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Actually griever, the shield doesn't block out the secondary effects of spells. Fealty does. Does destroy physical spell dmg however.


Actually Aeon, youre wrong, without fealty on if you hit a PLD face to face and shield blocks 1 hit of disseverment, the poison does not stick. I have tested this, 20/20 times disseverment poison failed. I even recorded it but never posted I figured everyone knew about this. I dont hit a PLD/RDM with disseverment unless he is slep so I can get em from behind or the sides. Try it with your PLD buddy that has shield skilled up, unless there was a path in the past 3 weeks that I didnt know, Shield mastery is broken. Same thing goes for Head Butt and any other single or multi hit spell. Try it if you want. Except the only difference between headbutt and diss, is that head butt is a single hit, thus the chances of 1 hit being blocked as opposed to 5 is zinch, and therefor stun sometimes sticks. Again, this is without Fealty, which is why I meantioned it smile.gif I know it makes no sense, which is why it ticked me off when I found out, I figured I was just a late bloomer.

There is a few things people don't know about BLU, like did you know that Actinic Burst wipes Blink shadows? Not utsusemi, but the magic spell Blink. Also, it was really gay when I discovered this, but I was nin/rng and this blu was casting radiant breath on me while I was bound, i popped a spiritual incense and it didnt work...what...the...fawk?Doesnt carnal incense work on physical spells? Also, why does carnal incense work on ranged attacks and there is an incense that makes ranged attacks obsolete ;_; And how can you parry counter and block and guard while casting a spell??See? I can bitch about ballista too, but Id rather improvise and work with my team to do what I can win and I do, cause maybe I cant beat a RDM with my nin head on, but I can definately take them down with the help of my team, thats what ballista is about, its about strategy not wishing your job was perfect for all situatons.

I would like to test that, but not many people are willing to be guinea pigs for this sort of thing...
Also, I got a few questions about your tests.

Were you the BLU or your opponent?

What were said BLU's merits/gear? Cause if he's lacking Magic Accuracy merits and/or homam helm or even nashira... it's quite possible you/him simply resisted.

Did the PLD let himself get killed after each successful stick? Cause poison IS a status effect, and they do eventually start getting resisted when you abuse them.

Was Chain Affinity used?


As for the shadow wiping thing.. I'm very much so aware of that. In fact I think Rambus made a list back in the day of the effects of blue magic on certain shadow types (Utsusemi and Blink). If you're a BLU, live by that list. Memorize the whole damn thing. But you gotta find it first tongue.gif

Yea a few BLU spells don't behave as they should in ballista (as listed in your experience with the breath spell), which is what makes the magic oh so fun to use.
Here's a fun fact: Jettatura also wipes Blink shadows. Despite not being AoE biggrin.gif Just learned this 4 days ago.



I was the BLU and yes we figured that poison resists build over time like any enfeebling, we thought of all that and Chain Affinity was used as much as possible. I have 7 blu magic skill merits and 3 in magic accuracy and max physical, I was wearing jubbah and Im missing homam head piece, but the only time Ive seen Disseverment poison resist is with my ranger using an Orochi Nodowa >.>. And although Im missing Homam Head, 20 unsuccesful tries was a little odd. It led us to believe that Shield mastery, if it blocks even 1 hit of a multi hit spell it will block its status effect, which is why we tried head butt, and it only resists when shield blocks it, how we figured it was blocked is by the damage, my headbutt was usually doing high dmg, it even went to 104 with CA on the PLD, so when the dmg was really low and the stun effect resisted, we realized Shield Blocks pretty much any status effect that goes with it. Also we hit Disseverment from the front, it got resisted, we hit disseverment from the back...his HP started to go down. PLD died a few times to restart the test. The same thing happened when I was fighting another PLD, and it happened with this other PLD in 1 vs 1. So if the PLD has Shield skill really high...or even equipment that enhances shield skill...it's almost impossible to stick poison on them.

If Jettarura wipes Blink...then RDM 1 vs 1 a BLU is even more dangerous XD Of course its only a gaze attack ;_; but an unexperienced RDM wont expect it (/--)/ Jettarua ====> pinecone bomb ====> chaotic eye ====> death. Or so I wish
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lol your complaining about jetstream? Really...
The only Physical Damage spells worth casting on Blu are Headbutt Frypan Dissenvertment and Cannonball

I note what I could do to say that its possible and that you don't have to be a bitch and quit because of Blu. Its not Blue Mages fault that a majority of the ballista community are scared little bitches.

lolcursing is fun biggrin.gif
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Jet stream in 60s is killer, also it + bludgeon in lower caps is way too strong
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Shinsei :
When you BLOCK with ur shield, you can block poison from disservement I do this all the time in both Ballista AND when i used to solo aerns in sea.....whenever u shield block it, u block the poison

I thought this was already common knowledge

You gotta understand though, from a PLD's perspective: it doesn't make sense.
I've blocked plenty of attacks from various HNM with en-status effects and Shield blocking has never really stopped the effect. Omega still en-Stun'd me, Alastor Antlion still en-Petrified me, and Tzee Xicu still en-Paralyzed me. So why is blue magic special? See... this is what I meant when I said Blue magic reacts funny in some senses. Oh well.
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lmao blu is a joke in 60cap
ohnoez a 250 dmg spell that costs 1/5 of my mp pool!
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I forget we had good blus on hades, fenrir was just lolallovertheplace

Jet stream to kill off runners, and omgbluwhoheal!

fenrir has given you a poor understanding of real ballista!
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Seriously, haha, I don't know what jokes play on Fenrir, but never-missing mid-range jet streams to polish off the last 250-350 hp of whoever got nailed by that ws/aoe/gang-raping from any direction or after being stun-locked happened often on Hades, with good reason.

I'd never blame the blus -- they're just using what SE gave them to work with. The problem is that their tools weren't scaled towards PVP, obviously, given the 99% success rate of things like stun, and the accuracy of certain spells.

I can't expect SE to have scaling damage and accuracy formulas, though, as their main focus is making sure none of the spells realistically work against anything a blu would fight post-75.
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Temadian :
I forget we had good blus on hades, fenrir was just lolallovertheplace

Jet stream to kill off runners, and omgbluwhoheal!

fenrir has given you a poor understanding of real ballista!

You didn't mind it when you were there.
*ahem*
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Good music btw lol
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Interesting thread, thought I'd come stop by and says whats up...whats up!
After much consideration I dont think I'm going to Siren, even though I love ballista, and it has completly died on Hades with the exception of 4 man Dioramas with Cheyne Jamoooo Lilweeble and myself, and the sometimes LS rented out dioramas with a bunch of SAM/RNG's showing up.
For the most part it's just become so upsetting how its ended up, being a MNK all I ever see is "Some asshole readies Sidewinder" and I know its comming at me, after a year of it, its just like...well I'm kind of tired of seeing this over and over again.
I accomplished my goal by getting 10 gold's...not much of an accomplishment for some people, but it was good enough for me, so I am going to retire from ballista and get serious about end game I suppose, was fun while it lasted...
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that was actually on hades haha

I think I did drk/sam once on fenrir, the amount of sam/rngs there made me drk/nin the whole time, like Ive said, fenrir was full of drk/nin sam/rng in most of the matches, sadly every time I would go to hit people, they had shadows up because mages dont do their job. And, I usually always had my shadows up too because people wouldnt aga. Funny thing is, on siren I actually get gravity a ton shoved on me, because the rdms that came from hades like to screw with me, but it doesnt stop me from going war/sam

And BR, good luck with the end game, if you get bored of it, come to siren! We were waiting for you punk! Have been in some great 3vs3 there lol, yes theres bigger matches then that, but it has to be closer to jp prime for those to happen
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Temadian, if I make a mule on Siren, will you be my friend? >BO
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Im not on as much as I used to be, kind of dissapointed on the amount of 60s I have to miss now, but they are so worth it
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Im not on as much as I used to be, kind of dissapointed on the amount of 60s I have to miss now, but they are so worth it



You like going for my rng in 60 caps sometimes dont ya you sonnavabitch
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rng/sams are fun to poke at biggrin.gif
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why are people still complaining about blu?

if you play right a blu can't get a spell off unless it is tempral shift, cannonball, actic burst, and a few others like jet stream.. maybe.

he ment WS have a longer range then most blu phy spells and this is correct. and you can WS and run. you can not run and cast a blue short range spell.

PLD with shild caped and right geared mnks ( gaurd cap helps a lot too) are a bigger threat to me then blus killing mindless melee that stay on one spot.
also you have rng/sam and sam/rng score whores

im with skyrin, blu is a joke in 60.

sky you forgot VC, that spell is really fun with people that stand there thinking the ustu would protect them biggrin.gif

about the AOE spells not wiping ustu, i made a list about that.

50 and 60 BLM can be a threat to people with low hp. sleep > AM > dead.

useally easy to oneshot tarus like that.

food for thought:
not sure if SCH ga still hits the whole team but if you are up vs a team with a sch/whm or sch/rdm you are in trobble.

sch/rdm can phalanx and stoneskin a team making them a wall.
SCH AOE gravity, AOE BIND, AOE dispel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BLU crap magic AOE
a sch/whm can put down 1400 cures to the hole team.
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nobody cares about uncap

and yes, sch is nasty mean, there are a couple good ones on siren that I hate to see because nobody goes for them, just lets them run around doing whatever they want
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kinda funny how every blu says " WE ARNT OVER POWERED NOOBS "

yet everyone that isnt a blu, or who isnt someone benefiting from them is saying ur over powered....



DUHHHHHHHHHH a retard could point this one out guys... and its not just noobs complaining.. u guys are overpowered just fucking admit it already.
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its just like every sam/rng when seigan wasnt nerfed sayign it took skill to play the job combo, seigan nerf but they still an easy job to play, yet so many refuse to admit it
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Rufio doesn't seem to complain. And he's a MNK.
Skyrin ain't bitching either. He's a DRG.

A BLU is only as strong as you allow them to be. You let them walk around unchecked yea they will wreak destruction on a huge scale. You have a RDM pay attention and they're forced to be a little more cautious (or take them out directly. But that's generally more hassle than it's worth.)

A BLU is no more broken than a RDM. Both jobs put melee's on the ground 9/10 times, just a difference in speed/methods. Only RDM has been doing it since '05, now where's the whining about them?
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Aeonknight :
Rufio doesn't seem to complain. And he's a MNK.
Skyrin ain't bitching either. He's a DRG.

A BLU is only as strong as you allow them to be. You let them walk around unchecked yea they will wreak destruction on a huge scale. You have a RDM pay attention and they're forced to be a little more cautious (or take them out directly. But that's generally more hassle than it's worth.)

A BLU is no more broken than a RDM. Both jobs put melee's on the ground 9/10 times, just a difference in speed/methods. Only RDM has been doing it since '05, now where's the whining about them?


i see whining about rdms all the time.. dunno what ur talking about.

im not saying blu is the strongest, theyre just overpowered. And its true that a rdm and blu could ground a melee 9/10 times, but a rdm cant kill them 9/10 times under 10 seconds, EVEN if they surprise them. A blu doesnt even need to surprised them Lol they could /tell them they were coming 2 minutes ahead and still kick their ass if they REALLY wanted to.

So.. wheres the equality in that?
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