[Sanjiyan]

I'd be careful about overestimating the DA+1%... remember indra katars? They have TA+1% and additional lightning damage (even if it procs rarely) and people put it off rather quickly, likewise WAR AF feet which is also DA+1%. The acc+10 is nice, and the STR+3 is a nice bonus... but crit is just that nice.

I'd imagine it'll be fairly close, and that's comparing straight weapon to weapon, because the hachiryu haramaki is definitely better than shura togi.

Doesn't mean I don't want one though.

[Asamibabe]

My opinion on these two new items.

THE One item:
Hachiryu Haramaki
DEF: 52 Accuracy +20 Att+20
Critical Hitrate +5%
Enhances Zanshin Effect
Set: Enhances Store TP Effect
WAR, MNK, RNG, SAM, NIN
Lv 75


Now this item out of all items deserve mucho attention. Why? All other items released by SE the past year have done very lil to improve mnk in merits/etc. This one item, is the BB of tomorrow.

Let me explain. Usu gear versus god gear: there's no real difference in output. Someone with the best gear in the game (pre-salvage) will do equally as well to the next mnk who has the best gear in the game (post-salvage). The only salvage gear for mnk that warrants attention is the feet and head. The feet being situational (for ws). The contentious debate about which one is better has been talked about. There really is no clear answer, meaning they're equally good for the most part.

Now this bad boy Hachiryu Haramaki is insane. There is absolutely no debate about this next piece being the BEST. It is leaps and bounds better than any other mnk body in the game. Not by a lil, not by a so so amount, but by far.

Shura Togi was the best mnk body ws and melee gear.

10 acc, 20 attk

This sexiness adds the following to that:
+10 acc, 5% Crits and zanshin

That's nuts, That's like a Ohat and a destroyers. I would be happy alone with 20acc and 20 at, but then they had to throw in 5% crits. OmG! . Zanshin is coo to. There will be no comparison in merit pts with a mnk equally geared, skilled and merited vs another mnk, with the difference of one of them having H.H. and the other having shura. The superior H.H. mnk will outparse the other mnk (lets say, that person is the current Asamibabe) (^^) by atleast 3-5%.
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Talking about destroyers, some folks be hyping up the new mnk/pup weapon:

Shlng. Baghnakhs
DMG:+21 Delay:+51 STR+3 Accuracy+10 "Double Attack"+1% "Subtle Blow"+3
Lv. 71 MNK/PUP

It's sexy no doubt, but comparable to destroyers. I doubt it will be better than destroyers, but it could be. If it is better, the acc, similar delay, and +3 to its dmg will make it better. I could care less about the 1% DA.
1%DA=1%crit in my book.

DA = double dmg per swing
Crit = double dmg per swing (if not more)

DA is only marginally better than Crit. Reason is because you can Crit on the DA swing. They would be equal if it wasn't for that.

So the new weapon from what I can tell is probably an equal to destroyers. For mnks who don't have an acc problem, Destroyers all the way. For mnks who need more acc (which is most mnks. Most mnks I've seen parsed don't reach 90% acc in merits, including me). For mnks who need some extra acc, this equals destroyers.

Just my theory. I'll never know until I get my hands on these and merit with and without them in a merit pt.

So the comparison is:
6% Crit vs +3 dmg, 10 acc, 1% DA and ... lol 3 str

I dunno, it's a close call. Like I said, comparable to destroyers.

[Luciendarr]

Asamibabe :
My opinion on these two new items.

THE One item:
Hachiryu Haramaki
DEF: 52 Accuracy +20 Att+20
Critical Hitrate +5%
Enhances Zanshin Effect
Set: Enhances Store TP Effect
WAR, MNK, RNG, SAM, NIN
Lv 75


Now this item out of all items deserve mucho attention. Why? All other items released by SE the past year have done very lil to improve mnk in merits/etc. This one item, is the BB of tomorrow.

Let me explain. Usu gear versus god gear: there's no real difference in output. Someone with the best gear in the game (pre-salvage) will do equally as well to the next mnk who has the best gear in the game (post-salvage). The only salvage gear for mnk that warrants attention is the feet and head. The feet being situational (for ws). The contentious debate about which one is better has been talked about. There really is no clear answer, meaning they're equally good for the most part.

Now this bad boy Hachiryu Haramaki is insane. There is absolutely no debate about this next piece being the BEST. It is leaps and bounds better than any other mnk body in the game. Not by a lil, not by a so so amount, but by far.

Shura Togi was the best mnk body ws and melee gear.

10 acc, 20 attk

This sexiness adds the following to that:
+10 acc, 5% Crits and zanshin

That's nuts, That's like a Ohat and a destroyers. I would be happy alone with 20acc and 20 at, but then they had to throw in 5% crits. OmG! . Zanshin is coo to. There will be no comparison in merit pts with a mnk equally geared, skilled and merited vs another mnk, with the difference of one of them having H.H. and the other having shura. The superior H.H. mnk will outparse the other mnk (lets say, that person is the current Asamibabe) (^^) by atleast 3-5%.
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Talking about destroyers, some folks be hyping up the new mnk/pup weapon:

Shlng. Baghnakhs
DMG:+21 Delay:+51 STR+3 Accuracy+10 "Double Attack"+1% "Subtle Blow"+3
Lv. 71 MNK/PUP

It's sexy no doubt, but comparable to destroyers. I doubt it will be better than destroyers, but it could be. If it is better, the acc, similar delay, and +3 to its dmg will make it better. I could care less about the 1% DA.
1%DA=1%crit in my book.

DA = double dmg per swing
Crit = double dmg per swing (if not more)

DA is only marginally better than Crit. Reason is because you can Crit on the DA swing. They would be equal if it wasn't for that.

So the new weapon from what I can tell is probably an equal to destroyers. For mnks who don't have an acc problem, Destroyers all the way. For mnks who need more acc (which is most mnks. Most mnks I've seen parsed don't reach 90% acc in merits, including me). For mnks who need some extra acc, this equals destroyers.

Just my theory. I'll never know until I get my hands on these and merit with and without them in a merit pt.

So the comparison is:
6% Crit vs +3 dmg, 10 acc, 1% DA and ... lol 3 str

I dunno, it's a close call. Like I said, comparable to destroyers.

I believe that salvage gear has been deemed better than god gear, both when used as a set and mixed and matched. I'm not trying to say that this new body won't be tits, I'm just not so sure that by itself it's going to outparse full Usukane. Set bonuses are a bitch. Also, aren't Usukane feet are not situational? I don't think that anyone who has a pair would say they use dunes or fumas (or whatever), more often than they use Usukane.

[pathwriter]

Actually, Usukane Sune-Ate just became situational due to Footwork. Prior to that, no, you wouldn't touch Dune Boots over them unless you were fighting Too Weaks (and, even then, I usually opt for Haste on them just to avoid looking at Leather Highboots all the time).

Beyond that, the functional difference between full Usukane and mix-and-match sky gear is a lot less than you might imagine. Usukane is better, particularly in terms of overall Accuracy, but the actual gains seen by those who have it have been largely nominal. Since sky gear doesn't suffer from the overwhelming detriments that things like Haubergeon have, the added defensive stats are less critical, too, though it is nice to not lose HP for the sake of outputting damage. That said, if I won the Bonanza and was denied the gil prize, I'd have to think for quite a long time about whether I'd want Shrua Togi +1 or Usukane Haramaki because, really, if there was a chance in hell of my getting full Usukane, I'd go for it.

[InuiBanshin]

Footwork got me 43% return on Asuran Fists. Did around 900~ dmg on a too weak colibri in Ronfaure_S. Then I did Dragon Kick. 26% TP return in exchange for a 1750 dmg DK on another Colibri. I'm really not sure if this was a fluke or not but holy bawlz.

[Asamibabe]

Path, thanks for pointing out Usu gear is sexy, but it's also about the epeen and looks factor that makes it nice to. (^^) Pretty much what Path said is that there is not real "nominal" (parsed) difference between the two, as a whole, and mixed. Of course having all the gears at hand will make you most versatile.

Anyways, I would like to contend that the mix-em and match-em with Hachiryu Haramaki will be superior "by far" than any other combination out there. But yeah, the new footwork 'ja' complicates this.

It comes down to the situation. As everyone should know, you want a good mix of acc, attk & haste.

1) After you have enough acc, add up attk and haste.

That's the general rule. Gotta add up DA and crits to.

If I was Path, I would choose Usu body for epeen and looks. Also Path, you'll get H.H. one day, so who needs S-Togi +1?

[pathwriter]

We'll see where Hachiryu Haramaki comes from, but, at the moment, it seems to be the best stand-alone item.

The point I was making about the Bonanza was a purely theoretical one. If I actually did win, I couldn't be denied the money and I'd have to be mad to take even an HQ ground king abjuration (e.g., Armada Hauberk) over 100 million gil.

Full Usukane shouldn't be underestimated, though. Aurik reported a parsed gain of about 1%, which is a personal gain of somewhere on the range of 3%. That's substantive, it's about a third of the gain one sees going from Destroyers to Spharai.

What will be interesting is how Footwork ends up being used. It still feels like a pretentious gimmick, but if it can be exploited for TP gain, it might work out nicely. I hope people who plan to use Footwork extensively pick up some Wagh Baghnakhs or Hades Sainti or something (until we find out where these new Baghnakhs come from) 'cause Destroyers aren't going to help except with an occasional crit-hit Counter.

[Francisco II]

This new body actually has me furious - as I'm 14/15 on Usukane...

Of all the slots SE could have upgraded...

» How about a ring with something besides Attack/Accuracy/STR/DEX?

» How about a pair of chakra shoes, that aren't acquired by starting, and not finishing, a quest?

God damn, I hate Walahra Turbans. I'll still wear Usukane full time regardless.

The new weapon seems sexilicious.

I have high hopes for Hermes Sandals.

At least we got a better ammo item, which is almost on par with Fire Bomblet. I never understood why they avoided that.

[pathwriter]

What the hell else would you want on a ring? There's, uh... name escapes me right now, but the 5 STR ring that gives 2 Counter in Salvage, not to mention the 5 DEX one with 2% Double Attack in Salvage. Really, though, anything you could want on a ring except a substantial amount of Attack (5 doesn't cut it at level 75) is available to you. A serious Counter ring might be nice, I suppose, instead of a latent or zone specific one.

Complete your Usukane Haramaki, Francisco. You don't want to be wearing some idiot Domaru, anyhow.

[Francisco II]

They should have put the 5% Critical Hit Rate on a ring instead of the Domaru!

[pathwriter]

Ooooh... ok, yeah, that'd be pretty sexy.

[Frisk]

Looking at this armor reminds me of how I felt towards getting a shura-togi when I was still sporting af1 body. Can't wait for the day when I can slap one on!!!