[Headfilter]

So i'm exping in bhaflau thickets and the DNC uses wild flourish, right after i use Skewer getting a transfixion SC not sure if this has been posted yet just thought id throw this out here might help some for endgame ^^~ GO GO MB!!



Edit: It doesnt need to land in order for the SC to go off, so DNC self SC? maybe it of course does less dmg do its still a SC none the less

[zlatko]

/facepalm. No none of us knew this. We got this job to 75 without even using the job abilities.

Do you smoke crack before you post on here or are you always like this? God I pray you are under some kind of influence other than low intelligence.

[Surrie]

I lol'd irl o_o

[Headfilter]

Well excuse me... i thought i was posting something useful, but i guess every DNC knows this even those that are JUST starting out. tell me, do you tear others down to feel better about yourself?

[Surrie]

Lol.

[zlatko]

Headfilter :
Well excuse me... i thought i was posting something useful, but i guess every DNC knows this even those that are JUST starting out. tell me, do you tear others down to feel better about yourself?

DNC starting out would even care about this why? If they are curious about what a DNC can do it's called http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Dancer

I glad you realize I tore you down though. Does it make me feel better? To a degree yes. It always feels better to know that I'm not an idiot and I help spread the hope that is intelligence.

Tip: Do not breed. The overpopulation problem is bad enough without more of you around.

[Spanner]

To put it a LITTLE more gently, Headfilter, what you wrote above is similar to a WAR excitedly posting on the WAR forums, "OMG guys! I used Provoke, and it made the mob attack me instead of the WHM! How awesome is that? Just think of the possibilities - I could hold the mob's attention while the WHM cures me and the others kill it!"

Wild Flourish is used for Skillchaining. That's what it's intended for - in fact, that's ALL it's intended for. It may be a high-level job ability, but its effects are quite well-known by now. It's nice that you're excited and enthusiastic about DNC, but surely you can't expect to post something like this without receiving SOME ridicule?

[Bluthund]

Headfilter :
Well excuse me... i thought i was posting something useful, but i guess every DNC knows this even those that are JUST starting out. tell me, do you tear others down to feel better about yourself?

You're posting in the wrong forum buddy.

[Mineyl]

Actually, I think the OP is on to something. Maybe I just got a couple of retards, but not long ago, I partied with two DNCs (not at once, but one was replaced with the other) at level 73. Neither used haste samba or drain samba and I definitely saw no self-skillchains from either throughout the entirity of our three and a half-hour party.

Speaking of weapon skills, should DNC be using Evisceration over Dancing Edge? I'd always heard DE was much better.

I honestly hope I'm not missing something here, 'cause I've always heard about what a great backup healer DNC is and "DNC is awezum!" and the like, yet with these two, I've been left with a bad first impression. Someone point me in the right direction. ; ;

[Cream Soda]

Mineyl :
and I definitely saw no self-skillchains from either throughout the entirity of our three and a half-hour party.

In my personal experience, I've never had a blm to MB any of the SC and the damage of the actual SC itself isn't even worth the finishing moves it takes to do it on XP mobs. Thats probably why you didn't see any.

[Oyagi]

Speaking of weapon skills, should DNC be using Evisceration over Dancing Edge? I'd always heard DE was much better.
I honestly hope I'm not missing something here, 'cause I've always heard about what a great backup healer DNC is and "DNC is awezum!" and the like, yet with these two, I've been left with a bad first impression. Someone point me in the right direction. ; ;

My question is should Dancer even perform Weapon Skills and throwing away their TP when it should be used towards what they where intended for... Front Line Support? I've been in a Merit Party situation in Caedarva Mire where the Dancer is "Trying" to DD instead of focusing on Supporting. Yeah he/she had nice DD gear for the job but it wasnt even making a difference in our kill speed.

I've partied with 2 great japanese DNC during my 63-68 run. They never Weapon Skilled or focused on damage dealing.. All they did was Healing, Steps, Sambas.. and they also had a grasp on Wild flourish because I would say Wild Flourish and use my WS after it instead of this guy I had in Caedarva Mire who would Wild Flourish and WS... WTF?

[Cream Soda]

Depending on my pt set up is what I do. I had a party on greater colibri with a bard and a rdm in my pt. The rdm was able to keep up with healing just fine and I was able to keep haste samba up and DD without a problem. And considering I got a nice piercing bonus, I wasn't doing half bad in DD.

[Mineyl]

Cream Soda :
In my personal experience, I've never had a blm to MB any of the SC and the damage of the actual SC itself isn't even worth the finishing moves it takes to do it on XP mobs. Thats probably why you didn't see any.

Well, that brings up this other point:

Oyagi :
My question is should Dancer even perform Weapon Skills and throwing away their TP when it should be used towards what they where intended for... Front Line Support?

I'd say that if you're going to try to DD on DNC, wouldn't you attempt to make skillchains to try to create as much damage as possible? I'm not educated enough on the whole finishing move deal to say for certain, though.

And yeah, DNC is supposed to be some sort of front line support job. Why waste TP? I guess it'd be kinda' like my RDM nuking in EXP. Sure, maybe I -could- hit a 600-700 damage nuke, but my MP is better spent elsewhere...right?

[Cream Soda]

Mineyl :

Cream Soda :
In my personal experience, I've never had a blm to MB any of the SC and the damage of the actual SC itself isn't even worth the finishing moves it takes to do it on XP mobs. Thats probably why you didn't see any.

Well, that brings up this other point:

Oyagi :
My question is should Dancer even perform Weapon Skills and throwing away their TP when it should be used towards what they where intended for... Front Line Support?

I'd say that if you're going to try to DD on DNC, wouldn't you attempt to make skillchains to try to create as much damage as possible? I'm not educated enough on the whole finishing move deal to say for certain, though.

And yeah, DNC is supposed to be some sort of front line support job. Why waste TP? I guess it'd be kinda' like my RDM nuking in EXP. Sure, maybe I -could- hit a 600-700 damage nuke, but my MP is better spent elsewhere...right?

With wild flourish, you can't use any other tier II flourish for 30 seconds. You're better off being able to use reverse flourish for more TP towards your next WS than adding a minimal amount of damage to your current WS.

A typical merit pt set up has a rdm and a bard. If the rdm can handle the healing by themselves, I see no need to toss any cures, unless its an emergency (I usually toss a curing waltz IV when I see really low HP). If a rdm can handle the healing by them self when in this type of party build, having a dnc for curing purposes, would generally be a waste of a party slot, imo.

[Mineyl]

Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Veg.

[shadowvincent]

Yeah, building/wild flourish is basically the DNC equivilant of saving TP to 300% so you can see bigger numbers.

[trendy.ideology]

sigh.



I wish KI would just disappear sometimes, and they'd reopen a new forum with a required IQ test before you can post.

[[Bariss]]

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[Blackout]

Cream Soda :
A typical merit pt set up has a rdm and a bard. If the rdm can handle the healing by themselves, I see no need to toss any cures, unless its an emergency (I usually toss a curing waltz IV when I see really low HP). If a rdm can handle the healing by them self when in this type of party build, having a dnc for curing purposes, would generally be a waste of a party slot, imo.

In my experience The best merit parties consist of 3 support and 3 DDS think: 2x Brd Rdm or Whm & 3x DD or Brd, Cor, Rdm or Whm & 3x DD. I think Dnc fits into that scheme great as added support. So if I invited a Dnc to help with healing there is some reason I believe we would need the extra heal and enfeebles. Example: Camping Wyverns, puks an Mamool Ja at Mamool Ja staging point . I would be pretty mad If you decided I invited you to DD. If I wanted a DD that could self SC I would grab a Sam or a BLU to do that before ever thinking about DNC. Blu can do the whole Self SC thing w/o effecting its ability to back up heal. Well Everyone has there own opinion. I believe SE gave DNC Wild Flourish to help DDs have more opportunities to make Skill Chains not so much to up dnc's damage output. Wild Flourish is a really cool ability, but don't pretend it excuses from your Cure/support and go all out DD you do that I'll just end of replacing you with a real DD or another support

PS I am also A Dancer not 75 yet but in the work at 65 now

[Cream Soda]

Blackout :

Cream Soda :
A typical merit pt set up has a rdm and a bard. If the rdm can handle the healing by themselves, I see no need to toss any cures, unless its an emergency (I usually toss a curing waltz IV when I see really low HP). If a rdm can handle the healing by them self when in this type of party build, having a dnc for curing purposes, would generally be a waste of a party slot, imo.

In my experience The best merit parties consist of 3 support and 3 DDS think: 2x Brd Rdm or Whm & 3x DD or Brd, Cor, Rdm or Whm & 3x DD. I think Dnc fits into that scheme great as added support. So if I invited a Dnc to help with healing there is some reason I believe we would need the extra heal and enfeebles. Example: Camping Wyverns, puks an Mamool Ja at Mamool Ja staging point . I would be pretty mad If you decided I invited you to DD. If I wanted a DD that could self SC I would grab a Sam or a BLU to do that before ever thinking about DNC. Blu can do the whole Self SC thing w/o effecting its ability to back up heal. Well Everyone has there own opinion. I believe SE gave DNC Wild Flourish to help DDs have more opportunities to make Skill Chains not so much to up dnc's damage output. Wild Flourish is a really cool ability, but don't pretend it excuses from your Cure/support and go all out DD you do that I'll just end of replacing you with a real DD or another support

PS I am also A Dancer not 75 yet but in the work at 65 now

I don't thing you've been understanding

In my experience The best merit parties consist of 3 support and 3 DDS think: 2x Brd Rdm or Whm & 3x DD or Brd, Cor, Rdm or Whm & 3x DD.

For example, if you have 2 brds and a rdm, the rdm is still doing the majority of the healing, in which case, if they're good, should be able to hanlde the healing with only one bard.

So if I invited a Dnc to help with healing there is some reason I believe we would need the extra heal and enfeebles.

As I said, I do toss a cure when needed, but if your rdm is good(well not just rdm, but DDs as well like with keeping shadows up and not getting slapped around), they shouldn't really be needed at all and the fastest way for DNC to tp gain is the steps (enfeebles) so DD or not, they're still going to be happening.

If I wanted a DD that could self SC I would grab a Sam or a BLU to do that before ever thinking about DNC.

While this would be a viable point were you saying it to someone else, its not here. If you read my previous posts, I've been against, not for, dnc using wild flourish to self SC. That being said, I have no clue what you're trying to get at.

Wild Flourish is a really cool ability, but don't pretend it excuses from your Cure/support and go all out DD you do that I'll just end of replacing you with a real DD or another support.

I don't see where a DD dnc isn't support. I still keep my haste samba up and perform all my steps.(Remember, these benefit the DD'ing aspects of a dnc as well).

Again, I'll have to accuse you of not reading.

Depending on my pt set up is what I do.

I never said I just run into every single party and start DD'ing. I gauge my situation before I decide which role best benefits the party.



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P.S.
I have more fun when I get to be main healer.