[Mrowmrif2]

I'm not sure if SE ever actually reads these threads for input into how players react to things or if anyone bothers to take the information here a step further to submit suggestions to SE itself... but here's a shot in the dark: let's see how people respond!

With all the new NMs being added and revisions to the battle systems and whatnot we see centering around those new NMs and zerg strategies, etc., I am not really sure why SE doesn't take a step back and look for any holes in their classic NMs that could be filled.

I titled this topic to get interest so people would read it - but let's take a serious look at some of these mobs...

Jormy...
no one touches him because he drops shit ass. D ingots + D cloths + merc pole? I'd rather go do ODS than die horribly.

Vouivre...
SE has made adjustments to Guivre, adding him to the WotG areas as a zerged bcnm off sandworm doomvoids... what of his ifrit's cauldron counterpart? they both have similarly shitty drops in present. guivre's skull is a minor craft item and gae bolg is an interesting, but not overly coveted polearm... but look at the new guivre drops! i'd like to see a vouivre version in WotG that has some new stuff as well.

Ash Dragon...
Again... another incredibly tough mob with dogshit for drops... has anyone ever even seen someone using a murasame? It would be neat to see some updates to him too... maybe add a masamune to match the murasame - but actually make it decent. true, sam's have an arsenal of popular weapons that everyone uses... but why not add 1 more in the mix just to make the NM worth some attention?

and i'll throw 1 final mob (or rather, a few of them in 1) out there: ToAU Beastmen Kings

I don't think i've seen ANYONE with any of the crap items that drop out of the butt of any of these 3 mobs... not to mention never heard of any ls actually caring enough to walk out to them to do NM murder. yes, they are now needed for the mythic weapon quest... but they really need to drop SOMETHING half decent. it doesn't even need to be THAT good - just semi-useful or situational. or maybe at least have them drop money items? like the troll could drop D ingots, the lamia D cloths, the mamool behemoth hides... it makes sense right? SOMETHING.

Thoughts? there are so many NMs out there that SE took the trouble to create - someone came up with their names and pop conditions, drops (or lack there of) and strategies/abilities... why not buff them a little and make them worth taking a stab at? SE, if you are reading this, think about it. and revisit many of your other mobs that just don't have a place in ffxi conversation anymore - your creations are there but just need to be given some attention...

Any other mobs people think could use revising? i'm curious as to what people come up with for ideas on drops from these mobs and others too! imagine if jormy dropped some rare, sellable great axe! there really aren't that many of them out there that people use... or maybe a new sword for blu!! that would be fun... but then, i'm partial >:D all NMs should drop hot blu stuff just cause.

[Spiderman]

I dont care about those.

3 Kings - 12 HR repop. Yes, Please.

[Mrowmrif2]

I dont care about those.

3 Kings - 12 HR repop. Yes, Please.

(>.>)

[laurenn]

While i agree that some of the monsters drop crap, think about it

Jormy

If you want to have your ls treck up the mountain every time he pops for some drops. Do you want to have someone from your ls sitting there waiting for him to pop and race people there. I do the Brothers ENM and most of the time I end up getting key item and do the enm another day just for sheer annoyance that mountain is to climb.

Vouivre

This guy stays in one spot, he doesn't wander through exp camps or anywhere a party would even try and exp. This guy is the poster child for ignored, he also is someone that I, for one, would not want to go looking for him every 21-24. While i understand you want to change him for "camping" purposes hes in a bad spot that is going to be a bitch to get to for it to possibly be worth it.

Ash Dragon

You seem to really enjoy picking mobs in the depths of hell. Again this is one more monster that I would rather tear my hair out than have to navigate to every day. This guy would have to drop something amazing for it to be worth the risk of getting to.

and finally the ToAU beastmen kings

I think SEs entire reason for adding these guys were exactly for the mythic weapons. Throwing on useless items was a way for them to throw off adventurers from going out getting everyone and their mother a item for a mythic. SE has been planning these mythics for a while now probably since ToAU came out. as for adding items to make them worth killing say somewhere in the near future you decide to upgrade a mythic, do you want to have to sit out there with someones mule waiting for them to pop and hopeing your ls can run there faster than the other hardcore linkshells on the server?

SE should stay the course they are on, if they go back and fix every nm that isn't camped there is going to be about 2-4 major updates where they put out NOTHING new and end up losing a lot of users due to them not wanting to revisit every nm in hopes of a better drop. people look for the future of this game not the past (wings excluded). However, This is just my opinion, sorry its different from yours.

[Mrowmrif2]

i tend to agree with your thoughts on the whole ToAU kings issue - i expected someone to bring up the fact that they are a whore to get people to kill for a reason. however, they were out for more than 2 years before this mythic weapon thing... i think you give SE a bit TOO MUCH credit in that respect, as i doubt they were planning on using them for it from the get-go. i think they realized they weren't being touched at all and decided to utilize them for something more that fits because it was convenient.

as for the issue with the other NMs i picked to bring up being a pain to get to and such - hell, i totally agree! that is one of the reasons i think they SHOULD be added to a bit... they are not easy mobs to kill due to both location, links and their overall toughness in general. i think they are PERFECT candidates for an item that is uber to drop from... yes, i wouldn't want to have to camp the cauldron for ash dragon daily... but the ls who would bother would potentially get something amazing out of it. and vouivre isn't HARD, it is just that he sits in a tough area to pull from and amongst like 5 of his buddies that are all pretty tough in their own rights... maybe vouivre should be one of those that gets added to the doomvoid NM list instead of adding a new item - it would make sense with the precedent of guivre.


and i don't think they'd see any loss/addition of users as a result of this - they could patch every shit NM in 1 update if they wanted to, and most people wouldn't bother due to the availability of the usual NMs that ls's go for. i think it would be neat to see ls's have to choose which NMs to camp rather than just rotate through the list daily... might be fun to have less competition too because of the many potential camps, right? plus it would make the rare items even more desirable in respective ls's... this game is notorious for having too much to be able to accomplish in waking hours, so i doubt a little buffing to what is already there would change things.

[Corrderio]

I dont care about those.

3 Kings - 12 HR repop. Yes, Please.

I support this statement. Make them forced pop then we're talkin'!

[laurenn]

while i might be giving SE too much credit they wouldn't just add the items they drop for no reason, they were planning to do something with the toau bstmen kings.

i think it would be neat to see ls's have to choose which NMs to camp rather than just rotate through the list daily... might be fun to have less competition too because of the many potential camps, right?

i think you give linkshells too little credit

Behemoth Fafnir Aspid
Tiamat Cerberus Khimera
Ixion Sandworm

thats alot of monsters to keep track of and some linkshells do it, and can get all of them if they are lucky. throw in about 5-7 more i think it would be tough but i really think that eventually they would be able to get a rotation down to skip a day one or two or even three behe and aspid and its only second window for timmy cerb just died and khimmy is on downtime. I know I'm streaching things here but it could happen. for all they need is a duo pt for turtle a duo-trio party behe thats 4-5 people out of a large linkshell covering two kings and extra mobs will only cause people to thin their ranks on monsters that they dont need a full alliance for. people will be working something hard but if the linkshell losses a khimera but hey look Ash dragons windows opening. its just diverting people from one monster to another. maybe I'm giving people too much credit but yea i could see it happening

[Mrowmrif2]

hehe ya i totally agree, the ls's that are on leviathan are badass. neptune, CR, AZ, dreams, radiance...even bluebird (i hate you) rule that shit and do it all everyday. i think what i'm getting at in the end is that we could use more more MORE variation >:O there's potential for some old school NMs to really have a place in the end game ecosystem - they just need something that adds interest in them. for all the times the ash dragon has ramrodded people doing ZM headstones, wouldnt you just like to murder it and get an abjuration or the equivalent of an ace's helm for your trouble?

the only dragon NMs are the 1 in xarc (petroclus's helm) and ash dragon... why not make ash drop something neat instead of a poopsword. also, why not add ash dragon and vouivre to the middle-of-the-road NMs that don't require an alliance... like NQ versions of kings? easily killed by 4-6 peeps but with nice potential drops...

[Kabe]

Well... I do hate Valkurm Emperor


OhhH! wrong thread sorry