[Phil]

I thought Corsair sucked.
I thought their buffs where trash.
I thought their damage was ridiculously low.
I thought they couldn't fill a DD role.
I thought they couldn't fill a support role.
I thought they had no roll other than looking fine in parties with their AF.
I thought they just completely sucked.

Why did I think this? It's never above 20 online at all times when I do random searches of "/sea all ".

When I went to level it to see why nobody was a COR, I very quickly found out why.

Chayaya

The bitch loves being take prisoner. So, what do you do when you can't afford a job defining ability, and when you do you can't buy it 'cause the NPC is taken prisoner and nobody wants to get that particular one back? Do you just shout in White Gate all day/week/month long until people help? Do you level a new job? Use another roll and say they are just blind if they see another roll on instead of the one it should be?

Is Corsair really powerful, or did SE just wanna annoy the fuck out of them with having some of their best scrolls sold from an NPC who is taken prisoner after every single Besieged that happens? Seriously wtf. Mine is only lv10 right now, but holy fuck this is just retarded. I haven't seen that NPC in going on a month now. All you COR mains have my sympathy. I kind of wanna take it to 75, but this is starting to be a real draw back and motivation-killer.

EDIT: I've never partied with a COR beyond Qufim, so I don't know how good or bad they are later on. Healer's Roll was nice.

[Raidon_666]

so i dont really know what you "finally understand" about a job that you
A)only have at lvl 10 .. and
B)have only partied with up to Qufim and no further

1::I thought Corsair sucked. -- thats your opinion =)
2::I thought their buffs where trash. -- you were wrong. i mean wtf kind of statement is this cor buffs are shit hot
3::I thought their damage was ridiculously low. -- again you were wrong, yes there not up to par with say RNG or something but they can still do pretty fine damage
4::I thought they couldn't fill a DD role. -- hmmm i probley wouldnt pick a cor if i needed a pure DD
5::I thought they couldn't fill a support role. -- out of cor and brd id pick brd if i needed pure support other wise cor is good aswell
6::I thought they had no roll other than looking fine in parties with their AF. -- we certainly do look fine but since when is that the only thing cor does in a pt?!
7::I thought they just completely sucked. -- again, your opinion

2:: you cant comment on this as you havnt partied past qufim with a cor.. you think giving more double attack% is trash?, you think giving a possible 5mp/tick is trash? you think giving magic attack bonus is trash? and thats just 3 examples..

3:: ive seen cor do crazy damage.. and ive had people tell me storys of crazy damage too, again you probley shouldnt comment on this as you havnt partied with a cor past qufim (and if i remember rightly my damage in qufim once i got a gun was pretty high anyway..)

4:: see above.... however for pure DD no, i would rather pick a war or something

5:: we CAN be support only but why? we bring so much more than just a couple of rolls to the pt... if i had a choice out of brd and cor for SUPPORT .. it would probely totally depend on the setup

6:: again, i gave 3 examples of what a cor can do at 2, however, double attack+, attack/ratt+, hMP+, Refresh, store tp+, evasion+, acc+, MAB+, MDB+, spell interuption rate-, EXP+, M.acc+, Crit hit rate%+, and the rest dont really get thought about unless needed, then theres DD potential, then you got sleep+dispel, then you can enhance things such as slow, paralyze etc. +do damage whilest doing that ... so how is looking good the only thing we do in a pt? (but lol gallants roll)


yes the npc getting ... npcnapped???lol, is anoying but its really not hard to get them back, theres also rolls in nashmau and sometimes you can find them on AH.

im not flaming you i just think you are a bit ignorant wich is because you judged WAY to early to know if u
A)like the job to personally yourself level, and
B)like the job to party with

really.. the first 30 levels or so arnt anything to judge off, i really liked rdm up till 60 then i just stopped liking it.. i disliked cor up to about 35ish(i think cos pre 40~ not many people understand what there doing??) then i though this is actually really fun

so give it a chance before you start swearing and assuming and hating

[Kuroshi]

The one time Chayaya was gone when I needed her was when I dinged 40, and I went and solo'd the Trolls nearby and freed her myself, did that too for turban.

Corsair DMG is nearly identical to RNGs in DoT, their Acc is alot lower though until 60. Many rolls are never used or 'shit is situational' most common is corsair's and chaos.

Warlocks and Wizards are fantastic for BLM parties or in KS99, vs gods/jailers ect. SMN + BST roll is awesome for SMN parties(if you actually use em), PLD BRD DRG are the only useless rolls I think.

I didn't see my Corsair's dmg slip under the gap til exactly 72, when alot of other jobs get lots of pretty gear. For meripo, Corsair's roll is the best roll there is. An extra 15% exp per mob cannot be achieved through any other roll we have to offer(on average).

Since the buffs to rolls like Hunter's and Chaos are even more useful than they were previously. COR can also do alot of different things in a party; nin sub you can pull with peacemaker but would rather not WS with one, war sub is all out dd minus your rolls, rng sub is nice for barrage and sharpshot but I never use it anymore, whm sub probably my favorite it's been very useful and managed to get chain 32 once on mamool as the sole healer. DNC sub, I seen it once, looks very nice but the COR was an idiot, or really slow or something.

COR with right gear can solo kited things as well with Quick Draw, ix'mnk and foritutde come to mind. On Ouryu or other HNMs, it's nice to see Corsair use X Shot for 300+ and BLM uses tier4 or AM2 nuke for 200~

Quick Draw seems to have a very high dmg/accuracy rate for it, and it's alot better than MNK Chi blasting, where you have 3 min of boosting for a 11 second window to chi in.

Back when elegy was effected by Earth Shot, it was severely broken, but now I don't really use shots to improve that sort of thing unless it's silence, or gravity, or dia(on a zerg with light shot)

Cor is a really nice job though.

[Jejerou]

Raidon_666 :
so i dont really know what you "finally understand"

Finally understands why no one levels COR.
Phil (as stated many times) thought it was because they had gimp buffs, gimp damage, yadiyadi.
Phil now understands it's because the NPC who sells the majority of our dice to us is always captive.

And you're half right..
NPC taken hostage is annoying, yeah. Especially if no one goes to save her.
The reason no one levels COR is because of the prices of those dice. I believe Wizard's Roll is 108,000 gil?
I guess you wouldn't know that since the NPC hasn't been there.
Also, factor in price of bullets and cards, along with uncommon HQ crafted items for the best gear for COR, you've got yourself a nice little money pit.

[Raidon_666]

Jejerou :

Raidon_666 :
so i dont really know what you "finally understand"

Finally understands why no one levels COR.
Phil (as stated many times) thought it was because they had gimp buffs, gimp damage, yadiyadi.
Phil now understands it's because the NPC who sells the majority of our dice to us is always captive.

And you're half right..
NPC taken hostage is annoying, yeah. Especially if no one goes to save her.
The reason no one levels COR is because of the prices of those dice. I believe Wizard's Roll is 108,000 gil?
I guess you wouldn't know that since the NPC hasn't been there.
Also, factor in price of bullets and cards, along with uncommon HQ crafted items for the best gear for COR, you've got yourself a nice little money pit.

ugh i totally forgot about the price of dice and stuff lol.. that put me off also but i bit the bullet (i made a pun lol) and just went for it and it was totally worth it

too many people buy cards from AH and forget you can buy them from nashmau or on the ferry(yea its tedius but you can also stick them in a case to save going back for a while), i belive a stack of dark cards are 8k on asura on AH (possible i dunno i havnt checked) but 4~k from the npc

the gear for cor isnt expensive at all really (not including bullets) most the guns can be crafted for cheaper than they can be bought at AH, alot of the gear you can get can last you a while (gun belt comes to mind and i cant be bothered to think of any more) and alot of the good stuff is free also (yes there is expensive gear there is for EVERY job)

i think you picked my first comment up wrong i wasnt flaming or being nasty i just generally thought Phil made assumption on the fact that the cor is 10 and had bad pt experiance with cor

edit:i also just found out you can craft all cards with 17 alchemy skill and the materials are like.. stupid cheap lol (not sure how much clusters go for but farming them is not exactly hard)
so i just learned something new yey lol

someone on asura invite me goddammit

[Jejerou]

Raidon_666 :
ugh i totally forgot about the price of dice and stuff lol.. that put me off also but i bit the bullet (i made a pun lol) and just went for it and it was totally worth it

Same. Still deciding if the later ones will be worth it. xD

too many people buy cards from AH and forget you can buy them from nashmau or on the ferry(yea its tedius but you can also stick them in a case to save going back for a while), i belive a stack of dark cards are 8k on asura on AH (possible i dunno i havnt checked) but 4~k from the npc

10,000 for a Case, 100,000 for 12 cases. [Titan]
or~
4,752 + Flower for a case, 57,024 + 12 Flowers for 12 cases.
That's only a matter of having someone to hold cards for your while you go to Windurst, or sending them to someone in Windurst. Or just having an ass ton of space.

the gear for cor isnt expensive at all really (not including bullets) most the guns can be crafted for cheaper than they can be bought at AH, alot of the gear you can get can last you a while (gun belt comes to mind and i cant be bothered to think of any more) and alot of the good stuff is free also (yes there is expensive gear there is for EVERY job)

True, but mostly because there's nothing that stands out for COR other than AF, Palawahalamala, and Nyzul/Salvage.

i think you picked my first comment up wrong i wasnt flaming or being nasty i just generally thought Phil made assumption on the fact that the cor is 10 and had bad pt experiance with cor

Didn't take it that way. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

edit:i also just found out you can craft all cards with 17 alchemy skill and the materials are like.. stupid cheap lol (not sure how much clusters go for but farming them is not exactly hard)
so i just learned something new yey lol

It's actually cheaper to just buy them unless you can HQ2 reliably.

i bit the bullet (i made a pun lol)

lol..

[Ludomancer]

I think I rescued her 3 times leveling up.
THF75 with Key Ring Belt is handy. If you aren't one, then find one. :]

And yes, COR is a ridiculously helpful job. It takes a while to mature like all the others.

[Spoonykipper]

Well 63 thf with the key ring belt =p I can try and help (also on fairy if you need a hand trying to get the npc)

[Kisama]

I think most people are turned off by seeing JP COR/WHM playing support onry.

[Shaoli]

Kisama :
I think most people are turned off by seeing JP COR/WHM playing support onry.

Indeed. I can't even tell you how many /tells I get from people who want to lvl up COR but feel skeptical of it being a DD/support job when almost all the COR (which happen to be mostly JP) sub /WHM. I also guess I'm the only one getting /tells cuz I'm the only one that speaks english lol

Not gonna flame /WHM; it has its time and place and people should play whatever way they want... but out of 5-8 active COR on search, I'm usually the only one that subs /RNG or /NIN...

The money factor is what kills people half-way lvling COR tho. I didn't start meleeing til I could use Joyuese, so using range attacks for TP, the expensive dice, gear and have stock of element cards definitely took me under. I had to quit lvling COR every now and then just so I could farm enough money to get gear/bullets for the next set of lvls.

[Ludomancer]

Not gonna flame /WHM; it has its time and place and people should play whatever way they want... but out of 5-8 active COR on search, I'm usually the only one that subs /RNG or /NIN...

I don't get it either...
I've stopped flagging up for pickups on COR since inevitably I'll get something like "Sorry, the JP in our group says you need /WHM"

When I play along, we go to somewhere like Colibri and I literally cannot Cure anyone because the RDM has +10-11 auto refresh and casts faster than I do. It's like watching paint dry.

[Xmacabrex]

i leveled pup and cor and to be quiet honest, i think there are more pups than cors on at all times on midgard.

I dont really mind meriting on it, id rather play pup just because cor is so expensive right now (bullets being 20k a stack)

the job still is still probably the least represented in all aspects of the game (i.e. meriting, limbus, dynamis, etc)

Maybe this Quick Draw Charges update and new rolls will spring some new life into the job

[Raidon_666]

Shaoli :

Kisama :
I think most people are turned off by seeing JP COR/WHM playing support onry.

The money factor is what kills people half-way lvling COR tho. I didn't start meleeing til I could use Joyuese, so using range attacks for TP, the expensive dice, gear and have stock of element cards definitely took me under. I had to quit lvling COR every now and then just so I could farm enough money to get gear/bullets for the next set of lvls.

lol yea i also didnt start melee 'till i could use joyeuse and wow does it save you. the money spent pre joytoy was stupid though i really couldnt hack lvling RNG or NIN to 75 LOL.

i rarely see /whm on Asura.. then again there isnt tons of 75 cor on asura. i guess it could be used for, umm? i dunno /rdm seems to fill spots where /rng or /nin wont to be honest???

yey just hit 75 cor

[Spoonykipper]

Grats on lv75 XD

[Brayker]

I thought Corsair sucked.
I thought their buffs where trash.
I thought their damage was ridiculously low.
I thought they couldn't fill a DD role.
I thought they couldn't fill a support role.
I thought they had no roll other than looking fine in parties with their AF.
I thought they just completely sucked.

Stop thinking.. just stop!

you base your 'thoughts' on a job you havent gotten past a newblet lvl when you only have 2 rolls? You cant even use a gun yet, and your already gimping Cor on damage? You havent pt's with a Cor past qufim island and you think were useless...


god I hope your sterile

[Raidon_666]

Brayker :
god I hope your sterile

lol sry that was funny

Spoonykipper :
Grats on lv75 XD

thankyou, just put my 1st merit into snake-eye, marksmanship and QDrecast.. (got 5 merits in last pt so thought id spend them all =D

[Jejerou]

Brayker :

I thought Corsair sucked.
I thought their buffs where trash.
I thought their damage was ridiculously low.
I thought they couldn't fill a DD role.
I thought they couldn't fill a support role.
I thought they had no roll other than looking fine in parties with their AF.
I thought they just completely sucked.

Stop thinking.. just stop!

you base your 'thoughts' on a job you havent gotten past a newblet lvl when you only have 2 rolls? You cant even use a gun yet, and your already gimping Cor on damage? You havent pt's with a Cor past qufim island and you think were useless...


god I hope your sterile

..He wasn't saying 'Corsair sucks.'
He was saying 'I noticed no one is leveling Corsair. I wonder why. Here's a list of possible reason that I've thought up that I now believe to be false.'

If you'd actually read, it's a rant about obtaining Phantom Rolls on his server, not putting COR down. He even admits to not knowing the job very well.

Wishing someone sterile because you can't read? :dozingoff

[Dragich]

/whm sub means cheap bastard doesn't want to shoot. /rng and Vulcan's staff if you got big balls! (ok and i got some marksmanship merits)

[Brayker]

If you'd actually read, it's a rant about obtaining Phantom Rolls on his server, not putting COR down. He even admits to not knowing the job very well.

Wishing someone sterile because you can't read?

ok, well I hope people who thought like Phil previously has is sterile!

It sucks that ffxi hates you phil, it sounds like thier kidnapping your COR dice NPC and no one else, just to piss you off. the only NPC that Ive noticed being stolen was the auction house manager

[OddJin]

I had to save that damn dice NPC 3 times while leveling up COR.
Once at 40 for Evokers
again at 49 for Fighters
and the at 55? For Wizards.
Unless you go ahead and buy all your dice before you level up, it can be par for the course.

And about /whm being only for cheap bastards....shit is situational, plenty of times /whm will be a much better choice than /rng, but then again the opposite is also true.