[TheGriever]

K, I hate windows vista, but I edited the music as best as I could. Dig in.

For those who didnt read my last post, its the video I mentioned before of DRK/RDM versus a BLU using silence to dominate the match, then the BLU getting clever and using a resist silence set up that makes things a little more interesting. It's a video for those failures of DRK and SAM who refuse to admit that BLU isnt overpowered, you just suck fighting them. Ive heard so many DRG DRK and SAM who just happen to be the ones that complaint the most about BLU, but seriously, BLU is at the top of the charts, youre just too dumb to find a way to accept that theres other ways of playing than charging in and standing still looking stupid while the BLU kills you.

Jobs that can kill a decent BLU if the player isnt a moron, who quits ballista because cannonball broke her nail are: DRK PLD RDM BLM SAM MNK/DNC, and of course another BLU.

Jobs that can solo a RDM: ...... OMGWTFLOL really? @_@ oh but hey lets all blame BLU because it is a new job that came out after.

Jobs that can solo a PLD/RDM: RDM, PLD, BLU, that's it. Holy sh&t batman BLU has more enemies than PLD? what a surprise! Shield mastery can block disseverment's poison and headbutt stun? Oh well I'm still going to quit ballista and send a letter to SE because I can't find the time to watch my back when that BLU started casting blastbomb, instead I was stubborn enough to continue hacking at this war running away towards his team. Yah....

Jobs that can solo a BLM: RDM PLD BLU, yup that's it. You care to argue otherwise? You all know the script, sleepga ===> gravity, Nuke, bind, Nuke, the end. if I missed a job that can escape that, let me know.

***Ok so you know a guy that can beat this gimped RDM as lolDRG, so what? those descriptions I just said are not based on skilled players playing morons, I'm simply taking equipment and skill into an equal consideration and making the list as what is fact about the job's tools and abilities that allow a player to kill another player. Meaning, its like arguing against the truth, RDM is the best at soloing people so therefor wether you think youre better than everyone else, a good RDM shouldnt lose because of it's assets. To clarify it even further, I know a BLM can nuke a RDM to death if the RDM is unlucky or makes a mistake, but we all know RDM is king when it comes to soloing others, which is why BLU can kill a PLD but in all honesty the fight's victory is on the PLD side. Yes PLD can kill BLM, only because of Fealty which is in no way broken at all, no no...and chivalry which makes refresh look like childsplay, nope...only BLU is the one who we should blame our woes on. How about those 900 Sidewinders I shoot all day in 60 cap? Somehow that SAM/RNG still seems to kill faster than me though...hmm oh well back to hating BLU because I can't learn to beat it. The end.


Now for the Video: http://files.filefront.com/Griever+vs+Yuxi...;/fileinfo.html

I liked to add that the last fight before we went to sleep it was just pretty much messing around, but magnitite cloud is the right idea to avoid any unwanted sprinting

Aeonknight :
No /PLD?
UR DOIN IT WRONG!

Nah dude... /PLD = Slept and Silenced. But it probably holds its own too.

[Konda]

nice vid. now that some people know how blu plays from a blu's perspective, they'll hopefully realise that they arent all that big and scary >.>;

[Aeonknight]

Hey, where'd my post go?

edit:
Well watched it. Saw a few crucial screw ups on your part... but let's not go there.

In response to your response about /PLD...
Zephyr Mantle. DRK is still going to have to Diaga you to wipe shadows, which means no sleep. And you get Shield Bash to prevent him silencing after Stun (assuming it doesn't stick for a good 10 seconds. invest in Arete del sol's)

[Vijitt]

Aeon, but thats all theory, i wanna see action. put it to the test and post a vid of you vs a good drk/rdm (im guessing you fought a good one if your so sure your theory will hold up). if you cant record then maybe you can ask a friend who can do it for you

[Skyrin]

My Blu vs Sakaio's Drk was so epic lol, fights went back and forth for hours :Q

edit: Just finished watching the video, if thats not proof enough idk what is. You both play well and have equal gear. Good fights and good vid! Thx!

[TheGriever]

Vijitt :
Aeon, but thats all theory, i wanna see action. put it to the test and post a vid of you vs a good drk/rdm (im guessing you fought a good one if your so sure your theory will hold up). if you cant record then maybe you can ask a friend who can do it for you

Actually its not really much of a theory, I completely forgot about shield bash. On my other post, I mentioned that I should have been using Zephyr Mantle when I was playing /RDM, because he actually slept me twice at the start of the match and blink never took the hits that were crucial, it was so unrealiable as a sub. But Aeon if you notice a few of those fights, and I think Im missing two of them because we didnt start recording the matches until I thought of it, but for a few fights everytime I temp shift, or headbutt, I wouldnt recover fast enough, shield bash as a sub would be that way too. In other words if people havent noticed yet, that BLU stun spells are not only not as potent as the real spell stun, but the spell animation and recovery take so long that stun is merely a spell interruption and in some cases you can hope to cast another spell right after, which does happen often but it's hard when his weapon bash is quicker AND lasts through a whole casting silence spell. Which is why he added a tip of using an Arete del Sol, incidentally I do have one and I bought it just to fight DRK, I just had it in mule and I was too freaking lazy to get it lol, I figured resist silence would be good enough, but that earring sure looked good all those times I got weapon bashed and stunned.

I shouldve kept utsusemi up more often and I wasnt expecting him to run so far when he got silenced lol, I shouldve also tried to blastbomb but stun spell is all he needed after diaga, youll notice how I started using regurgitation on a further match, thats probably how some of you see it as, it's interesting playing Yuxiang, he is so sneaky and much luckier than I am, I had much more things in mind that I wanted to prevent when I had the chance to cast a spell.

My highlights of my set up vs Silence were:

Flawless Ribbon Stealth Earring Petinent's Rope

Garrulous Ring Blood Greaves Aqua Ring

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I'd just thought I'd share this: If you can't dispel Phalanx, than you have no chance of killing PLD, shouldnt just stand in front of an Aegis PLD either, Shield Mastery is too strong for that. Theres not many jobs that can kill PLD/RDM, not many melee if any, I think DRK/RDM might, I know BLU is capable but needs dispel too and it's a very hard fight, BLM uhh ever since fealty came out it's almost impossible without sprinting like a bitch. RDM of course can...SAM/DNC maybe, I dunno if this sub has been nerfed yet >.>

DRK/RDM is capable right?

[Shinsei]

1st Fight

I don't get why you're /nin? I actually haven't seen blue/nin used in like in ages lol.

anyways, continue watching


Third Fight

Did that guy really run off.......lol......wow

The whole running across the entire zone is pretty damn lame in a 1vs1 Brawl....circling around someone to prevent shield blocking or just getting a few steps back for grav/bind/sleep purposes, etc, is one thing, but running to damn Zimbabwe and back is just retarded to me.

I'm actually disgusted he was running that far and that looooong......

Wierd, here in this part of the video it says blue/rdm, but I still see you casting utsusemi ichi? This is a lil above halfway in the video approximately.

Okay now about 70% into the video, you finally using /rdm

The fights are cool but this video has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much sprinting for a 1v1...getting kinda frustrated...I only consider that much sprinting ok in OM, but not in 1vs1s...


(yes I'm aware why the running take place, I just think they took it way too far. I still find it remotely stupid to be sprinting across the whole damn zone tbh...that's just really lame and boring.

I think there's a fine line between getting some distance and running like dick and harries all over the place.


Despite the massive sprinting, it was still entertaining, I just think you guys ran way too far sometimes. Should have kept it in that circle area. Running across the bridge to Timbuktu and back was pretty meh

[Aeonknight]

Actually Griever, Shield Bash is NOT nerfed as a sub. It's one of the better versions of stun we "have". Also, the other thing is when you were /NIN and silence wore, you would immediately Disseverment. No head butt, no shadows, no means of stalling that 2nd casting of silence. Hell even if you had properly timed that Disseverment to wait while he's half way through Silence it would've interrupted. But you jumped the gun and payed for it :dontgetit (refering to first fight.)

1 more thing: You were using Temporal Shift to stun/wipe blink. This I know. But have you given Tail Slap a try? Same effect, only knockback/stun and around 200+ dmg dealt. Not sure if the stun on it is more potent than Temporal's, but the knockback should stop him from casting just because of the server delay. Give it a shot



@ Vijitt
I'll work on finding a DRK/RDM to fight. I've fought Ladydeathstrike's on my server, won every time. But I'm sure she's gotten better (and lvl'd BLU to 75, so she knows the job. She's like... 1 of 3 active BLU on my server, myself included.) Maybe I can get Rufio to film it.

[Vijitt]

all right! another balli vid ^^^ GL Aeon!

[TheGriever]

Aeon I didnt know Shield Bash wasnt gimped as a sub, I'll give it a try, but I think /RDM is much better only because it adds another resist silence trait + baraero and a bunch of other goodies. I was only using /NIN because it's a decent 1 vs 1 sub against two handed weapons and I wanted to show the limits of it, I use /NIN as BLU a bit. Shinsei I appretiate your criticism but please STFU, you know the reason why he was running so much, I silenced him and I'm BLU, I have all these faggots whining about how BLU is so overpowered I don't blame Yux for running to stall for time so that his silence wore off, I sorta did the same but I felt too lazy to run far, I didnt care much. He played to win and that was his best choice, if you don't like it, stand still in front of the BLU helplessly while you get killed, yeah thats fun to watch ain't it shinsei. It's strategy, I was expecting some arrogant critic like you when I knew I recorded some running, w/e.

Aeon, I didnt trust head butt too much, which is why I did disseverment right away before I got silenced, you can see how I dont trust it anymore by how everytime I stun him, I get weapon bashed ===> silenced right after, I can't recover fast enough to cast again for soem reason, weapon bash is a faster recovery. Anyways I'll try doing what you said even though I've already tried it before, also I will try /PLD since you make it sound like fun lol. Oh and if I head butt thats only gonna end the same way, Ill hit em with Disseverment but Yux knows how to time it so well to cast or stun me right after, trust me dude, watch the vid again and look closely to his spell casting and weapon bash.

[rambus]

the thing i didn't like was casting HB when he casted blink, but at lest shows people why i made my list.

the second fight i found it funny you resisted the silence effect from gilo ( i think it does silence)

there was parts where it showed him casting stun after you cast a spell and i think that shows how slow those OMG .5 sec spells can be in this type of enovrment.

i would of liked to show people how someone that keeps hitting and running to a blu hurts too. and how you can easily get out of range of just about anything.

i think the drk could of kited your spells better, he ran in circle not in streat lines.

Aeon, I didnt trust head butt too much, which is why I did disseverment right away before I got silenced, you can see how I dont trust it anymore by how everytime I stun him, I get weapon bashed ===> silenced right after, I can't recover fast enough to cast again for soem reason, weapon bash is a faster recovery. Anyways I'll try doing what you said even though I've already tried it before, also I will try /PLD since you make it sound like fun lol. Oh and if I head butt thats only gonna end the same way, Ill hit em with Disseverment but Yux knows how to time it so well to cast or stun me right after, trust me dude, watch the vid again and look closely to his spell casting and weapon bash.

the reason he is able to cast silance on you is this, if you headbutt ( and i dont think other people see this) you get a spell casting lag ( unable to cast spells for a short time) but still you should be able to headbutt > him start silance> frypan to stop that playstyle but at lest this shows the "stun" effects are rather short and almost imposable to "stun lock" someone

Jobs that can kill a decent BLU if the player isnt a moron, who quits ballista because cannonball broke her nail are: DRK PLD RDM BLM SAM MNK/DNC, and of course another BLU.

Jobs that can solo a RDM: ...... OMGWTFLOL really? @_@ oh but hey lets all blame BLU because it is a new job that came out after.

Jobs that can solo a PLD/RDM: RDM, PLD, BLU, that's it. Holy sh&t batman BLU has more enemies than PLD? what a surprise! Shield mastery can block disseverment's poison and headbutt stun? Oh well I'm still going to quit ballista and send a letter to SE because I can't find the time to watch my back when that BLU started casting blastbomb, instead I was stubborn enough to continue hacking at this war running away towards his team. Yah....

Jobs that can solo a BLM: RDM PLD BLU, yup that's it. You care to argue otherwise? You all know the script, sleepga ===> gravity, Nuke, bind, Nuke, the end. if I missed a job that can escape that, let me know.

i agree with this ecpt i think mnks can still sub other things to kill a blu.

[D-a-r-k-H-e-l-l]

Did that guy really run off.......lol......wow

I was thinking the same thing. I started only fighting ppl in the hut, if they want to explore every part of dio they can do that alone.

I read the both threads and they both seem like alot of ranting. As for ppl bitching about blus, and comparing it to pld and drks. First off, yes a drk can beat a blu pretty steady by rules of prebuffs, and maybe some running. Second pld/rdm pld/dnc can beat blu without effort with the def vs mp pool strategy. How ever no one bitches about them because in OMs they cannot come out of no where and instantly kill you or before team mates can make it to back you up.


Also how does a mnk/dnc kill a blu? Iv been sort of out ballista over the past few months and might of missed that.

Add "jobs that kill drk" Iv been waiting to see a strategy that will take down drk/rdms(good ones) for awhile, I actualy don't use drk/rdm in ballista anymore because of how over powered it is.

[Gokku]

mnk/pld is an easy way to kill a blu in fact mnk/pld is an effective way to kill a alot of jobs high dmg def and 2k fuckin HP *im galka* its funny telling people imma kill them with only 64 mp... then doing it

[D-a-r-k-H-e-l-l]

mnk/pld is annoying, I can see a galka mnk givng a blu trouble sentinel for blu is like garlic to a vampire. I dunno, I think I might change servers again to test alot of these ppls theorys on how to beat drks and plds.

[rambus]

beat drks and plds that are non-rdm and blm?

[D-a-r-k-H-e-l-l]

Well drk/rdm, main test iv done on pld is vs melee and blu.

[Aeonknight]

D-a-r-k-H-e-l-l :

Did that guy really run off.......lol......wow

I was thinking the same thing. I started only fighting ppl in the hut, if they want to explore every part of dio they can do that alone.

I read the both threads and they both seem like alot of ranting. As for ppl bitching about blus, and comparing it to pld and drks. First off, yes a drk can beat a blu pretty steady by rules of prebuffs, and maybe some running. Second pld/rdm pld/dnc can beat blu without effort with the def vs mp pool strategy. How ever no one bitches about them because in OMs they cannot come out of no where and instantly kill you or before team mates can make it to back you up.


Also how does a mnk/dnc kill a blu? Iv been sort of out ballista over the past few months and might of missed that.

Add "jobs that kill drk" Iv been waiting to see a strategy that will take down drk/rdms(good ones) for awhile, I actualy don't use drk/rdm in ballista anymore because of how over powered it is.

*Dies of heart attack*

Anywho, in regard to your ? on how MNK/DNC beats a BLU... only realistic way is to gear defensively, letting their spell spam feed you the TP you need to stay alive. But kite in between recasts so you don't get zerg'd. Eventually they'll have to run out of MP. However, that's more so for against your average lawlzerg BLU. A smart BLU knows ways around it. On top of that, not sure MNK can get enough defensive gear to withstand the onslaught without a defensive sub (which DNC is not.) They'd need some top of the line defensive gear. Like D ring or something.

[D-a-r-k-H-e-l-l]

Yeah it just seems that with blus powerful poison and ability to stun lock and deal massive dmg within seconds there would be a way around it. After the /dnc update its amazing to here about anything /dnc other then pld because of the huge decrease in cures.

[Kobra]

Shin find me a blu!

[TheGriever]

sub DNC got nerfed big time....*sigh* I had forgotten. I kind of wish it didnt, I mean don't get me wrong, it was so annoying but it brought a new sub to those high TP jobs like MNK and SAM and hell theres even a PLD/DNC with a kraken club that would cure my team quite nicely. I never leveled /dnc but I was hoping it was there to stay as it was in the beginning because it made things more interesting, I would have to burn a ton of MP to bring a MNK/DNC down with full tp, as RNG, It was almost impossible to kill em fast enough, and what balences that job is that they use their TP to do it so you dont have to worry about their offense so much. Oh well, I guess DNC got nerfed because it didnt just affect ballista, it got nerfed because it affected things outside of ballista.

Oh and again, yes Yux ran a lot when he got silenced, but did you see what happened after? He won that match. If he hadnt stalled me, he wouldve got the usual Big 3 death which I'm sure all the noobs are used to it. I ran too so I can stall especially with my job traits, but I didnt bother runnin too much because I didnt really care to win as much as some people do, besides he started making sure I was gravitized before enduring the rest of the fight. Honestly, you probably were looking for a reason to open your mouths, but if you'd rather watch a dull match of the usual Diss Hysteric Frenetic, DRKs dead routine that's fine, but it made the match fun for me because now I had to deal with an oponent who wouldnt stay still for me to kill em...wow...that sounds kind of silly if I expected him to just die, it made start setting regurgitation and magnitite cloud in my spell list. It's just a strategy, if you want to lose the match, just stand still and die, but I'm gonna be bored out of my mind beating you. That's just my opinion, I'm sure some disagree because they don't like squirmy targets. After all this talk about how BLU is so over-powered, I can't believe ppl would actually blame some one from running away to win the match lol. Regurgitation FTW!!!!!!