QUOTE (Pathwriter)
So how about Prop 8? Things aren't looking good for a liberal issue that had no right or reason to be brought to the polls.
I am really disappointed in the outcome of Prop 8 initiatives. Even more so, you hit it right on the nail, I don't understand how they had the ability to challenge this at the polls after the decision by the courts in California. Look at it like this, if we have the ability to challenge the courts on decisions that they make that change the law, then how do we reconcile something like Brown v. Board of Education. Can you imagine if people voted on that decision and decided that they did want segregation in schools? The courts have the ability to push progressive initiatives in a social context, and there is no reason that they should be challenged when they are upholding their duties to administer the Constitution.
I am truly heartbroken about the passing of this initiative. However, I still believe that if this issue goes to the Supreme Court, they will decide that homosexuals have the right to marry.
Oh, one last thing... Serataru, you stated that I will never understand the plight of homosexuals and that the analogy between homosexuals and blacks is doesn't allow me to empathize with them. I say to you, that is an absolute falsehood. I didn't feel like getting into it at the time, but when injustice is done it evokes a reaction within us. We have the ability to identify immoral conduct and we long for those injustices to be corrected. It is why we cry when our loved ones are wrongly convicted, it is why we suffer when we see others injured, and it is why we feel relieved when justice is brought to wrongdoers.
If that is so, then I - we - must be able to empathize with those who are mistreated by society. I can understand how Pathwriter and others like him feel when their country works against their best interests. I have identified injustice and I seek to correct it. There will be a piece of me that will feel a choking pain until justice is administered properly.
QUOTE (Doodlebug)
I like all the people that voted for him just because he was black
Please, find me a statistic, a number, something that suggests that there was this group of people who were incapable of making a rational decision about who they wanted to vote for. Find me this stat that says there were people who voted for him just because he was a black person. Give me a break. The only reason anyone is even saying that is because he is black. If you mean blacks who voted for him because he was black, you forget that blacks have consistently supported the Democratic Party and it would have been very unlikely they would have voted for a black Republican. So, again, please find me were you got this idea from.
QUOTE (Aikar)
People like speltz take the pride word too strongly.
He has no idea what he is talking about, so don't get too bent out of shape about it. Anyone with half a brain knew that the individual meant that they weren't ashamed to be American, but rather that they were ashamed of what their country - their government - has done. In this country we reserve the right to criticize our government and our country as a whole and still love it. I'm paraphrase a quote here, but a citizen's relationship with their country should be that of a love-hate relationship. We need to criticize her because we love her and want her to do better. When this country does things that are shameful, you should feel ashamed, no less than you would if your child does something that they know is wrong. It doesn't mean you love them any less, it means that you believe they can do better.
Speltz has been dippin' into that crazy Joe the Plumber Kool-Aid. You don't have to go anywhere, however I am for shipping "real America," the Speltzs and Joes of the US off to Bikini Atoll.^^
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Now this next bit im gonna bold for emphasis:OBAMA HAS NOT ACTUALLY DONE ANYTHING YET AS PRESIDENT AND MAY ACTUALLY TURN OUT TO BE A TARD. Many of you go by what the media says. But from what ive researched - BOTH mcain and obama were not worthy of holding the seat of president of the united states.
I spy IRONY! =D Look you are telling us that we should reserve judgment about Obama until he actually performs in office, and I agree with that, but under the same breath you also said that Obama (and McCain for that matter) was not "worthy" of holding the highest office in the land. We don't know how anyone will perform when they in office, however we use our best judgment in order to decide who will do the better job. So, if we have any respect for the idea of democratic representation then we need to respect the voice of the people in deeming who is and is not worthy of being President. So, how about take your own advice and wait to see if he was worthy of holding the highest office in the land rather than determine their abilities based on the information that you suggested wasn't credible. (Don't pretend that you didn't get your information from the same sources that we did. Much of what we know about these candidates came about from investigative reporting, AKA the media. You know what we know. You don't have some sort of crystal ball that lets you know who will perform well as President of a country you don't belong to.)
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