[neurotic]

Well, in the near future I would like for my linkshell to attempt Vrtra BST/SMN style. Now, I know it will be hard but using the strat I'm about to put forward, I think it would be really possible. I am looking for suggestions and how I can make this better, or if there is anything wrong with it. Now, I do have Wyrm experience, and my entire linkshell does as well. We have killed Jormungand three times in three attempts BST/SMN style. Most have probably heard of Tiamat and Jormungand being killed BST/SMN style, and Vrtra is not much different aside from the fact he hits slightly harder, doesn't fly (which is actually a good thing for us), resides in a room filled with adds, and summons pets. His wing is more difficult to deal with but I think we can manage. I have plans to overcome all of these I believe.

First of all, Vrtra would have to be parked in one spot. I know that he can Flail when he summons because of this, but this doesn't 100% mean he will Flail. We have had Jormungand literally doing like 900 degree rotations before stopping, and sometimes he doesn't flail when doing so. On our average Jormungand, we will eat up to 5+ Flails and still win easily. So although he may Flail even a lot, we are able to overcome this. So Flail may be somewhat of an issue, but with sheer numbers it can be overcome and pretty easily straight tanked by pets. With Vrtra we would obviously eat more Flails, but we would have at least 10+ more BSTs than our Jormungands. Don't forget Carrie has well over 2,000 HP, and can literally eat Flail and still survive. With the recent Reward update it is even easier to keep Carries alive.

I know for a fact we wouldn't be able to handle summons and adds however. There are a few linkshells of friends I am looking to alliance for this and with them they would be able to handle summons and adds. I am thinking that we would need somewhere around 8-10 or more BLM/NIN. They would sub NIN for an obvious reason, so they could eat Flail and not die. We would have 1 spotter for Summons, and when Vrtra did summon the BLMs would run in, nuke down and kill the Summon, and run back out of range. During this, the RDMs, CORs, and BRDs would remain out of range. If Flail went off they would be able to survive. If Wing went off, the BRDs, CORs, and RDMs would run in and Curaga, the BLMs would finish nuking the Summons, and run out again.

The remaining members of both linkshells who did not have BST, SMN, COR, BRD, BLM, or RDM would be the add party. We would have plenty of MNKs and SAMs to take out the rest of the room pretty easily. Granted that this all goes to plan, there shouldn't be much blood aggro anyways. One half of the room could theoretically ignored because they would be out of range of blood aggro since Vrtra is parked in one spot and not kited, and since theoretically no one should be taking much damage.

We actually kill extremely fast as well. Out of our three Jormungands, we killed in 1 hour 28 minutes, 1 hour 2 minutes, and 57 minutes. 57 minutes is extremely quick for Jormungand, especially when only killing it for the second time.

Just a little picture on how we roll

[Daitreg]

Ah...end game dragons being straight tanked by pets, this amuses me so much! <3

Good luck finding some help buddy! Make sure to take lots of pictures when you manage to
get this done!

[AsDraBael]

Not really a fair bst/smn kill if you bring in a second ls to handle adds. If you're going to cheat and bring another ls, just have 2-3 pld/drks kite Vrtra around the room while the pets chase it beating on it. Would be much safer than what you're suggesting.

Vrtra is much easier than any of the other wyrms if you can handle the adds.

[Kendo]

[neurotic]

Ugh not another "cheater" guy. We want to kill Vrtra, I said that in my post. I also said we wouldn't be able to handle the summons and adds. So, are you saying we shouldn't do Vrtra at all instead of receiving the assistance of some BLMs for summons? Do you realize how difficult it would be to do summons and adds with BSTs and SMNs? Sorry, but we don't have 100 BSTs and 50 SMNs. We dont have PLD/DRKs kite it because thats not how we fight wyrms, and that would be even more "cheating."

If you read the post, I did ask a question actually. "I am looking for suggestions and how I can make this better, or if there is anything wrong with it." etc. All I am looking for is possible suggestions. If you ask why I post an odd strategy, it is because of that why I post. It is odd. You can't exactly do things normally with a BST/SMN linkshell base. I'm looking to fight something in an unconventional manner. I don't understand why you have to be "that guy" who is overly aggressive and negative for situations that dont call for it, like a KI Gary Busey. If you don't agree with my post, you should have stopped reading it. If you didn't stop reading it, then move on with your day and don't reply.

[Lionsheart]

I don't know how that BLM/NIN strat would work since spike flail can go through 3 shadows, I'm pretty sure only 4 can stop it.

[neurotic]

And thus there is the reason why I posted AsDraBael, to have my strat checked out.

[Tzaellia]

Daitreg :
Ah...end game dragons being straight tanked by pets, this amuses me so much! <3

Good luck finding some help buddy! Make sure to take lots of pictures when you manage to
get this done!

Haha, not sure this guys ever read the BST forums Neuro. And getting help isn't "cheating". What, did SE implement "The Rules of War" here. Haha.

Though shall not use anything other than what is in your own LS.


Go for it Neuro! You've taken on everything else and surpass everyones expectations! Do it and smote all the disbelievers! :boing

[neurotic]

Well, its officially planned for 4/20/08 and we shall see what happens

[Kendo]

You want to transfer servers, Tzaellia. You MUST. :con:love

[neurotic]

Was thinking if straight tanking him doesn't work, having 3-6 BST/WAR kite with a Provoke Snarl macro. Having six 3,000 HP tanks kite would be easy as hell.

Edit:

For all you non-believers. This was a test run to gauge how quick Vrtra took down pets. We went out with 6 BST75s and put 6 Carries on Vrtra. I had to stay in range to get a parse of Vrtra vs Carrie and got hit with Cyclone Wing and as you can guess, died. Vrtra DID summon about 1-2 seconds before his Cyclone Wing, and did NOT Flail or even move. When I got hit with Cyclone Wing each Carrie on average was still at a good 60%+ HP, and I was the only one who used Reward. I think these numbers speak for themselves.



The DPS on average of 12 BST in ally is going to be close to 3k to 4k per minute, plus SMN damage.

[Kendo]

I'M FUCKING EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alaan]

Kinda makes me want to lvl bst. :love

[Siyual]

Yesh, looking forward to this =D

[Mmtheblue]

Damn... I wanna see this.

[Yhelothur]

Wow, I might actually pick BST back up.

[Bikpik]

The only suggestions I got is to make sure you stay outta sleepga range (obviously) and maybe have a bst/war pull smns and use your smns to BP vrtra's smns down?

[neurotic]

Hate is actually linked with Vrtra so they can't be pulled away.

We did a "test" run last night with like 22 people just to gauge the difficulty and its going to be much harder than expected for a few reasons. Vrtra won't draw in like Jormungand will unless you're almost completely out of the room, meaning when a BST or SMN takes hate, he's gonna walk to them and end up Flailing no matter.

[Kendo]

Yeah.. about a minute into the pull, someone took hate and he followed them over to the group.. spike flail and everyone's down. x.x

[Gunitsoldier]

I WANT.