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I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK
I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK MOTHER FUCKER!!!
TELL ME ANOTHER STORY!
...sick of all these "apathy-goers" who obviously DO give a fuck just by being here.
Sell Fuma, Get Dune Boots and Usu. and wear them both, like it really matters that much.
There's always 2+ sides to any story, go out and experience them both for yourself.
A question for you monks out there.
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#42
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:14 AM
Luciendarr:
You are oversimplifying the situation to fit your argument, UG. We aren't talking about the effects of small increments of haste, we are talking about Dunes Vs. Fumas
You are oversimplifying the situation to fit your argument, UG. We aren't talking about the effects of small increments of haste, we are talking about Dunes Vs. Fumas
No, I am not oversimplifying anything. Fumas is only 3% haste, that's all we care about it now. Some people here are trying to say that it does nothing. If you can't see it, it doesn't mean it's not there.
since you insist on being anon to post.....go parse the 2 and post it here, or find a previous parse that proves you are right and link it. otherwise, shut the fuck up and stop trolling.
There is no parse that shows the two more than a hairline apart. It is very hard to make hairline judgments from even long merit party parses. Please reread what I wrote:
But unless you're parsing with really high amounts of Haste, the difference between the two is small and very easy to lose to statistical and experimental bias.
So why do some people adamantly insist on Dune Boots? One pair of boots takes a small party down to Quicksand Caves and gives them 18 or 30k for their time. The other pair of boots comes off auction for around 50k. Both are indistinguishable in normal parsing. Any good monk without Usukane will have both.
I prefer to full time Fumas when punching, obviously cause blinking a character for no measurable advantage isn't productive to me. These people keep screaming that Dunes beat it, which they obviously do not unless you're gimp to begin with, because a parser won't show it, right?
#43
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:59 AM
You... have to pay for help? I used to think that people who paid for sex were at the bottom of the social ladder, but someone who has to bribe people for help with a monster in a video game is worse.
I SERIOUSLY hope you're using that as a straw-man argument against Dune Boots. If you really lack such basic social skills, you should just kill yourself now and get it over with.
On the list of difficult-to-obtain Rare/Ex equipment, a 100% drop pair of boots from an NM that can generally be popped within a few minutes (because people keep erroneously claiming that Fuma Sune-Ate are always better, thus, no one camps Bailarina) doesn't even register. And for all that the difference between the two is mostly negligible (and it is, I've said this repeatedly but you won't acknowledge it because you like trolling me), a good Monk should still have Dune Boots around for when using Footwork and Dragon Kick. I may not be impressed by it, but I don't fight HNMs, which seems to be where the option has merit.
By the way, could you stop using ad hominem fallacies with me? Why, indeed, I am a student of English. I'm also a great disappointment to my calculus instructors because I have an excellent grasp of math and no desire to use it. Actual evidence supports my statements. I'm a great believer in the scientific method rather than hypothetical modeling. Thus data reigns here in my "English major" world whereas you, who shouts so loudly about math, rely on fuzzy predictions and biased interpretations of non-data. You may as well base your arguments on Tarot card readings and palmistry.
I SERIOUSLY hope you're using that as a straw-man argument against Dune Boots. If you really lack such basic social skills, you should just kill yourself now and get it over with.
On the list of difficult-to-obtain Rare/Ex equipment, a 100% drop pair of boots from an NM that can generally be popped within a few minutes (because people keep erroneously claiming that Fuma Sune-Ate are always better, thus, no one camps Bailarina) doesn't even register. And for all that the difference between the two is mostly negligible (and it is, I've said this repeatedly but you won't acknowledge it because you like trolling me), a good Monk should still have Dune Boots around for when using Footwork and Dragon Kick. I may not be impressed by it, but I don't fight HNMs, which seems to be where the option has merit.
By the way, could you stop using ad hominem fallacies with me? Why, indeed, I am a student of English. I'm also a great disappointment to my calculus instructors because I have an excellent grasp of math and no desire to use it. Actual evidence supports my statements. I'm a great believer in the scientific method rather than hypothetical modeling. Thus data reigns here in my "English major" world whereas you, who shouts so loudly about math, rely on fuzzy predictions and biased interpretations of non-data. You may as well base your arguments on Tarot card readings and palmistry.
#44
Posted 01 August 2008 - 08:32 AM
This thread would have been better if the main idea of it was "Golt, your feeble attempts to be accepted by the white community has failed. Get a life"
orz
orz
#45
Posted 01 August 2008 - 09:04 AM
Better to be respected than accepted.
#46
Posted 01 August 2008 - 09:21 AM
wow... out of all the times you've clowned me and everyone else, Im impressed you'd say something like that. Thats some real shit...
Think imma change my Facebook status to that statement.
Think imma change my Facebook status to that statement.
#47
Posted 01 August 2008 - 01:14 PM
lol @ paying for help with dune boots. theyre not that hard.
#48
Posted 01 August 2008 - 05:19 PM
[purple]Actual evidence supports my statements.[/purple]
If you mean, supports that Dunes and Fumas are pretty much the same damage in typical merit situations, then yeah, that was my statement too, unsurprisingly. [red]However[/red], you come off more than once advocating Dunes [red]over[/red] Fumas, which to me contradicts evidence as why would you add an extra macro line to swap to something identical for DD but inferior for recasts? It makes no sense. There was no reason to use Dune Boots before Footwork, unless you couldn't afford Fumas, which were for a time at least 500k, or were totally gimp and sporting a Warwolf Belt and almost no haste.
[purple]You... have to pay for help?[/purple]
[purple]lol @ paying for help with dune boots.[/purple]
Reading comprehension seems to be sorely lacking. If I were talking about bribing people why would I mention 18 or 30k? Those are tier 1 money drops, e.g. Aquarius, Behemoth, Faust, sky gods; if you ever soloed one of these or kept track of how much gil dropped to everyone present, you'd notice the pattern. It's either-or because you either have gilfinder or you don't.
Anyway, I may be at fault, too. Obviously I meant to say the Sabotender drops the ~18k or ~30k, but it's been forever since I hunted that NM so I'm not sure it even drops any gil, or if it does, whether it isn't tier 2, which is half that... not that it makes a single bit of difference to my argument that both pairs of boots are easy to get.
And even though two people here misread me and I couldn't really expect KI readers to be that knowledgeable or independent... Help is help. Time spent getting to Quicksands to kill some cactuar NM is time that could be used doing something else. Lol @ Paying for Help is not a valid rebuttal, but even if I inferred one, it still wouldn't be a solid rebuttal because you're talking about inventory-1 and extra effort; good monks already have Fumas.
[purple]And for all that the difference between the two is mostly negligible (and it is, I've said this repeatedly but you won't acknowledge it because you like trolling me)[/purple]
I have already acknowledged the lack of difference even in my last post, where I said, "There is no parse that shows the two more than a hairline apart." Isn't that taken to imply that any difference between the two is negligible?
I'm not trolling, either. It's just that most people write nothing so I have nothing to respond to them. At least you might take this as a compliment, that you're one of the few who actually writes something, but look around, I respond to others, too, when they write something.
[purple]By the way, could you stop using ad hominem fallacies with me? Why, indeed, I am a student of English. I'm also a great disappointment to my calculus instructors because I have an excellent grasp of math and no desire to use it.[/purple]
It's not ad hominem. It's related to your credibility. You're a liberal arts type so why should we trust you when it comes to math? Could it be, you're the one saying your math is excellent, but your calc instructors, who on average have much more authority I'm sad to say, disagree and you won't concede to them? Cause you're really stubborn on these forums and I could imagine the same happening IRL.
[purple]I'm a great believer in the scientific method rather than hypothetical modeling. [/purple]
In case you could not tell, my profession is in science, and I believe strongly in both the scientific method and hypothetical modelling. There is no "rather than." The two are integrated. As integrated as church and religion. How weak religion would be if there were no churches to spread it around. How weak science would be if no one had a clue where to begin experiments.
[purple]Thus data reigns here in my "English major" world[/purple]
I always see from you all talk and no links, that's not data. Hazy references to others' talk also isn't data. It may be something but it's still not data.
If you mean, supports that Dunes and Fumas are pretty much the same damage in typical merit situations, then yeah, that was my statement too, unsurprisingly. [red]However[/red], you come off more than once advocating Dunes [red]over[/red] Fumas, which to me contradicts evidence as why would you add an extra macro line to swap to something identical for DD but inferior for recasts? It makes no sense. There was no reason to use Dune Boots before Footwork, unless you couldn't afford Fumas, which were for a time at least 500k, or were totally gimp and sporting a Warwolf Belt and almost no haste.
[purple]You... have to pay for help?[/purple]
[purple]lol @ paying for help with dune boots.[/purple]
One pair of boots takes a small party down to Quicksand Caves and gives them 18 or 30k for their time.
Reading comprehension seems to be sorely lacking. If I were talking about bribing people why would I mention 18 or 30k? Those are tier 1 money drops, e.g. Aquarius, Behemoth, Faust, sky gods; if you ever soloed one of these or kept track of how much gil dropped to everyone present, you'd notice the pattern. It's either-or because you either have gilfinder or you don't.
Anyway, I may be at fault, too. Obviously I meant to say the Sabotender drops the ~18k or ~30k, but it's been forever since I hunted that NM so I'm not sure it even drops any gil, or if it does, whether it isn't tier 2, which is half that... not that it makes a single bit of difference to my argument that both pairs of boots are easy to get.
And even though two people here misread me and I couldn't really expect KI readers to be that knowledgeable or independent... Help is help. Time spent getting to Quicksands to kill some cactuar NM is time that could be used doing something else. Lol @ Paying for Help is not a valid rebuttal, but even if I inferred one, it still wouldn't be a solid rebuttal because you're talking about inventory-1 and extra effort; good monks already have Fumas.
[purple]And for all that the difference between the two is mostly negligible (and it is, I've said this repeatedly but you won't acknowledge it because you like trolling me)[/purple]
I have already acknowledged the lack of difference even in my last post, where I said, "There is no parse that shows the two more than a hairline apart." Isn't that taken to imply that any difference between the two is negligible?
I'm not trolling, either. It's just that most people write nothing so I have nothing to respond to them. At least you might take this as a compliment, that you're one of the few who actually writes something, but look around, I respond to others, too, when they write something.
[purple]By the way, could you stop using ad hominem fallacies with me? Why, indeed, I am a student of English. I'm also a great disappointment to my calculus instructors because I have an excellent grasp of math and no desire to use it.[/purple]
It's not ad hominem. It's related to your credibility. You're a liberal arts type so why should we trust you when it comes to math? Could it be, you're the one saying your math is excellent, but your calc instructors, who on average have much more authority I'm sad to say, disagree and you won't concede to them? Cause you're really stubborn on these forums and I could imagine the same happening IRL.
[purple]I'm a great believer in the scientific method rather than hypothetical modeling. [/purple]
In case you could not tell, my profession is in science, and I believe strongly in both the scientific method and hypothetical modelling. There is no "rather than." The two are integrated. As integrated as church and religion. How weak religion would be if there were no churches to spread it around. How weak science would be if no one had a clue where to begin experiments.
[purple]Thus data reigns here in my "English major" world[/purple]
I always see from you all talk and no links, that's not data. Hazy references to others' talk also isn't data. It may be something but it's still not data.
#49
Posted 01 August 2008 - 05:33 PM
UnknownGamer :
[purple]Actual evidence supports my statements.[/purple]
If you mean, supports that Dunes and Fumas are pretty much the same damage in typical merit situations, then yeah, that was my statement too, unsurprisingly. [red]However[/red], you come off more than once advocating Dunes [red]over[/red] Fumas, which to me contradicts evidence as why would you add an extra macro line to swap to something identical for DD but inferior for recasts? It makes no sense. There was no reason to use Dune Boots before Footwork, unless you couldn't afford Fumas, which were for a time at least 500k, or were totally gimp and sporting a Warwolf Belt and almost no haste.
[purple]You... have to pay for help?[/purple]
[purple]lol @ paying for help with dune boots.[/purple]
Reading comprehension seems to be sorely lacking. If I were talking about bribing people why would I mention 18 or 30k? Those are tier 1 money drops, e.g. Aquarius, Behemoth, Faust, sky gods; if you ever soloed one of these or kept track of how much gil dropped to everyone present, you'd notice the pattern. It's either-or because you either have gilfinder or you don't.
Anyway, I may be at fault, too. Obviously I meant to say the Sabotender drops the ~18k or ~30k, but it's been forever since I hunted that NM so I'm not sure it even drops any gil, or if it does, whether it isn't tier 2, which is half that... not that it makes a single bit of difference to my argument that both pairs of boots are easy to get.
And even though two people here misread me and I couldn't really expect KI readers to be that knowledgeable or independent... Help is help. Time spent getting to Quicksands to kill some cactuar NM is time that could be used doing something else. Lol @ Paying for Help is not a valid rebuttal, but even if I inferred one, it still wouldn't be a solid rebuttal because you're talking about inventory-1 and extra effort; good monks already have Fumas.
[purple]And for all that the difference between the two is mostly negligible (and it is, I've said this repeatedly but you won't acknowledge it because you like trolling me)[/purple]
I have already acknowledged the lack of difference even in my last post, where I said, "There is no parse that shows the two more than a hairline apart." Isn't that taken to imply that any difference between the two is negligible?
I'm not trolling, either. It's just that most people write nothing so I have nothing to respond to them. At least you might take this as a compliment, that you're one of the few who actually writes something, but look around, I respond to others, too, when they write something.
[purple]By the way, could you stop using ad hominem fallacies with me? Why, indeed, I am a student of English. I'm also a great disappointment to my calculus instructors because I have an excellent grasp of math and no desire to use it.[/purple]
It's not ad hominem. It's related to your credibility. You're a liberal arts type so why should we trust you when it comes to math? Could it be, you're the one saying your math is excellent, but your calc instructors, who on average have much more authority I'm sad to say, disagree and you won't concede to them? Cause you're really stubborn on these forums and I could imagine the same happening IRL.
[purple]I'm a great believer in the scientific method rather than hypothetical modeling. [/purple]
In case you could not tell, my profession is in science, and I believe strongly in both the scientific method and hypothetical modelling. There is no "rather than." The two are integrated. As integrated as church and religion. How weak religion would be if there were no churches to spread it around. How weak science would be if no one had a clue where to begin experiments.
[purple]Thus data reigns here in my "English major" world[/purple]
I always see from you all talk and no links, that's not data. Hazy references to others' talk also isn't data. It may be something but it's still not data.
[purple]Actual evidence supports my statements.[/purple]
If you mean, supports that Dunes and Fumas are pretty much the same damage in typical merit situations, then yeah, that was my statement too, unsurprisingly. [red]However[/red], you come off more than once advocating Dunes [red]over[/red] Fumas, which to me contradicts evidence as why would you add an extra macro line to swap to something identical for DD but inferior for recasts? It makes no sense. There was no reason to use Dune Boots before Footwork, unless you couldn't afford Fumas, which were for a time at least 500k, or were totally gimp and sporting a Warwolf Belt and almost no haste.
[purple]You... have to pay for help?[/purple]
[purple]lol @ paying for help with dune boots.[/purple]
One pair of boots takes a small party down to Quicksand Caves and gives them 18 or 30k for their time.
Reading comprehension seems to be sorely lacking. If I were talking about bribing people why would I mention 18 or 30k? Those are tier 1 money drops, e.g. Aquarius, Behemoth, Faust, sky gods; if you ever soloed one of these or kept track of how much gil dropped to everyone present, you'd notice the pattern. It's either-or because you either have gilfinder or you don't.
Anyway, I may be at fault, too. Obviously I meant to say the Sabotender drops the ~18k or ~30k, but it's been forever since I hunted that NM so I'm not sure it even drops any gil, or if it does, whether it isn't tier 2, which is half that... not that it makes a single bit of difference to my argument that both pairs of boots are easy to get.
And even though two people here misread me and I couldn't really expect KI readers to be that knowledgeable or independent... Help is help. Time spent getting to Quicksands to kill some cactuar NM is time that could be used doing something else. Lol @ Paying for Help is not a valid rebuttal, but even if I inferred one, it still wouldn't be a solid rebuttal because you're talking about inventory-1 and extra effort; good monks already have Fumas.
[purple]And for all that the difference between the two is mostly negligible (and it is, I've said this repeatedly but you won't acknowledge it because you like trolling me)[/purple]
I have already acknowledged the lack of difference even in my last post, where I said, "There is no parse that shows the two more than a hairline apart." Isn't that taken to imply that any difference between the two is negligible?
I'm not trolling, either. It's just that most people write nothing so I have nothing to respond to them. At least you might take this as a compliment, that you're one of the few who actually writes something, but look around, I respond to others, too, when they write something.
[purple]By the way, could you stop using ad hominem fallacies with me? Why, indeed, I am a student of English. I'm also a great disappointment to my calculus instructors because I have an excellent grasp of math and no desire to use it.[/purple]
It's not ad hominem. It's related to your credibility. You're a liberal arts type so why should we trust you when it comes to math? Could it be, you're the one saying your math is excellent, but your calc instructors, who on average have much more authority I'm sad to say, disagree and you won't concede to them? Cause you're really stubborn on these forums and I could imagine the same happening IRL.
[purple]I'm a great believer in the scientific method rather than hypothetical modeling. [/purple]
In case you could not tell, my profession is in science, and I believe strongly in both the scientific method and hypothetical modelling. There is no "rather than." The two are integrated. As integrated as church and religion. How weak religion would be if there were no churches to spread it around. How weak science would be if no one had a clue where to begin experiments.
[purple]Thus data reigns here in my "English major" world[/purple]
I always see from you all talk and no links, that's not data. Hazy references to others' talk also isn't data. It may be something but it's still not data.
You speak of fuma as if they were awesome or something.
#50
Posted 01 August 2008 - 06:42 PM
No, I don't, and please don't put words in my mouth, now would you call Dune Boots awesome? I reserve that word for Usukane feet.
#51
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:00 PM
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome. If I wanted to put words in your mouth, I would have done this
(UnknownGamer)
I'm an annon troll, probably Wrish. Get fuma now, they're awesome!
#52
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:42 PM
Cream Soda :
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome. If I wanted to put words in your mouth, I would have done this
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome. If I wanted to put words in your mouth, I would have done this
(UnknownGamer)
I'm an annon troll, probably Wrish. Get fuma now, they're awesome!
gdi i love you Veg lol.
and to the anon guy...stop pretending like your opinion matters. you have not posted any facts to prove your point, and you have remained anon this whole time. stop fucking trolling, just to start shit, or i'm going to report you
#53
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:44 PM
Cream Soda :
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome. If I wanted to put words in your mouth, I would have done this
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome. If I wanted to put words in your mouth, I would have done this
(UnknownGamer)
I'm an annon troll, probably Wrish. Get fuma now, they're awesome!
^
| Win
#54
Posted 01 August 2008 - 08:05 PM
UnknownGamer :
blahblahblah I'm an annoying fucking cunt!
blahblahblah I'm an annoying fucking cunt!
Shut up and go away.
#55
Posted 01 August 2008 - 09:37 PM
quit dichotomizing shit to prove a point. usukane is the answer. until then, do whatever the fuck you want. people will judge you either way.
#56
Posted 01 August 2008 - 09:56 PM
In light of your claims that you were talking about the actual gil drop from Sabotender Bailarina, I have no idea what kind of point you were trying to make. You concede that a Monk should have both, but you set the statement up as though you were arguing against Dune Boots. The dissonance is not a result of KI readers being moronic, it's a result of you being incapable of communicating your thought. Maybe you should have paid a bit more attention in all those sissy liberal arts courses that centered around teaching you how to communicate. If not, take a few hints from your brighter compatriots in the sciences and get someone to teach you.
Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Just a reminder, plugging numbers into player-made equations is not data.
And, no, it's not an attack on my credibility to say that being a "liberal arts type" necessarily precludes me from understanding basic algebra. It is an ad hominem attack. It's particularly insulting because you make a claim insinuating that I'm a bald-faced liar. I've long since given up on assuming you have any decency (it's the internet, so I don't really expect it, anyhow), but if the best retort you can give is a lot of words followed by an accusation that I'm a liar, then you need to step off and shut up.
UnknownGamer :
I always see from you all talk and no links, that's not data. Hazy references to others' talk also isn't data. It may be something but it's still not data.
I always see from you all talk and no links, that's not data. Hazy references to others' talk also isn't data. It may be something but it's still not data.
Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Just a reminder, plugging numbers into player-made equations is not data.
And, no, it's not an attack on my credibility to say that being a "liberal arts type" necessarily precludes me from understanding basic algebra. It is an ad hominem attack. It's particularly insulting because you make a claim insinuating that I'm a bald-faced liar. I've long since given up on assuming you have any decency (it's the internet, so I don't really expect it, anyhow), but if the best retort you can give is a lot of words followed by an accusation that I'm a liar, then you need to step off and shut up.
#57
Posted 01 August 2008 - 10:34 PM
Shouldn't even reply to him anymore Path. He's just going to write another big wall of text about shit that makes no sense then tell you how you're not really someone who plays this game.
#58
Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:34 AM
[purple]Fact[/purple]: In Aurik's original post, he made up the 40% haste value as the breakeven point between Fumas and Dunes. Lots of formulas in that post, but nowhere did he show how he arrived at 40%. He referred to it as a "guess."
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3196123#3196123
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Wrish posted calculations in the form of a spreadsheet and then declared 8% haste as the point where Fumas match Dunes, but for a continuous target and a 15% kick rate (he wasn't sure what kick rate % to use).
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3254689#3254689
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter has been citing Aurik as a basis for advising people at what point of Haste to choose Fumas, for example right in this thread.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3595830#3595830
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter has strongly disagreed with lumping Dunes and Fumas together as equals, and this was after Aurik's "40%" post
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3251466#3251466
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter used large base delay (of hand-to-hand) as a supporting reason to downplay 3% haste.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3545381#3545381
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter had difficulty understanding why strong hand-to-hand weapons reduce the effectiveness of Kick Attacks.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3196137#3196137
The unavoidable conclusion, after reading these, is that Pathwriter doesn't have a strong grasp of math and mechanics of this monk job, and has been using a "guess" from someone with a decent understanding of math (Aurik) to advise people. And several people here are falling right in line behind Path when he quotes Aurik's number.
There you go, Blevien, the cold facts as you wanted them.
Also, [purple]Fact[/purple]: I never claimed to be anonymous. Don't go on assuming, at least Pathwriter learned not to call me that again.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3568041#3568041
(That's a lot less than saying I'm not anonymous, cause then I'd have to prove identity and go public, but almost no one here has done that so you're all just as guilty of possible anonymity.)
The OP's situation is a dichotomy, and I didn't create it. To presume that Usukane is the correct choice for everyone, though, would be elitist, as some people simply do not have Usukane and are far from it.
You know perfectly well your offense. You misread me deliberately. I was very clear objectively placing Dunes and Fumas close together for DD. Nowhere did I hint that either are awesome or not, nor was I ready to make such a claim because that's entirely subjective.
I was arguing instead against your portrayal of the superiority of Dune Boots over Fumas, which as I linked above, you certainly did portray strongly. The former are not measurably superior at DD in the merit situations we are talking about, and on the whole they are inferior in regular use, because they do not help recast timers, whereas Fumas do both DD and recast. The only reason a monk should have Dunes as well is the recent addition of Footwork.
Summary: 2004-2005: Dune Boots; 2006-2007: Fumas < Usukane; 2008: Dunes (Footwork), Fumas < Usukane (regular)
Notice how I replace Dunes with Fumas not for better DD but for versatility?
I more than passed my liberal arts reqs/electives and had an interest in debate. Wait, this is getting nowhere because then you'll just assert you have a formal major. I subtly wrote the 18 to 30k part because I wanted to see if you could figure it out - a little test puzzle not crucial to my main point. Because you did say you like to solo stuff. Guess you're not so hardcore about it.
Regardless, many readers online are moronic. Following in another's reading? Few people respond like they understand your or my posts. For example, in the eight other posts since my revealing what 18 to 30k meant, yours was the first and only one to show comprehension.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3196123#3196123
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Wrish posted calculations in the form of a spreadsheet and then declared 8% haste as the point where Fumas match Dunes, but for a continuous target and a 15% kick rate (he wasn't sure what kick rate % to use).
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3254689#3254689
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter has been citing Aurik as a basis for advising people at what point of Haste to choose Fumas, for example right in this thread.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3595830#3595830
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter has strongly disagreed with lumping Dunes and Fumas together as equals, and this was after Aurik's "40%" post
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3251466#3251466
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter used large base delay (of hand-to-hand) as a supporting reason to downplay 3% haste.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3545381#3545381
[purple]Fact[/purple]: Pathwriter had difficulty understanding why strong hand-to-hand weapons reduce the effectiveness of Kick Attacks.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3196137#3196137
The unavoidable conclusion, after reading these, is that Pathwriter doesn't have a strong grasp of math and mechanics of this monk job, and has been using a "guess" from someone with a decent understanding of math (Aurik) to advise people. And several people here are falling right in line behind Path when he quotes Aurik's number.
There you go, Blevien, the cold facts as you wanted them.
Also, [purple]Fact[/purple]: I never claimed to be anonymous. Don't go on assuming, at least Pathwriter learned not to call me that again.
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=post...3568041#3568041
(That's a lot less than saying I'm not anonymous, cause then I'd have to prove identity and go public, but almost no one here has done that so you're all just as guilty of possible anonymity.)
Eudora:
quit dichotomizing shit to prove a point
quit dichotomizing shit to prove a point
The OP's situation is a dichotomy, and I didn't create it. To presume that Usukane is the correct choice for everyone, though, would be elitist, as some people simply do not have Usukane and are far from it.
Cream Soda:
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome.
I didn't put a single word into your mouth. I said you speak of them as if they're awesome, not that you said they're awesome.
You know perfectly well your offense. You misread me deliberately. I was very clear objectively placing Dunes and Fumas close together for DD. Nowhere did I hint that either are awesome or not, nor was I ready to make such a claim because that's entirely subjective.
pathwriter:
You concede that a Monk should have both, but you set the statement up as though you were arguing against Dune Boots.
You concede that a Monk should have both, but you set the statement up as though you were arguing against Dune Boots.
I was arguing instead against your portrayal of the superiority of Dune Boots over Fumas, which as I linked above, you certainly did portray strongly. The former are not measurably superior at DD in the merit situations we are talking about, and on the whole they are inferior in regular use, because they do not help recast timers, whereas Fumas do both DD and recast. The only reason a monk should have Dunes as well is the recent addition of Footwork.
Summary: 2004-2005: Dune Boots; 2006-2007: Fumas < Usukane; 2008: Dunes (Footwork), Fumas < Usukane (regular)
Notice how I replace Dunes with Fumas not for better DD but for versatility?
The dissonance is not a result of KI readers being moronic, it's a result of you being incapable of communicating your thought.
I more than passed my liberal arts reqs/electives and had an interest in debate. Wait, this is getting nowhere because then you'll just assert you have a formal major. I subtly wrote the 18 to 30k part because I wanted to see if you could figure it out - a little test puzzle not crucial to my main point. Because you did say you like to solo stuff. Guess you're not so hardcore about it.
Regardless, many readers online are moronic. Following in another's reading? Few people respond like they understand your or my posts. For example, in the eight other posts since my revealing what 18 to 30k meant, yours was the first and only one to show comprehension.
#59
Posted 02 August 2008 - 01:37 AM
Wow, this guy is definately Wrish, or his brother. Either way, it's a typical wrish-esque argument.
And hey, stop trying to backpedal and suck up to Path. His post was the only one mentioning the 18 to 30k that Sabotender drops AFTER you tried to clarify that's what you meant. If you're going to keep trying to seem intelligent, you might want to not make your one-sided posts so blatantly obvious.
And hey, stop trying to backpedal and suck up to Path. His post was the only one mentioning the 18 to 30k that Sabotender drops AFTER you tried to clarify that's what you meant. If you're going to keep trying to seem intelligent, you might want to not make your one-sided posts so blatantly obvious.
#60
Posted 02 August 2008 - 03:15 AM
are you trying to discredit Aurik? doesn't he have a masters in mathematics? doesn't he have every piece of gear for mnk in the game? he may have mentioned the 40% was a "guess" but its one thing to guess a value by throwing darts at a wall of numbers versus making an educated guess as someone with a very good grasp of what the collected data represents. did i miss something or are you yet to post any data of your own leading to a different conclusion?
and my pointing out your dichotomizing was more related to your break down:
the point you slaughtered, assuming you have plenty of haste already, the further addition of small amounts has less overall effect than it would otherwise.
hey! i know! maybe i'll just talk out of my ass so much that people won't even want to put up with me anymore, ipso facto, i win! sorry, doesn't work that way, on the internet you're wrong until you can prove otherwise, not the other way 'round.
and my pointing out your dichotomizing was more related to your break down:
(Anon)
If small amounts of Haste don't show up in short fights, then it must be true that no matter how much Haste you have, it won't show up in a short fight, because any large amount of Haste can be broken down into small amounts of Haste, each having no effect, and the sum of zeros is always zero.
the point you slaughtered, assuming you have plenty of haste already, the further addition of small amounts has less overall effect than it would otherwise.
hey! i know! maybe i'll just talk out of my ass so much that people won't even want to put up with me anymore, ipso facto, i win! sorry, doesn't work that way, on the internet you're wrong until you can prove otherwise, not the other way 'round.
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