[Bikpik]

neurotic :
Hate is actually linked with Vrtra so they can't be pulled away.

We did a "test" run last night with like 22 people just to gauge the difficulty and its going to be much harder than expected for a few reasons. Vrtra won't draw in like Jormungand will unless you're almost completely out of the room, meaning when a BST or SMN takes hate, he's gonna walk to them and end up Flailing no matter.

I know hate is linked with vrtra, but since not one pet has hate pinned to it, 1 voke should be enough to pull away the smns (I'm assuming). Another thing you could try is having a few bst/wars voke/snarling hate on their CCs so the smns can have a little more freedom using their BP's and not getting hate. Of course those /wars would have to stay close to vrtra and use poison pots to avoid sleepga.

[Janeash]

Kendo :
You want to transfer servers, Tzaellia. You MUST. :con:love

lol and I thought your ls was full?
How many people are you expecting to show for the event?
It sounds pretty interesting indeed!

[Surrie]

Damn i'd watch this too XD <3333 BST ^^

[Lionsheart]

As long as you keep the Carrie's in front of Vrtra you shouldn't be flailed, it only flails when he swings with his tail then uses a TP move and flail is 100% chance(I use to flail RMT killing Tiamat haha so I know). We use to kite Vrtra and have a BRD sleep summons and time nuke them but if you aren't kiting it should be much of a problem.

Vrtra is a little different then Jorm and Tiamat. He attacks significantly faster but he doesn't cast firaga or blizzaga which is always nice and he doesn't fly. You need to fraps this because I really want to see how it comes out! Good luck.

[Siyual]

Lionsheart :
As long as you keep the Carrie's in front of Vrtra you shouldn't be flailed, it only flails when he swings with his tail then uses a TP move and flail is 100% chance(I use to flail RMT killing Tiamat haha so I know).

No fucking shit...

The problem isn't flail, it's the adds. We get flailed at minimum two to three times on Jorm, it will happen, that's expected.

[Patriarch]

Siyual :

Lionsheart :
As long as you keep the Carrie's in front of Vrtra you shouldn't be flailed, it only flails when he swings with his tail then uses a TP move and flail is 100% chance(I use to flail RMT killing Tiamat haha so I know).

No fucking shit...

The problem isn't flail, it's the adds. We get flailed at minimum two to three times on Jorm, it will happen, that's expected.

I mean, whats a Flail anyway? Shake it off.

[Kaparu]

Bikpik :

neurotic :
Hate is actually linked with Vrtra so they can't be pulled away.

We did a "test" run last night with like 22 people just to gauge the difficulty and its going to be much harder than expected for a few reasons. Vrtra won't draw in like Jormungand will unless you're almost completely out of the room, meaning when a BST or SMN takes hate, he's gonna walk to them and end up Flailing no matter.

I know hate is linked with vrtra, but since not one pet has hate pinned to it, 1 voke should be enough to pull away the smns (I'm assuming). Another thing you could try is having a few bst/wars voke/snarling hate on their CCs so the smns can have a little more freedom using their BP's and not getting hate. Of course those /wars would have to stay close to vrtra and use poison pots to avoid sleepga.

You seem to be missing the point >_>;

Vrtra's pets have no hate registry of their own, and are nothing more than extensions of Vrtra herself. Subsequently, performing any action on said pets has no effect on their attention span. The only way for one to pull a pet away, is to pull Vrtra.

[neurotic]

If we are doing this, we have to camp outside the gate down the tunnel, its the only way. We NEED Vrtra to draw in BSTs and SMNs. If we were to camp in the room, when a BST or SMN did take hate, Vrtra would walk over to them and he would have hate on a character or pet in all directions, including behind him. When he did walk to someone all the slept pets would be behind him and once they reacquired hate, he would flail killing most likely everyone in the alliance. If we camp down the tunnel outside the gate, he will draw in instead of moving.

Plan is, after much testing, to have the BSTs and SMNs camp down the tunnel outside the gate. With them would be 2 TP burn parties since there are a total of 10 mobs there that need to be cleared. Inside Vrtras room would be the BLM summon team and 1 TP burn party to take care of the 5-6 mobs inside the room. Because we need to camp outside the room we need an extra 12 or so people than we would have needed. This will help spread out everyone and reduce lag as well. We can easily come up with the BSTs and SMNs, and even with our alliance to another linkshell it might be difficult to come up with basically 3 TP burn parties and 2/3 of a BLM alliance.

Question, how long will Lullaby last on a summon? Since they'll always be next to each other, and if Lullaby lasted long enough, it could be more efficient to let 2 or maybe even 3 build up and -aga them. It will be difficult for the BLMs to fall behind since if they do they can just -aga and take out multiples in single nukes.

[Patriarch]

Aside from every other current problem we have Neur; What do you think about Zoo Hats + Amigos for Vrtra.

My guess is that with the summons around, Amigo blasting everything in sight with 1k Needles wouldnt be the best. But then again I've never doen this Wyrm, so I have no clue. Since pretty much everyone in our LS has Zoo Hat, might be nice if it Didnt affect hate with adds.

But I dunno, your call.

[Lionsheart]

Siyual :

Lionsheart :
As long as you keep the Carrie's in front of Vrtra you shouldn't be flailed, it only flails when he swings with his tail then uses a TP move and flail isn't 100% chance(I use to flail RMT killing Tiamat haha so I know).

No fucking shit...

The problem isn't flail, it's the adds. We get flailed at minimum two to three times on Jorm, it will happen, that's expected.

You really gotta be a fuckin dick when someone's trying to help you? I was just saying if you can try to avoid the flails the BLM/NIN idea might work since they can't be pulled because of linked hate.

I'm not sure how long lullaby lasts on the summons, it did last enough for the BLMs to get a tier 4 off but sometimes we got adds running after us while kiting.

[Kendo]

If only the wolves in there were charmable mobs. An alliance of beastmasters with charmed/familiared VT pets would rip that pussy ass Vrtra a wyrmhole.

[Bikpik]

Kaparu :

Bikpik :

neurotic :
Hate is actually linked with Vrtra so they can't be pulled away.

We did a "test" run last night with like 22 people just to gauge the difficulty and its going to be much harder than expected for a few reasons. Vrtra won't draw in like Jormungand will unless you're almost completely out of the room, meaning when a BST or SMN takes hate, he's gonna walk to them and end up Flailing no matter.

I know hate is linked with vrtra, but since not one pet has hate pinned to it, 1 voke should be enough to pull away the smns (I'm assuming). Another thing you could try is having a few bst/wars voke/snarling hate on their CCs so the smns can have a little more freedom using their BP's and not getting hate. Of course those /wars would have to stay close to vrtra and use poison pots to avoid sleepga.

You seem to be missing the point >_>;

Vrtra's pets have no hate registry of their own, and are nothing more than extensions of Vrtra herself. Subsequently, performing any action on said pets has no effect on their attention span. The only way for one to pull a pet away, is to pull Vrtra.

Yes the Smn hate is linked with Vrtra, but you can pull them off a Tank, I've done it on Brd trying to sleep them, but eventually they do head back to whoever has hate on Vrtra. So my point of a Bst/War voking them off shouldn't be too hard since no one pet will have hate pinned to it like a real Tank. (I'm saying should here because I'm pretty sure there hasn't been much testing on how well jugpets will hold hate on Vrtra.

[ToK Darius]

Make sure you record the fight too. I would love to see this.

[Mmtheblue]

Y'all could just make a mule and run to KRT....

[neurotic]

Setting up jobs and parties, so about how many BLMs is good for summons? I remember about 8-10 when I last did it and we got by.