[MaikeruSMN]

How much is needed?

I'm currently 71, and I noticed that even with my SH+1, O. Hat, and Tuna Sushi, etc., I'm still missing more than 50% of my swings. I know our sword skill is shite, but I figure with all the equips and BRD buffs, I'd hit at least half the time.

(This was at Mamool Ja Staging Point, I do ok on Imps, but I tried to avoid the Mire like my gf on her special days. >.>)

Basically, I'm asking how is it at 75? I'll prolly put in a few merits if I have to, but I would rather not. The melee gear I have for my RDM is a haste setup, but as things are, I'm really worried I might actually have to carry my O.Hat at 75, and I would rather not.

This is my planned setup for DNC:

Main Kard
Sub Joyeuse
Range War Hoop
Ammo N/A
Head Walahra Turban
Body Scp. Harness +1
Hands Dusk Gloves
Legs Pln. Seraweels
Feet Dusk Ledelsens
Neck Peacock Charm
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist Swift Belt
Ear1 Suppanomimi
Ear2 Hollow Earring
Ring1 Ulthalam's Ring
Ring2 Rajas Ring

Also, how is the damage at 75? I see myself hitting for 0 every once in a while, and 0 TP return makes me sad. =(

[Surrie]

This is my planned setup for DNC:

Main Kard
Sub Joyeuse
Range War Hoop
Ammo N/A
Head Walahra Turban
Body Scp. Harness +1
Hands Dusk Gloves
Legs Pln. Seraweels
Feet Dusk Ledelsens
Neck Peacock Charm
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist Swift Belt
Ear1 Suppanomimi
Ear2 Hollow Earring
Ring1 Ulthalam's Ring
Ring2 Rajas Ring

This is a nice setup (Although i TP in raparee harness, we have hella acc xD)
I want to get denali and Pahluwan ^^ I would stick with Haste > Acc though for the most part..That is alot of acc you are listing and the extra haste is a + for dnc~ Keep your turban !
Just my opinion though, i'm glad someone posted a thread over this.

[Cream Soda]

I'd replace 2nd ear with Brutal, Pahluwan for Rapparee, and Pahluwan for Barb Zerephs for a standard TP build.
I usually have 3 sets on me. A full blown haste build, a full blown acc build, and a mix between the two.

On birds, I'm more than comfortable doing full blown haste (with sushi so have to watch hate here)
On standard mamools, I can also go full blown acc with no problem.
On Mamool nins, I usually use my mixture of gear and do fine acc wise
On Mamool Lurkers, I use my full blown acc build, and have some difficulty, but not much.

If you're in a camp where theres more high eva mobs like Mamool nins and Lurkers than anything else, then I'd personally go dagger/dagger

[zlatko]

Also you said you were doing 0's. I'd probably ditch the Kard and use an Adder Jambiya+1/Adder Jambiya/BeheKnife+1/Jambiya. Any of those ftw.

[MaikeruSMN]

@ Surrie
I always use Harness first when I hit camp to see if my accuracy is ok. Otherwise, the SH+1 is the most acc I can get on one slot, so I figured it would be best to use with Joyeuse.

@ lolineedtoskillupmyswordcauseonrymyh2hiscapped
I thought Brutal Earring lowers the rate of Joyeuse proc or something? I've read the discussions but everything seems so inconclusive. Also, I don't have a group to do Ashu Talif stuff with, so I can't get those sexy pants. I have Dusk+1 though... lol

@ sexytaru
I could have been hitting the Mamool WHMs' Stoneskin and didn't realize it. I have yet to go back and try again. I really don't want to give up my Kard since I believe in maximizing Waltz as much as possible without too much enmity.

P.S.
I'm all purple now! D: I just hit 72 and my accuracy went way up with Suppa/Hollow. Not to mention I'm hitting like a maniac with my haste build + WHM haste + March + Samba... poor Imps. XD

[Surrie]

Nice :3 I cant wait to use my Suppa and yes DNC looks good in purple XD hehe.

[Cream Soda]

MaikeruSMN :


@ lolineedtoskillupmyswordcauseonrymyh2hiscapped
I thought Brutal Earring lowers the rate of Joyeuse proc or something? I've read the discussions but everything seems so inconclusive. Also, I don't have a group to do Ashu Talif stuff with, so I can't get those sexy pants. I have Dusk+1 though... lol

That would mainly be for ridill instead of Joyeuse. From what I understand, if DA procs, then the additional effect won't have a chance to. So with ridill that means you can possibly DA at a potential shot at 3 attacks, but with joytoy you're either going to replace a non proc with a DA or a proc with a DA. So it will have no effect on a strike that would have proc'd in the first place but still has a chance to proc for those attacks that would have been single hitters. Also, it can proc for dagger as well.

[Seibar]

brutal def doesnt hurt the joytoy, if anything it helps it a ton. i play on my friends pld with a joytoy and brutal for over a year and when i got my joytoy for dnc i thought it was broken til i bought myself a brutal. when you have the brutal earr quipped it helps out a lot IMO. or its just a placebo for me...
i think what above posted said is right, if one procs the other wont, but thats still a higher chance of just one procing alone. for a 3+ hitter you wouldnt want brutal since it might alter a 5 hit round into just 2, but since 2 is max for joytoy brutal is awesome.
and ya, brutal procs for your main hand dagger obviously too.

for xp (when i xp'd to 75) i tried out joytoy but didnt like it too much, id miss enough that i wasnt gaining any more tp then 2 daggers would have.
when i solo sharks and aerns in sea for organs, or even when i fought bugbear x3 for rutters i used joytoy and hit those just fine without accur food and with evasion gear on.

[Clink]

another good decent of legs i know it ouch on the AGI and CHR but for merits a good piece of legs also is the Galliard Trousers unfortinitley you already have a better legging piece I believe.

[Juib]

Are you parsing or just eyeballing it? I highly doubt your acc is actually below 50%

[MaikeruSMN]

Juib :
Are you parsing or just eyeballing it? I highly doubt your acc is actually below 50%

Both. Since my parse only shows my totals hits, I eyeballed how often my dagger missed (which was about 1/35ish) and figured out how many misses I had minus my dagger misses.

I just hit 75 and with my full haste setup and switched in brutal for hollow as advised, I ended up missing more, but the amount of sheer swings more than made up for it and had a pretty sexy TP gain. Main healing at Mamool Ja Staging Point, using Tuna Sushi, my TP never went below 180% spamming CW 3 and DW, full-time DS3.

[Crispleaf]

MaikeruSMN :

Juib :
Are you parsing or just eyeballing it? I highly doubt your acc is actually below 50%

Since my parse only shows my totals hits, I eyeballed how often my dagger missed (which was about 1/35ish).

The game's accuracy cap is 95% so the best you could do for misses is 1/20. Sorry, but you need your eyes checked

[MaikeruSMN]

Just because the cap is 95% doesn't mean 5% will *always* miss. It's always chance, and it's possible (but highly improbable) to it 30x in a row.

But on that basis of 95%, let's say 20% of my dagger count as misses. My TP gain is still exceptional with the amount of misses. In other words, I think in gear, Accuracy+20ish (with suppa, no merits) and sushi is good enough for Joyeuse for TP Gain. I'll do more constructive parses. I just hit 75 and haven't had the chance to do birds and mamools without BRDs.

[Orson]

Brutal will only give a 2.5% increase to Joytoy (I can explain why but I don't really feel like unless you really doubt me) it's still probably the best earring to wear with Suppa given that your main receives the full 5%.

[Levian]

I'll take a stab at that one. Joy has a 45% proc rate, so there's about a 50% chance that your DA would've been a proc from the joy anyways. So you have to cut the increase in half to account.

Your level has a lot to do with accuracy. 70-75 in particular, I noticed the largest change in my hit/miss ratio happened when I lvl'd. Capping the skill on an A+ weapon barely changed it, and the same could be said for the gear that I changed out as I went up. Just my two cents, but the problem wasn't your gear, you were just over-hunting for your level.

[Phlow]

The level of your character relative to the mob has a huge impact, according to the damage formula. You take a 10% penalty for every level the monster is over you, and a 10% gain for every level the mob is under you.