[Zaiel]

so i am lookin to level another job. dancer really caught my eye, but i have a question, does dancer do well in a merit party? will i get invites and people not bitch about havin a dnc in ur pt? can dnc solo merits? if so how good is exp/hr?

[Kaparu]

Well, you know how Scholar is a healer, but isn't very desirable because they can't actually Haste people?

That's about how desirable Dancer is in a merit-scene.

[Erlayn]

Campain.... learn to love it.

~Erl

[Noticiero]

scholar is healer and DD + support, not only healer

[Kaparu]

Noticiero :
scholar is healer and DD + support, not only healer

No sweety, just no.

[Noticiero]

i think you need to go back to scholar forums, i do 1.6k on puddings 1.2k faf, also re-read all metticus stuff

good examples here


http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=168872
http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=168885

do me a favor stop posting random lies about jobs that you don't even have

[Kaparu]

Hey, dipshit? This thread is about meriting, you know, Nyzul Isle, Bhaflau Thickets?

Read the thread topic before opening your mouth.

[Noticiero]

Kaparu :
Hey, dipshit? This thread is about meriting, you know, Nyzul Isle, Bhaflau Thickets?

Read the thread topic before opening your mouth.

Irony,.
I was waiting for a response about scholar being just a healer but no...You realized that you are just a troll

[Cream Soda]

How was he trolling. The question was regarding merit points. You coming out of nowhere and saying that SCH can do 1.2k on fafnir, is 100% unrelated. Kaparu was referring to SCH being healers in parties, not in endgame. The troll here, is you.

[Erlayn]

Back on topic. I went 60-75 on Dnc doing nothing but campain. It's fun, easy xp and I still use it to xp/merit. I don't know what a merit pt is anymore in all honesty. I don't party up anymore for xp unless there's the extreme case I'm bored with campain.......hahahaha not anytime soon.

~Erl

[Arkley]

DNC are generally seen as undesirable for merit parties, but that doesn't mean you won't occassionally get an invite or won't be able to build one yourself. If we were to make a list of desirable jobs for regular TP burn merit parties, with BRD, RDM & COR at the top and BLM at the bottom, DNC would be somewhere around the lower half. If you're looking for a job to earn merits with, pick something else. If you took a look and DNC and decided you liked the job, then by all means, go for it

[ohhai2u]

Noticiero :
scholar is healer and DD + support, not only healer

whooosh

[Cyberghost]

Ok I don't know if I can agree with the majority of what was posted above. My DNC has been 75 for several months and I'm not just saying this because I'm a DNC but in my own opinion a DNC is a very effective job for meriting.

For those of you thinking to yourself why is he stating the obvious below to the rest of us who play DNC? It's not for your benefit it's for Zaiel's who asked the question. Not to mention for those of you who give DNC a bad name LOL.

Here are a few reasons why.

Everyone would agree that the faster a mob dies and limiting down time to zero makes for a good merit party right? Well we have plenty of resources to assist with that process.

1. Haste Sambas - Haste = increase in DOT right?
2. Def Down or ACC Down = Mob has less Def or you have more ACC so you do more DMG right?
3. Drain Sambas are great to use for mobs who use AOE because your whole party is effected by HP and so as they melee they do more DMG draining from the mob decreasing the amount of cures your mages have to use. Which impacts the amount of down time your party has and increases DOT right?
4. Violent Flourish is great for NIN tanks that can't get their shadows up or to attempt to stop an AOE or heavy nuke form going off which again decreases cures or potential death minimizing downtime.
5. DNC can melee I don't see many BRDs doing that. Our DMG isn't great but still we do some.
6. DNC can pull. At about 25% or less of a mobs HP my Sambas are still up and I take off after a mob so that we are killing one mob after another. Jig helps with longer distances getting to the mob.
7. We can back up heal or main heal depending on party set-up and build.
8. We can create our own SCs so that we can give the desired BLM something additional to burst off of or with reflurish start SCs so that you’re heavy DD can close it.

I was in a merit party the other day as a DNC and we had a BRD, NIN, and 3 WAR. We were doing an average of 15K an hour and no one had a probelm with the fact that I was a DNC. Not to mention with Attack and ACC up from our BRD and EVA Down and DEF down stacked people were amazed at the increse in DMG they were doing.

[Kaparu]

1. Haste Sambas - Haste = increase in DOT right?
2. Def Down or ACC Down = Mob has less Def or you have more ACC so you do more DMG right?
3. Drain Sambas are great to use for mobs who use AOE because your whole party is effected by HP and so as they melee they do more DMG draining from the mob decreasing the amount of cures your mages have to use. Which impacts the amount of down time your party has and increases DOT right?
4. Violent Flourish is great for NIN tanks that can't get their shadows up or to attempt to stop an AOE or heavy nuke form going off which again decreases cures or potential death minimizing downtime.
5. DNC can melee I don't see many BRDs doing that. Our DMG isn't great but still we do some.
6. DNC can pull. At about 25% or less of a mobs HP my Sambas are still up and I take off after a mob so that we are killing one mob after another. Jig helps with longer distances getting to the mob.
7. We can back up heal or main heal depending on party set-up and build.
8. We can create our own SCs so that we can give the desired BLM something additional to burst off of or with reflurish start SCs so that you’re heavy DD can close it.

1. Haste Samba doesn't do jack for recasts, and is half, to one third as effective as the alternatives.

2. Box Step, Quick Step, meet Dia and Gravity.

3. Merit parties don't need backup healers.

4. Merit parties don't need Stun.

5. You're the equivalent of a weak Thief without any of the job's utility.

6. What exactly is your Bard doing?

7. Merit parties don't need backup healers. Main healers can cast Haste.

8. Merit parties don't have Black Mages.


Reading the thread may prove to be advantageous. We're all aware that a party won't crumble before the incompetence that is Dancer, but it plays no vital, or optimal role in a merit party. One shouldn't aim to get 15k/H.

[Laverna]

Cyberghost :
Ok I don't know if I can agree with the majority of what was posted above. My DNC has been 75 for several months and I'm not just saying this because I'm a DNC but in my own opinion a DNC is a very effective job for meriting.

For those of you thinking to yourself why is he stating the obvious below to the rest of us who play DNC? It's not for your benefit it's for Zaiel's who asked the question. Not to mention for those of you who give DNC a bad name LOL.

Here are a few reasons why.

Everyone would agree that the faster a mob dies and limiting down time to zero makes for a good merit party right? Well we have plenty of resources to assist with that process.

1. Haste Sambas - Haste = increase in DOT right?
2. Def Down or ACC Down = Mob has less Def or you have more ACC so you do more DMG right?
3. Drain Sambas are great to use for mobs who use AOE because your whole party is effected by HP and so as they melee they do more DMG draining from the mob decreasing the amount of cures your mages have to use. Which impacts the amount of down time your party has and increases DOT right?
4. Violent Flourish is great for NIN tanks that can't get their shadows up or to attempt to stop an AOE or heavy nuke form going off which again decreases cures or potential death minimizing downtime.
5. DNC can melee I don't see many BRDs doing that. Our DMG isn't great but still we do some.
6. DNC can pull. At about 25% or less of a mobs HP my Sambas are still up and I take off after a mob so that we are killing one mob after another. Jig helps with longer distances getting to the mob.
7. We can back up heal or main heal depending on party set-up and build.
8. We can create our own SCs so that we can give the desired BLM something additional to burst off of or with reflurish start SCs so that you’re heavy DD can close it.

I was in a merit party the other day as a DNC and we had a BRD, NIN, and 3 WAR. We were doing an average of 15K an hour and no one had a probelm with the fact that I was a DNC. Not to mention with Attack and ACC up from our BRD and EVA Down and DEF down stacked people were amazed at the increse in DMG they were doing.

I had to bold the words u wrote there. As I think and everyone can agree every job can be "effective" at everything. When it comes to some events or merits I think a lot of the posters are not looking for effective but for best. I am a 75 PUP and 75 SCH; these jobs are very "effective" in merit parties, say bird camp, (because it’s the best). But if I want the fastest possible merits cause I find exping boring in its repetitiveness I will always go with my 75 DRK with Ebody and riddil. I’ll add a COR BRD RDM and Wars with Ebody and riddil it’s not 15k hr exp its 30k hr + exp.

All the things you listed about DNC are true. In my example of a set up a bird dies in fewer than 30 seconds, and that is why in merits many jobs don’t debuff the mob, besides Elegy mostly because the BRD pulls with it. For that reason DNC can not straight replace any of the better merit jobs in an Ideal situation but instead help you suffer less if one of the better merit jobs is missing. I have fun on my PUP and SCH and again have merited with them both.

So it goes back to poster. Are you looking to see how effective a job is in a merit or how it compares to the best at it?

[Kyte]

1. Haste Samba stacks with Haste

2. Dia and Gravity stack with Box and Quick Step

3. Not all merit parties have a Bard. The world isn't perfect.

[Spartan]

Laverna :
I will always go with my 75 DRK with Ebody and riddil.

Wait what.

[Laverna]

Spartan :

Laverna :
I will always go with my 75 DRK with Ebody and riddil.

Wait what.

Referring to they Typo? ok Ridill fixed! sorry.

[Kaparu]

Kyte :
1. Haste Samba stacks with Haste

2. Dia and Gravity stack with Box and Quick Step

3. Not all merit parties have a Bard. The world isn't perfect.

1. And yet it still does shit for recasts. This also traces back to the rather key fact that merit parties do not need backup healers, which, subsequently means that you shouldn't have a Dancer in a party with someone who can Haste.

2. See: This^

3. For those of us with standards, yes, yes they do.


And to the above poster, I'm fairly certain he's referring to you're using Ridill on Dark Knight for anything outside of Blood Weapon.

[Cream Soda]

COR BRD RDM DD DD DD
BRD BRD RDM DD DD DD
BRD RDM DD DD DD DD

Anything outside of this and I will not be in your party, unless its a ls pt that's designed to help someone lv up who can't get another pt otherwise or if its a close friend, whose lv'ing an undesirable job, lets say pup and I want to help them.
Quickstep is not madgrial.
Box Step won't increase your damage the way Minuet does.
Haste samaba certainly isn't haste or march.

RDM + DNC + DD DD DD DD - just doesn't cut it, imo.
BRD + DNC + DD DD DD DD - haste samba doesn't lower utsu recast, which is the main reason you don't need an "tank" for these pts.
BRD + RDM + DNC + DD DD DD - Unless your DDs truly are shit, a 4th DD and brd songs on all 4 will kill anything a dnc can offer expwise.
Lets say you DO happen to need some back up healing. A sam/dnc can cover this just fine, while still providing more total party damage.

Edit: I know someone will dispute the above, so I will word it this way.
A brd and rdm are both looking for party, as well as 4 DDs with top notch gear for their jobs and a DNC
ANY SENSIBLE PERSON WOULD NOT TAKE THE DNC