[Mystikat]

Vicious Mufflers: Rare/Ex
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 18 Magic Atk. Bonus +5
Enhances effect of "Absorb spells"

Lv. 70 BLM/DRK/SCH

Drops off a new NM named Bloodlapper in Meriphtaud Mountains [S], looks like a nice alternative to Zenith Mitts for those the don't do sky events.

[shigo]

Personally I like the fit from the Zenith Mitts especially how they fit at the wrist.
I could throw my hand and it wont go flying off. I like that...

[rambus]

i been depeating if i should get these for sch.. this or yiget.. it is a tuffie

[Daiiawn_]

in my eyes these are like z mitts -1, nice and easy to get (a group of 5 can get 2-3 pairs within a few hours) and look great for those who dont want to do sky/salvage, ill be picking up a pair for my sch eventually, unless SE adds them to morrigans of course

[Fredjan]

When it comes to SCH:

To be honest, I'd go with Yigit Gages instead. Seems to me that INT+5 and MAB+2 would do more for SCH than MAB+5. I'd say the same thing concerning Yigit Gomlek vs. Errant/Mahatma Houppelande, I'd probably go with the INT.

When it comes to BLM:

Good zmitts alternative without the "Convert HP to MP 50" stat.

[Drucifer]

Frankly i hate most -hp items, I die by 1-35 over my max hp so often to aoes in things that I rather like these as opposed to Z mitts, also like the free part :love more gil in my pocket.

[drwaffles]

-HP is not a viable reason to dislike using Zenith Mitts. If that alone poses a significant threat to your health (only around a quarter of the HP -> MP needed to activate a Taru's Sorcerer's Ring) then you're doing something wrong. Rocking the SCH sub, perhaps? These are essentially a waste of an inventory slot for any BLM that uses Sorcerer's Ring, and even if you don't use it you're sacrificing an extra 50 max MP unnecessarily.

[rambus]

-HP is not a viable reason to dislike using Zenith Mitts. If that alone poses a significant threat to your health (only around a quarter of the HP -> MP needed to activate a Taru's Sorcerer's Ring) then you're doing something wrong. Rocking the SCH sub, perhaps? These are essentially a waste of an inventory slot for any BLM that uses Sorcerer's Ring, and even if you don't use it you're sacrificing an extra 50 max MP unnecessarily.

lol:love

[Wakmidget]

Could use the Yigit Gages for Helix Spells and use the Vicious Mufflers for normal nukes, that's what I'm thinking about doing once my SCH get high enough to equip them.

[Drucifer]

drwaffles :
-HP is not a viable reason to dislike using Zenith Mitts. If that alone poses a significant threat to your health (only around a quarter of the HP -> MP needed to activate a Taru's Sorcerer's Ring) then you're doing something wrong. Rocking the SCH sub, perhaps? These are essentially a waste of an inventory slot for any BLM that uses Sorcerer's Ring, and even if you don't use it you're sacrificing an extra 50 max MP unnecessarily.

I dont have a sorc ring and getting one isnt a priority for me. I do a significant number of things in small groups where i cannot afford to be outside of AoE range lest my party suffers. Frankly I end of subbing whm most of the time because as metioned before, small groups need different kind of support, if i didnt do these kinds of things and only brough blm out for times when the ls did things where the term "blm party" is used then sure -hp would be a totally bunk excuse (and /sch isnt even funny who would really do that?).

My point is I die by aprox 35 or less (and survive by the same ammount) a significant number of times to aoe, death in small group action is far more detrimental than 50 mp. There are players who will get significant use out of these on blm and whom, when considering playstyle will prefer them.

Don't misunderstand and think i'm saying these are the better piece overall, I very much see the merits of Z mitts especially in a sorc ring build but dont overlook their value to people who play the game a little differently from you.

[Sedy]

Drucifer :
My point is I die by aprox 35 or less (and survive by the same ammount) a significant number of times to aoe, death in small group action is far more detrimental than 50 mp. There are players who will get significant use out of these on blm and whom, when considering playstyle will prefer them.

Don't misunderstand and think i'm saying these are the better piece overall, I very much see the merits of Z mitts especially in a sorc ring build but dont overlook their value to people who play the game a little differently from you.

These reasons don't sound like values or playstyles, it sounds like excuses. Honestly it sounds like you need better groups if your dying that much.

Damage from AoE is easily controllable with stoneskin so the loss of 50 hp shouldn't be a make or break descision on wether a person gets a peice.

Besides from that, arn't you Galka? what the fuck you worried about hp? :plain

tbh if you keep that kind of attitude as blm you might as well stay whm I mean at least you have reraise. :dozingoff

[Ennayram]

Drucifer :Frankly i hate most -hp items, I die by 1-35 over my max hp so often to aoes in things that I rather like these as opposed to Z mitts

Personally, I'm confused as to which situation requires you to stand inside AoE range :con

I understand that sometimes tanks get on the other side of mobs but why mages can't swing around to the side 99% of the time to get in cure range but stay outside of AoE range is beyond me.

In case you missed it, one of my pet hates is mages who stand in range of mobs AoEs and create additional work for themselves and the rest of the group ESPECIALLY BLMs. Max nuking range FTW!

[rambus]

Could use the Yigit Gages for Helix Spells and use the Vicious Mufflers for normal nukes, that's what I'm thinking about doing once my SCH get high enough to equip them.

:no

you should gear up INT if you don't want those to be shit....

but even gearing full int they are still shit on anything big.....

I would not quote a gear set for helix, i would simply say don't bother with them till they fix the formula.

they are ok on exp mobs because exp mobs have low INT but exp mobs dont live for very long so it defeats the purpose....

I dont have a sorc ring and getting one isnt a priority for me. I do a significant number of things in small groups where i cannot afford to be outside of AoE range lest my party suffers. Frankly I end of subbing whm most of the time because as metioned before, small groups need different kind of support, if i didnt do these kinds of things and only brough blm out for times when the ls did things where the term "blm party" is used then sure -hp would be a totally bunk excuse (and /sch isnt even funny who would really do that?).

:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall:wall

you missed the 13 page thread on how to use /sch?

[Amentis]

Ennayram :

Drucifer :Frankly i hate most -hp items, I die by 1-35 over my max hp so often to aoes in things that I rather like these as opposed to Z mitts

Personally, I'm confused as to which situation requires you to stand inside AoE range :con

I understand that sometimes tanks get on the other side of mobs but why mages can't swing around to the side 99% of the time to get in cure range but stay outside of AoE range is beyond me.

In case you missed it, one of my pet hates is mages who stand in range of mobs AoEs and create additional work for themselves and the rest of the group ESPECIALLY BLMs. Max nuking range FTW!

Ohi

[Rishi]

Quit being an idiot, any BLM who dies to AoE on Fafhogg deserves it.

[Ennayram]

Amentis :

Ennayram :

Drucifer :Frankly i hate most -hp items, I die by 1-35 over my max hp so often to aoes in things that I rather like these as opposed to Z mitts

Personally, I'm confused as to which situation requires you to stand inside AoE range :con

I understand that sometimes tanks get on the other side of mobs but why mages can't swing around to the side 99% of the time to get in cure range but stay outside of AoE range is beyond me.

In case you missed it, one of my pet hates is mages who stand in range of mobs AoEs and create additional work for themselves and the rest of the group ESPECIALLY BLMs. Max nuking range FTW!

Ohi

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I doubt the "small group" activities that he's always participating in includes Faf and wyrms. I also doubt that hes dying by 1-35 over max HP on them too. Yes I know they can be killed with nominal numbers but call me skeptical for thinking that someone who prefers mufflers over Zmitts is killing wyrms with less than 12.

Perhaps Drucifer can educate me?

[Banggugyangu]

Drucifer :

drwaffles :
-HP is not a viable reason to dislike using Zenith Mitts. If that alone poses a significant threat to your health (only around a quarter of the HP -> MP needed to activate a Taru's Sorcerer's Ring) then you're doing something wrong. Rocking the SCH sub, perhaps? These are essentially a waste of an inventory slot for any BLM that uses Sorcerer's Ring, and even if you don't use it you're sacrificing an extra 50 max MP unnecessarily.

I dont have a sorc ring and getting one isnt a priority for me. I do a significant number of things in small groups where i cannot afford to be outside of AoE range lest my party suffers. Frankly I end of subbing whm most of the time because as metioned before, small groups need different kind of support, if i didnt do these kinds of things and only brough blm out for times when the ls did things where the term "blm party" is used then sure -hp would be a totally bunk excuse (and /sch isnt even funny who would really do that?).

My point is I die by aprox 35 or less (and survive by the same ammount) a significant number of times to aoe, death in small group action is far more detrimental than 50 mp. There are players who will get significant use out of these on blm and whom, when considering playstyle will prefer them.

Don't misunderstand and think i'm saying these are the better piece overall, I very much see the merits of Z mitts especially in a sorc ring build but dont overlook their value to people who play the game a little differently from you.

Name 1 action that a BLM with any subjob *save /SMN which you aren't using so don't lie that you are* can do that requires that same BLM be near the melees while fighting any mob.

Protectra/shellra? No can be accomplished before fighting.
Curaga? No targetable AoE cure.
Nuking? lol
Suicidal Tendencies? A HA!

[Amentis]

Lol. I was just teasing.

As far as small group things, I've never died by only that little personally.
It's always some monumental amount, like autorunning into a wall cause you were too busy watching youtube and getting a meteor to the face from Kaiser, things of that sort.

/shrug .
I think I might get these just to say I have them. Town gear and whatnot. Certainly looks better than the horrendous olive color of Zenith.

[drwaffles]

The only AoE TP move that Fafnir and Nidhogg have access to (besides Flail, which is gonna kill the shit out of you regardless) is Hurricane Wing, and guess what? Fafnir's at least can be absorbed completely by a maxed-out Stoneskin, so if you're not retarded and actually recast your life-saving buff after each Wing HP should never be an issue. And honestly, why are we debating Zenith Mitts vs. Vicious Mufflers when Morrigan's Cuffs exist? Go grab a pair of those if you're so terrified of all those nasty AoEs you're dying to for whatever reason.

[Tamashii]

vicious turns zenith mitts into another free -hp conversion gear. less stuff to carry on blm