[Blackout]

I know a lot of people like to play DD dancer and I've found a lot of info on how to do it. However, my play style leans more towards the curing side of the job. I try to limit the amount of mp the Mage has to spend. Right now I use /nin 90% of the time and /thf the rest. I've tried /whm before in the early levels to help with curing, but that sub loses usefulness as you level. Nin thf and whm have there advantages but I was wonder if /brd or /cor would expand on the support roll of dnc. Has anyone out there tried out these two possible sub? what were your experience with them?

[~Kimora~]

I've used brd for a sub when my parties go retarded. Using army with my drain samba to help heal. I'm going to tell you str8 up even tho i might get trashed. DD dancer is retarded, DD dancers are retarded. I've partied with them and they dont know what there doing. So i basically can see why they don't know how to do endgame or anything else with the job. Also sch is a good sub, when your higher up. You can get regen 2 and convert from it.

[Arian/Armel]

I vote for DNC forum to be removed

[Deo2]

Songs increase by numbers, Rolls increase by percent
- At low levels, songs will be ahead of rolls
- At higher levels, stronger party members will give rolls a greater boost

Songs take 8 seconds to cast, Rolls are instant
- 8 seconds is not a big deal until you hit 50 and people start crying for ballad, 2 songs and positioning yourself eats up a lot of time better spent getting TP

Songs last 2 minutes, Rolls last 5
- not a big deal until mage's ballad

Songs require singing skill, Rolls are a job ability
- Silence and Amnesia where applicable
- Compared to a brd main, skill is cut in half from no instrument skill
- Compared to a cor main, roll % is cut in half

Songs are constant, Rolls are random
- old argument, talked to death

[Siyual]

I've used brd for a sub when my parties go retarded. Using army with my drain samba to help heal. I'm going to tell you str8 up even tho i might get trashed. DD dancer is retarded, DD dancers are retarded. I've partied with them and they dont know what there doing. So i basically can see why they don't know how to do endgame or anything else with the job. Also sch is a good sub, when your higher up. You can get regen 2 and convert from it.

... I've lost all faith in human-kind.

FFS, SCHOLAR DOES NOT GET CONVERT...

On top of that, everything else you said is retarded. Seriously... what the hell is wrong with you people? A dancer shouldn't DD....? really now?

My lord... I agree... I think it's time to just remove the DNC forum... this thread seriously makes me wonder how some people even get 75...

[Blackout]

I wasn't looking for a debate on if you should or should not play dnc as a DD. I'm asking about /brd and /cor subs o any other ones that could be use to expand on the suppoert roll of dnc. If you don't think maximizing the support you provide a party is important or you believe Dnc is a top tier DD and shouldn't be conserned with anything else then I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the poeple that have explored the Support role of the job and might have tested out these subs or others. If you don't think these subs or more support orintated subs would work that's cool Please give me a reason other then "you guys suck for tring something other then DD as dnc". If you want to argue how bad ass you think dd dnc take it to another thread I'd like to keep this one on track.

[Joshster]

Front-line healer. That's DNC. If i want support, I'll go an actual support job like BRD. Why kill yourself transforming DNC into something its not? Debuff the mob is support, sure. Aiding the melee PT in cures is support also. Even in those areas, we are still just a mediocre job. So I doubt throwing in a Ballad I would be much help. Go /sam & toss a Waltz IV for 700+ & that's hundreds of MP a mage doesn't have to spend. But, if you should happen to come up with anything useful, I'm listening.

[octoberasian]

Front-line healer. That's DNC. If i want support, I'll go an actual support job like BRD. Why kill yourself transforming DNC into something its not? Debuff the mob is support, sure. Aiding the melee PT in cures is support also. Even in those areas, we are still just a mediocre job. So I doubt throwing in a Ballad I would be much help. Go /sam & toss a Waltz IV for 700+ & that's hundreds of MP a mage doesn't have to spend. But, if you should happen to come up with anything useful, I'm listening.

That's pretty much it.

We're not exactly a RDM and not exactly a WHM or BRD. Dancers are somewhere other than that.

We can heal and debuff a monster in our own unique ways.

I am leveling SAM right now for WAR and DRG, but I am wanting to try it as a sub to DNC.

When it comes to higher level mobs, our B+ in Dagger becomes an issue unless we have merits in it and/or Love Torque. So, we're not exactly going to be DD-ing or dealing the highest damage on a monster. Dancers are mostly going to try to gain TP before they can do a Waltz or Step, which leads into a Flourish.

I foresee /SAM as a viable sub when it comes to higher level NMs where being unable to hit a monster is our detriment. If we can Meditate TP, the TP can then be used for emergency Curing Waltzes, removing debuffs with Healing Waltz, landing Quick/Boxstep for the melees, or even Stutter Step for the BLMs.

At this point, I see Step Accuracy and Reverse Flourish merits very important endgame-wise. Haste Samba and Building Flourish mainly for small parties or NMs where accuracy isn't an issue. You won't do the most damage self-skillchaining, but it is damage nonetheless.

It's basically what's been described as what a Dancer is-- a frontline job assisting other jobs. That's what they were intended and used for during The Great War. Nothing more.

You cannot expect a Dancer to excel at that with a sub such as /COR or /BRD. Subbing /WHM becomes redundant unless you want Reraise and Divine Seal, which I don't even think stacks with Waltzes given that it's a Job Ability and not a spell.

The only two viable subs that come to mind are either /NIN or /SAM. NIN moreso if you can hit the monster, and SAM if you cannot with any decent success accuracy or damage-wise.

Of course, this is my opinion on what Dancer is and is not.

[Arian/Armel]

I personally use /Sam for Sheep in Antlion's Clothing, because that initial 60 TP is pretty useful for Pit Ambushes, so I won't say /Sam is useless, because we all know shit is situational.

/Cor and /Brd is just no, I probably would before Lv15, but even then that's a personal preference. But in all go /Cor or /Brd if you want, you're not in my party so I don't care. Just contribute something useful to this forum, not just a random shitty idea that comes to your head.

[Rockon]

You know what though if you sub BRD you could do march which would make you get TP faster and make you a more efficient healer.

[Arian/Armel]

You know what though if you sub BRD you could do march which would make you get TP faster and make you a more efficient healer.

BRILLIANT!

[Diexna]

You know what though if you sub SAM you could have Store TP which would make you get TP faster and make you a more efficient healer.

You know what though if you sub NIN you could dual wield which would make you get TP faster and make you a more efficient healer.

You know what though if you sub COR you could do hunter's roll which would make you get TP faster and make you a more efficient healer.

You know what though if you sub DRG you could do jump which would make you get TP faster and make you a more efficient healer.

Add few traits/job abilties here and there.

The list goes on... sadly enough.

[~Kimora~]

... I've lost all faith in human-kind.

FFS, SCHOLAR DOES NOT GET CONVERT...

On top of that, everything else you said is retarded. Seriously... what the hell is wrong with you people? A dancer shouldn't DD....? really now?

My lord... I agree... I think it's time to just remove the DNC forum... this thread seriously makes me wonder how some people even get 75...

Sch has Sublimation which is a type of convert moron. Gradually creates a storage of MP while reducing your HP. The effect ends once an MP limit is reached, or your HP has gone too low. The stored MP is then transferred to your MP pool by using the ability a second time. Seriously your DDing on mobs or HNM your giving 0 hits on sometimes, Wow so amazing. I will say it again a DNC doing DD is a fucking retard. If you want to do solo fine DD on that, in party don't do that shit it makes us look bad. Alot of Dnc's cant even get parties because of the DD retards that let parties wipe because people invite them thinking there getting support.

Do you really think in your mind someone is inviting you to DD a party? Why would you get a DNC over a THF if you want a type of DD? WTF even level DNC if you want to be DD period? Your like retard rdm's i've seen that say they aren't support. I actually had one tell me there cures is only for curing themselves. This is basically what this shit sounds like. If you want to DD level a Sam, War, Rng so many thing's you can level to DD. Unlike Cor, Pup SE made clear what this job was. Before showing any part of it, its sad that most of you retards dont have the common sense to play this correctly.

[Deo2]

I've leveled dnc/brd from 10-37. It got me invites and got them fast.

To explain later levels I fall on experience: I sub'd brd for 35-44 meleeing rdm.

We had a PL and a ninja in CN to cover the heals and other enfeebles, and I hardly ever got 5 swings per monster as I kept Haste and Gravity up. It got to a point where I even had to stop casting enspells just to sing a melee song.

So therefore, 1 song is fine since all your job abilities are instant cast, but 2 songs and you'll start to feel the burn of 2min duration.

[Arian/Armel]

So basically, you gimped your way to 37. Good job.

This forum is fucking retarded. I'll read this forum again when there's actually something worthwhile to read.

[Blackout]

Thank you for all the honest replies I was mostly curious about these potential subs since I don't have them leveled and was trying to decide if it was worth leveling them to 37 to test. I don't really see anyone giving me reason why not. Beside no don't do it. How does it make you gimped? I already understand the strenghts weakness of /nin and /sam. I do see some strenghts that /Cor and /BRD provide, as well as weaknesses.

/COR
Strengths
Phantom roll abilities
Samurai roll = added store tp
Hunter's roll = + acc and racc
Chaos Roll = + attack
All effects are Aoe So increases whole parties performance
buffs are instants so will have little effect on tp gain

weakness
only get 1 roll instead of 2
effect is half that of a main cor
effects are random

/Brd
Strenghts
songs
Mages Ballad = 1mp/tick refresh
Advancing march = about 3.5% haste
Army's Paeon = regen efect
Valor Minute = added attack
Sword Madrigal = 7-8 acc
+chr from sub
buffs are constant

weakness
only one song per person
songs add delay to weapon swings
positioning will negatively impact TP gain

My Conclusion: The bonuses from sub job buffs would be minimal even though they are AOE. Also it can create a distaction from main job wich I see as front line healer/enfeebler. I may atttempt /cor simply to satisfy my curiosity. However, at this time I feel the negatives that BRD provides greatly out weight the strenghts. Anything that negatively impacts tp gain will have a great effect dnc's ability to do its job.

[Rockon]

BRILLIANT!