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in the arena they cant run much eventualy theyll end up running into a corner or into another of your team members.


Makes for quite the fun pincer attack, especially with a cheap-ass rouge stun-locking everyone into the ground. When you have enough time to kidney shot, disarm, break into dance, and still stun them again before they can react, they know they're in for a hella good time!

One last thing... I've always wondered because I for one have not seen a thread myself but on the WoW forums do people talk about FFXI, wanting to play/quitting it and coming to WoW or whatever?


I'd imagine so, as I think every MMO (game with an active playerbase and a comparable rival game) has it. I remember when PSU was about to drop, tons of people were talking about how they were going to go there, but last I hear, PSU is absolute garbage and many migrated back.
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Fenrir is really small in ballista size compared to how it was. Its nice because now matches still happen pretty much every time 60-uncap swing around but now there are less pricks and they're smaller. I really only transferred over to fenrir because I was so sick of the JP on bismarck.
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I must be the only person in the world that liked the JP better than the NA in ballista. It was probably because I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, and I always had little patience for the new people that would come in with full AF, run around like they owned the place, get raped, and then proceed to badmouth ballista. The JP always seemed to stay sit back and watch when they were new players, then contributed once they learned the ropes.

I just don't see the point of being arrogant and a braggart when you're brand new at something.
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Lucavi :
I must be the only person in the world that liked the JP better than the NA in ballista. It was probably because I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, and I always had little patience for the new people that would come in with full AF, run around like they owned the place, get raped, and then proceed to badmouth ballista. The JP always seemed to stay sit back and watch when they were new players, then contributed once they learned the ropes.

I just don't see the point of being arrogant and a braggart when you're brand new at something.


Probably the only thing I'll agree with Lucavi on.

Besides the language barrier, JPs are just so much more organized in ballista. It's a wonder how fast I can convey a simple message using auto-trans to the JPs and they'll, for the most part, understand. Where as it takes me almost the entire match to convince a NA that what he is doing is crippling our team ("'lego your damn ego").

On alexander, the JPs ballista in OMs, while the NAs proceed to calling out people into the dioramas for 1v1 (lol)
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Eh, I got sick of the JP on bismarck because they were completely about their score and only their score. We ended up with staring matches for a half a match because no one wanted to risk their score. Fenrir has indeed gotten better since everyone bad mouthed fenrir and people left. I also might like fenrir better because theres more good NA players. To be honest, I'm just overall sick of the JP from bismarck. I don't feel like spending $25 bucks (Good job on that SE too, $25 bucks for a process that takes 3 min, money well spent -.-). Fenrir's NA and JP community are basically equal in skill and size. Its nice having ballista in my time zone.
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lmao, actually on the wow forums they dont talk about ffxi, why? because its not in its league. they might start talking about WAR when it comes out soon, which I must try Ill admit haha

Arenas are really the only thing anyone cares about on wow, if you really think about it, it does take the most skill. Team work and all that, Im sorry but if you enjoy the running around a huge map protecting stuff, they do have the battlegrounds which are more involved then ballista.

Yeah wow has a huge kiddie / teen base, because well, who else plays these games if you think about it. And the one thing Ive learned from wow, horde usually tends to help out random strangers in quests then alliance, or if you have trouble with gankers horde usually respond sooner. I love the fact that I can solo to 70 and not have to depend on random morons in a pt, 70 is the max lvl till next expansion. But yes if you arent playing with people you know, wow can be boring, Im pretty sure Ive said that too.
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Temadian :
lmao, actually on the wow forums they dont talk about ffxi, why? because its not in its league. they might start talking about WAR when it comes out soon, which I must try Ill admit haha

Arenas are really the only thing anyone cares about on wow, if you really think about it, it does take the most skill. Team work and all that, Im sorry but if you enjoy the running around a huge map protecting stuff, they do have the battlegrounds which are more involved then ballista.

Yeah wow has a huge kiddie / teen base, because well, who else plays these games if you think about it. And the one thing Ive learned from wow, horde usually tends to help out random strangers in quests then alliance, or if you have trouble with gankers horde usually respond sooner. I love the fact that I can solo to 70 and not have to depend on random morons in a pt, 70 is the max lvl till next expansion. But yes if you arent playing with people you know, wow can be boring, Im pretty sure Ive said that too.


Wait wait, so they don't talk about FFXI on their forums... why do you talk about WoW on FFXI forums? Because you're cool amirite? That always puzzled me... Sure people talked about PSU but that was strictly in the "other games" section where it's okay to bring up other games that are new and up and coming or that are all time favorites /runonsentence. The one convenient thing about WoW that it has over FFXI I'll admit is you don't have to wait for other people and because of that people feel that they themselves have accomplished goals on their own and it feels better to them, so you can be the most moronic brain dead ADHD retard and still get to 70 on your own accord and then even do a lot of things sans big raids.

As great as you guys say WoW is you just seem like FFXI rejects/quitters just here to promote a game you feel good about playing. If WoW's so great stick to WoW forums... maybe?

/endrant ... I'm making nachos.
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actually if you go back it started off with gelwain and me just mentioning crap about the game towards each other for the most part. Then someone interjects their opinion about a game they have either little to no experience playing, because we attacked the only mmorpg most of them have even played before. Im sorry Ive played different mmorpg and know how to tell what I enjoy. And since you obviously just read the part about wow, you dont realize we still play ff11, at least I think he's quiting soon he said in a post.

Why do I play both? Because I love ballista, ballista not the raiding, not the exp grind, not the majority of morons that fill the game. Everyone on my friends list I met through ballista, and those people are great, good friend is from the UK, if he were to get wow, he'd be on the EU servers not NA. Im on sirens with some of the old hades jp I started ballista with, they are dam great to play around with, A few other friends are just stubborn and refuse to even try out wow, which I dont mind, I dont force it down their throat. And no, Im not forcing it down your throat either, you know what this post has become and you dont have to click it, but you do and then you post some other random BS because you dont know how to stop and want the last word
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Temadian :
actually if you go back it started off with gelwain and me just mentioning crap about the game towards each other for the most part. Then someone interjects their opinion about a game they have either little to no experience playing, because we attacked the only mmorpg most of them have even played before. Im sorry Ive played different mmorpg and know how to tell what I enjoy. And since you obviously just read the part about wow, you dont realize we still play ff11, at least I think he's quiting soon he said in a post.


I'm gonna take a risk here and assume you are insinuating me.

Well I'm sorry if you think that me mentioning that SE cares little about their own PvP and calling FFXI and WoW "apples and oranges" makes me seem like I am injecting my opinion about WoW which I have no/little experience playing. Infact, after simply making that remark, is when this thread took a turn for the worse, which was clearly not of my doing. And this is hardly the only mmorpg I have ever played. I've played FFXI, WoW, PSO&PSU, and Maple Story. And even trying to compare them is futile, at best.

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If you were not implying me, kindly ignore this post.
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Temadian :
actually if you go back it started off with gelwain and me just mentioning crap about the game towards each other for the most part. Then someone interjects their opinion about a game they have either little to no experience playing, because we attacked the only mmorpg most of them have even played before. Im sorry Ive played different mmorpg and know how to tell what I enjoy. And since you obviously just read the part about wow, you dont realize we still play ff11, at least I think he's quiting soon he said in a post.

Why do I play both? Because I love ballista, ballista not the raiding, not the exp grind, not the majority of morons that fill the game. Everyone on my friends list I met through ballista, and those people are great, good friend is from the UK, if he were to get wow, he'd be on the EU servers not NA. Im on sirens with some of the old hades jp I started ballista with, they are dam great to play around with, A few other friends are just stubborn and refuse to even try out wow, which I dont mind, I dont force it down their throat. And no, Im not forcing it down your throat either, you know what this post has become and you dont have to click it, but you do and then you post some other random BS because you dont know how to stop and want the last word


Regardless if you still play FFXI, this isn't a WoW forum. Not that I can tell you "Don't talk about WoW here" and I could give two poops about the last word. I just want you to know that you're talking about something in a place where no one cares about it, and to continue doing so would only make dumb threads like this which are just an eyesore.

If you like WoW, cool go to WoW forums to be all "Omg WoW PvP is so awesome!" not come here to have something better to talk about and make you look like someone of a higher class because you're saying "this is better!" just because you can.

If you like FFXI ballista, that's cool too but please for sanity's sake don't mix the two.

Also no, I didn't just read the part about WoW, I feel that reject/quitter summed the two of you WoWkids up. You have to grind to get to the level cap for ballista, you have to raid to get some of the better gear to play in ballista, and you have to deal with morons nearly the entire time. Complain about it all ya want but that's what MMOs are, a huge time sink filled with idiots. Most people that say "Oh I only like this about " is because they fail at everything else about it. Some are good at it but they just dislike it but I'm detecting a massive amount of fail from you '_'.
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Steadily going downhill....for obvious reasons.
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theres a reason uncap is by far the least popular cap, and thats because it doesnt take much real skill. I may not have raided in ff11, because thats not what I came here for, came for ballista, and in the lower caps, me with my I think it was 3 or 4 merits, do just fine against people with max merits. Now Im not saying I never raided, just not a lot in this game. Yes raiding is the same in every mmorpg. I did it for years in EQ, done with it now though, waste of my time for drama that usually follows it. Going to not comment about it anymore, like I said before, me and him were posting to eachother about wow, then the rest of you decided to interject your opinion of omgwowsucks, where you didnt even have to say a thing and it would have died off long ago. And yes NA really killed ballista, everyone has their ego and when they realize they arent that great tend to not go back to ballista.
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And the one thing Ive learned from wow, horde usually tends to help out random strangers in quests then alliance, or if you have trouble with gankers horde usually respond sooner.


Alliance are dicks. I know more kids play alliance than horde, and I find it hilarious that the supposed "good guys" are really the ones who gank more, start more fights, attack more towns, and are generally far more rude than Horde. BGs are no exceptions -- you'll rarely see an orc or troll laughing at a downed opponent, but you'll see EVERY gnome under the sun dancing on corpses and laughing and spitting, which is cool, as it just makes me lust after alliance blood even more.

As great as you guys say WoW is you just seem like FFXI rejects/quitters just here to promote a game you feel good about playing. If WoW's so great stick to WoW forums... maybe?


I can "seem" like whatever I want to you. Your opinion of me means nothing to me, so ask me to "go to the WoW" forums as much as you want -- I'm not going. I'm talking to a friend here. Most of my friends are here. All of my posts are here. If you don't like it, put me on ignore, but for heaven's sake, save your fingertips and stop posting for us to head off to the WoW forums. WoW doesn't need to have its PVP system improved -- blizzard is already doing that without me saying anything -- so why would I need to be over there? FFXI is the one with the near-dead PVP. I don't see anything that blizzard has made dangling from life support.

Get over yourself -- when SE introduces new PVP content, or at the very least, and update to ballista, then you'll hear dozens of threads about it. You make it seem like the PVP forms are just BURSTING with dozens of viable threads, every day! No, this place is a shell of its former self, because ballista is a withered husk of what it once was. You should be glad that anyone is talking about anything PVP related in here.

Continue with your "go back to WoW" crusade if you like, but realize that it is utterly futile.

actually if you go back it started off with gelwain and me just mentioning crap about the game towards each other for the most part. Then someone interjects their opinion about a game they have either little to no experience playing, because we attacked the only mmorpg most of them have even played before. Im sorry Ive played different mmorpg and know how to tell what I enjoy. And since you obviously just read the part about wow, you dont realize we still play ff11, at least I think he's quiting soon he said in a post.


Pretty much. You were free not to post a reply here if you didn't like what was being said, haha. Two old rivals -- two of the best players ever to grace the scene -- talking about old PVP times -- isn't that what a PVP forum is about? Where are your brand new posts? Where are your revolutionary contributions to the PVP scene? It seems all you can do is try to defend FFXI when neither of us care about trying to attack it -- we just want changes to it obviously more than you do, because we enjoyed Ballista for what it was, and what it could easily become with a little work.

Also no, I didn't just read the part about WoW, I feel that reject/quitter summed the two of you WoWkids up. You have to grind to get to the level cap for ballista, you have to raid to get some of the better gear to play in ballista, and you have to deal with morons nearly the entire time. Complain about it all ya want but that's what MMOs are, a huge time sink filled with idiots. Most people that say "Oh I only like this about " is because they fail at everything else about it. Some are good at it but they just dislike it but I'm detecting a massive amount of fail from you '_'.


Hilarious. So this is your big contribution when you finally stop talking about us talking about WoW? This is what you think PVP is all about? Apparently you've never heard about premades, or Ballista Royale, or even team-based devestation on the PVP battlefield. PVP isn't always about who can pwn the most n00bs -- the best matches are between skilled opponents, regardless of the game, or location. The fact that you have to resort to personal attacks, attempting to tag us as some rookies, is hilarious, especially considering what they say about assumptions.

Well I'm sorry if you think that me mentioning that SE cares little about their own PvP


And isn't that what all of us really care about? Don't think Tema and myself are some anti-FFXI trolls. Its just that with FFXI, bashing something is flawed, along with sending e-mails, letters, quests, and messages to GMs (all of which I've done on various occations, save for the latter) is the best way to get them to do something about it. When everyone cried about RMT, they started fixing it. When everyone cried about the account thefts, they started fixing it. When everyone cried about server congestion for updates, they worked on it. When everyone cried for cheaper limbus, they adjusted it. When everyone cried for a resolution to the DDoS attacks, they went to battle against the attackers. When people cried for a greater equality between weapons, they responded with the (modified) 2-handed adjustment, and raising the base damage on daggers.

Why do you think that a revamped, re-dedicated focus to a dying PVP would be any different? SE does not listen if you do not cry out. If you're absolutely 100% content with the way ballista is right now, then where are the masses and masses of constantly updated threads on the forums? Where are the massive linkshells of PVP crews, and where are all of the epic videos of these amazing tournaments that people are hosting? Saying this is a PVE game means nothing if they've actually included PVP. One update per expansion could be enough to keep it revitalized -- you seriously wouldn't even want to fight for that much?

theres a reason uncap is by far the least popular cap, and thats because it doesnt take much real skill. I may not have raided in ff11, because thats not what I came here for, came for ballista, and in the lower caps, me with my I think it was 3 or 4 merits, do just fine against people with max merits. Now Im not saying I never raided, just not a lot in this game.


I've HNMed and all that mumbo-jumbo in this game, with maxed merits, some HQ gear, blah blah, so I'm different from Tema. You can't get much better than my drg out there in ballista, but even still, the uncapped scene is so unbalanced due to actual job differences that gear isn't really the defining factor. A blu and rdm will just about rape anything, and a well-geared pld and mnk dominates the next cap. Then you have the jobs like smn, that fail in each and every cap, because of imbalance. Skill is far more important than gear, because theres a few JP on Hades that used to never twink out their gear, but had amazing skill and still cleaned house. Building the gear around your skilled way of playing yielded the best results, because it was always fun to watch that gilbuying NA idiot stroll into a 60 cap in all blues and get his shit tossed around like a rag doll, and watch him run off with his tail between his legs.

The sad part is that that skill is really only a knowledge of what to use, when, and what to avoid. Timing was just about everything in ballista, especially with hilarious features like lag-induced tp loss from weapon skills, and the JP players have a distinct lag advantage in certain locations. The fact that people couldn't grasp the basic features of ballista was amusing, and yet frustrating to us veterans, who had to deal with their blunders in our matches.
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I cant wait for next patch on wow /cough instant honor so amazing!


and so the ff11 freaks dont cry too much, I think its funny that they are barely getting rid of spell lag for non ballista, at least be thankful they got rid of that for us as early as they did biggrin.gif
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I'm looking forward to the anti WSG turtle implimentation.

As for FFXI, I'm hoping that the anti-lag adjustment affects ALL spells, not just cures. Bard songs, cor rolls, poisonga, and the like are just as bad is being stuck in a perpetual cure cycle. That stuff is murder in ballista if you've just started to engage someone, or just finished disengaging.
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Everyone that comes to this thread should direct themselves 3 posts up and just go away.
So that's where everyones been hiding, WoW huh?
I guess I'll go back to searching diorama to see some people battling it out and not realizing why they can't move around after a WS due to their nifty gear swap macro.
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AV may be fun at lvl 60 gelwain
but its just a zerg fest at lvl 70 which normally ends up as alliance win because of unbalenced map though on the rare occasions horde will acturrly work together and defend and bottle neck the alliance at iceblood and drain their reinforcements.
so I may just lvl one of my other chars to 60 and enjoy an AV game where people don't care about the honor
As for arena while its very good because it doesn't require alot of time to do 10 matches a week if you just want the points. I hate it since im currently mutilate speced for PVE (one thing I hate about wow is most jobs have one spec good for PVE and one good for PVP and its to expensive to keep changing) 'OH LOL I GOT MY BACK TO A WALL YOU CANT MUTILATE ME' and its a bitch to get behind your oponnant when not stunned anyway.
Oh and as for the whole alliance are kids and horde is better I have trouble beliving that on my battlegroup horde horde couldn't win an empty AB but thats because im EU and if you thought JP ONRY was bad SSSWWWWEEEEE????????? is alot worse.
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