll waste their time trying this out.

I so would for kicks :3

brutal earring? for the store tp? o.o i think there's better stuff. unless the double attack thing has effect on joyeuse(i thought it was only the /WAR JA)

Akashi pretty much covered it, but I feel it might be worth mentioning that if it was a 2-3 or higher weapon then you'd be right I think, since the double attack proc checs before the multi-hit on the weapon (or so I've heard in sam forums regarding soboro and in kc debates). Either way, its still not a massive increase, but its quite a lot better than the increase from most single items ^^;

The effect directly stacks with the warrior JT, but will also in effect "give" it to other jobs.

[Akashi@Caitsith]

Yeah Tarl, that's why I mentioned Ridill/Joyeuse (though I didn't explain, it's partially my fault lol)

Ridill has a estimated chance of 25% Triple attack and 50% double attack. Wearing something like Brutal when you're using two "occasionally attack" weapons is actually counter productive because it gives more leeway to Double Attack. However, this isn't the case for brd (and many other jobs that use Brutal) so there shouldn't be any argument for TP: Brutal/Suppa. WS is Brutal/???.

[Flapalaculas]

When I saw this, I was like no...

And I'm still going no...

[Tarl]

When I saw this, I was like no...

And I'm still going no...

These are words of someone who missed the point.

The point is for kicks and giggles and our own amusement.

[Tit taru]

bard makes decent DD on mobs weak to piercing

Main: Blau Dolch
Sub: Mercurial Kris ( awsome to spam WS )
Head: Walahra Turban or Optical Hat ==> WS hecatomb
Neck: PCC, Spectacles, Chivalrous Chain, love torque ( both WS and tp built )
Ear: Brutal, Suppa ==> Hollow Earring
Body: Scorpion Harness or osode or AF2 ==> osode
Hands: dusk ==> hecatomb
Ring: Rajas, acc ring ==> Rajas and DEX ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Life Belt or swift belt ==> Warwolf
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Dusk Ledelsens ==> hecatomb
Instru: the harp haste +2%

I'm used to merit as brd dd sometimes. I'm thief 75 aswell, with dagger merit ( they help a lot for accuracy ). I eat squid sushi, even on colibri, it cost a lot, but you cant really hit IT mobs without sushi. 240 skill is low, event 256 is not enought. 21% on gear makes you as fast as any standard DD, and with sushi it's almost the same accuracy. Damage are really decent, WS goes from 400 to 1300, probably 750 on average, with mercurial kris. In 2 brd pt, you got 4 songs ( marchx2 madri minnuet ).

SS at Greater colibri camp



On Roc ( whm + nin + brd dd, cant remember the song on me, maybe dex etude to max WS ( edit: looks like it was ballad ^^))



Sadly I dont gave joyeuse, but I dont think it will work as good, our sword skill is really low, even torque + suppa + merit = 210+16+7+5 = 238 VS 240+16+7=263 dagger at max ( not sure on number, i'm off line )

[Akashi@Caitsith]

Our sword caps @220 , and I'd use PCC over Torque if you're DWing Dagger/Sword anyways.

[SCREAMWHENUBURN]

Akashi@Caitsith :

SCREAMWHENUBURN :
brutal earring? for the store tp? o.o i think there's better stuff.

Name one?

Minuet Earring
Diabolos's Earring
Hollow Earring
Suppanomimi
Delta Earring
Pixie Earring
Amorph Earring

hell i'd wear my Shell Earring +1 over Brutal earring on BRD anyday. Resist Vs. Fire +3, Resist Vs. Lightning -2, Resist Vs. Water +3 FUCK YES