[JackalTheManCat]

Sorry to re-rail the thread, but i'm confused by the arguments on earlier pages. I thought it was an accepted thing that HQ staves were the best debuffing gear for main slot? Alkalurops looks cool and all (could be fantastic for RDM para/etc) but unless you're wearing a funky gearset or my understanding of game mechanics is waaaay off... there's no way alka would beat HQ staff.

CHR is all good, but yes there is reducing return after you surpass enemy CHR by a certain amount. Magic acc isn't a fully understood value, but i'm sure it is at least a little intuitive if you look at the other known game mechanics. I forget who said earlier in the conversation that accuracy doesn't give a percentage increase (it does) but i imagine magic acc works similarly. Like maybe a certain amount of magic acc equates to a certain percentage increased spell accuracy, which then converts to a certain percentage increased landing rate depending on mob resistance etc.

Maybe it's because i leveled my bard semi-recently and remember what it was like sticking songs on exp mobs before 51, then with NQ staves, and then later upgrading to HQ staves. I know requiem never stuck on tiamat until i got apollo's staff. Not that i try a lot or anything >.>;

I am in a linkshell with a bard who uses alkalurops (and ghorn ironically) and even she says she thinks HQ staves are better. She doesn't really need them to stick songs though, so she likes the universality of CHR/Macc over carrying around various staves for lullaby/elegy/threnody/etc. Plus she has RDM and it's pretty sexy for some other debuffs as well.

[Saxonian]

JackalTheManCat, on 31 October 2009 - 11:03 AM, said:

I am in a linkshell with a bard who uses alkalurops (and ghorn ironically) and even she says she thinks HQ staves are better. She doesn't really need them to stick songs though, so she likes the universality of CHR/Macc over carrying around various staves for lullaby/elegy/threnody/etc. Plus she has RDM and it's pretty sexy for some other debuffs as well.

That Brd is a fucking moron if she carries around an Alk, then proceeds to say "I like it because I don't have to carry around my apollo's." wtf does she cure in? And Terra's staff is good for Idle in case you get hit when pulling or w/e. Most practical use is using it for Stoneskin on Brd.
Also people who do ding shit need to stop, especially when its on a retarded necrobump, and midpage for people who don't use the stupid default settings.

[JackalTheManCat]

Saxonian, on 31 October 2009 - 08:16 PM, said:

That Brd is a fucking moron if she carries around an Alk, then proceeds to say "I like it because I don't have to carry around my apollo's." wtf does she cure in? And Terra's staff is good for Idle in case you get hit when pulling or w/e. Most practical use is using it for Stoneskin on Brd.
Also people who do ding shit need to stop, especially when its on a retarded necrobump, and midpage for people who don't use the stupid default settings.

Maybe i should have clarified. We were at Khimaira at the time, subbing blm, not getting hit with melee. She could have been weaponless and it would have made no difference, because you don't stick elegy on khim without ES.

I consider paladin my main job, and i have 68ish equips for it, half of which stay in my inventory at all times. I can understand wanting to save some inventory slots by consolidating into one useful item over several optimal items, especially if said optimal items aren't really necessary for me to stick my songs.

Most of my /whm gets used with status removal anyway at events where i do need to sub it. Even so, i'm almost always too busy singing songs to cast spells, and when i do cure, i doubt losing that extra ~20 hp on a C3 is going to be a deal breaker.

I wasn't aware Earth staff NQ/HQ helped with buffs too. Link to some evidence?

Also, the ding thing was an afterthought. After realizing my post started a new page (with the stupid default settings) it wasn't hard to go back and bold a few letters for funsies. I apologize for my retarded necrobump that concerned the original topic. Would it have been less retarded to just make a new topic? I've never seen anything (eyeballing, anecdotal, etc) that had as big an impact on sticking debuffs as HQ staves. Actual math for stick rates aside, i've played with CHR and skill and stuff, and nothing has gotten me more tough sticks without ES than HQ staff.

This post has been edited by JackalTheManCat: 29 May 2010 - 09:17 AM

[pathwriter]

... you're seriously replying to something that was said seven months ago?

[Rhayve]

And you're seriously replying to a post of someone who necrobumped a post from 7 months ago? Seriously?
And I'm seriously replying to a reply to someone who replied to a post from 7 months ago. And so on.

Anyhow, I /facepalm'd when I read Saxonian's comment about Terra's staff for Stoneskin, he should've been punched for that back then. As for the OP, since it seems to have been confirmed via tests that HQ staves add a flat +30 M.acc, Alkalurops should only be slightly behind them regarding overall M.Acc, making it definitely useful for increasing the potency of certain Enfeebling spells.

[Kaparu]

25 Macc or 30 Macc, depending on dINT/CHR/MND

[rambus]

Rhayve, on 29 May 2010 - 01:52 PM, said:

And you're seriously replying to a post of someone who necrobumped a post from 7 months ago? Seriously?
And I'm seriously replying to a reply to someone who replied to a post from 7 months ago. And so on.

Anyhow, I /facepalm'd when I read Saxonian's comment about Terra's staff for Stoneskin, he should've been punched for that back then. As for the OP, since it seems to have been confirmed via tests that HQ staves add a flat +30 M.acc, Alkalurops should only be slightly behind them regarding overall M.Acc, making it definitely useful for increasing the potency of certain Enfeebling spells.

when some people make comments like that they usually mean T staff helps stoneskin cuz you take less damage so it lasts longer, he never said he actually casts with it.

for clearfaction:

T staff does nothing for buffs.

This post has been edited by rambus: 29 May 2010 - 05:41 PM

[Rhayve]

Using it for does imply he would cast with it. Using it in addition to Stoneskin is something completely different.

This post has been edited by Rhayve: 02 June 2010 - 08:34 PM