[Kuz]

Alu...
Damn you...

I signed up for this crap... just so i can bandwagon and say I hate you.

See you on later

[Alucards]

Sad thing is my Post actualy gives reason for ppl not Lieking Dnc in xp or in End game every one else's reason is well Cuz there um not good uhhhhhhh ya thats y i actualy gave a good reason and Backed it up you guys can Say its Crap but i dont see you giveing a Good Valid reason for why Dnc sucks End game or why its good Endgame all you guys happen to say is well Alu wrote alot so its Garbage hey look this guy said Dnc sucks ROCK ON 2 words = good answer in your Books? ok then this is what i think

DNC SUCKS happy?

and for all those ppl who think Dnc is Good end game well keep on trying kiddies.

[Poochoo]

Dnc is great for all sorts of end game stuff, but my opinion comes from the fact that my LS is low-man everything. Wouldn't know what to tell a Dnc in a shell running 30+ members deep. We usually don't bring Dnc to things like Dynamis-Xarcabard but the two 75 Dnc in our LS are amazing for events like SNM, ZNM, Limbus, Salvage, and various NMs. Of course there will be times where a Dnc is absolutely not needed and I'd say the same thing goes for jobs like Scholars, and Puppetmasters where another job will probably be better for the situation. Dancers as far as Merits go are fairly decent. I'm not gonna say they'll always churn out a 20k exp/hr PT but since when does one job decide how much exp a PT gets, it's all about the player (Are they gimp? Do they know how to play their job? Can they handle multiple roles? Unless the party is turribly set up and full of Pups or something.) I've had awesome merits with Dnc as the main healer even, but like I said it's all about the player. Just like all the faggots on the Blue Mage bandwagon making the job look like shit (hi2ufullAFBlu) Dnc gets pegged the same sometimes.

tl;dr - Dancer is cool for almost anything and it's up to the player to show it.


Yay.

Edit: Also, I didnt read the guy's post above me because it looked like someone put their hand in their butt and then finger painted on sandpaper. As long as the dancer has a way to build TP they can perform. (no pun intended) Some endgame mobs don't give them the ability to do this which is why I say they're not great for EVERYTHING but they can do quite a bit of events.

As for Dnc sucking, just because they can't do certain endgame things (or endgame as some say) does not mean they SUCK.

[Arian/Armel]

lol

Also, a job itself doesn't suck. It is the person who plays the job, big difference. Save the trolling for Flame Wars, Alucards.

[Kuz]

Funny, i've been in this game for over 5 years, and I will admit... I troll these message boards everyday out of boredom at work. It's sad that THIS is the post that made me sign up to reply... but for good reason!

Ok, here's my long reply...
and WARNING... it's pretty long winded

When it comes to DNC, I will never disput that it has it's place. I'm not here to argue the damage, or it's versitility yada yada yada...
My complaint and experience comes from this:

unless DNC is you ONLY 75... i guarantee to have something better to bring to the table when it comes to merit parties.
Please don't sit around and complain that you can't get an invite if you have at least ONE other useful job that can get invited twice if not three times as fast.

ME? my mains are RNG and COR (both 75)... and i hate waiting around and/or meriting on my RNG.
If i want Merits, the COR flag goes up, and *poof* insta-invite.
Make a bunch of merits. spend whereever i see fit. wash, rinse, repeat.

That solves that problem.
or...does it...?

Alu and I are leaders of our Endgame shell... and our bitterness seems to spawn from the obnoxious amount of "DNC Goes" we get surrounded by on a daily basis. This goes hand in hand with the "If you have a more appropriate job... BRING IT" idea as explained above in my merit rant. Watch... here's some examples:

A former member of ours had WHM, PLD, DRG, BRD and RDM at 75... the second their DNC hit 65-70... ALL we heard was "DNC Goes"

Hey!!! We're doing gods tonight!!!
DNC Goes?
...no...

COME ON!!! UFO Farming!!!!
DNC GOES?
...god no...

w00t! We're gonna punch babies in the face and take their candy!!!
DNC GOES!?!?!?
...please stop...

Every step of the way... wether we were picking our noses or Doing Sea/Sky DNC GOES plagued us.
FIVE other jobs that could have worked out astronomicaly better... yet DNC was insisted upon until we shunned them.
it wouldn't stop.

See where i'm coming from on this?
YES you may enjoy your new Job-Candy... but that doesn't mean EVERYONE has too.

Next Example:
Someone was APPLYING to our Shell.
When asked what jobs they had to bring to the table... they replied: NIN, THF, RDM, WHM... and DNC
We asked them to bring RDM:
sorry, I only solo with RDM
Asked to bring WHM:
sorry, its retired
Asked to bring THF:
Sorry, you'll want TH4 and I no gots it
Finally asked to bring NIN:
hmm... I don't think your shell will benefit from my NIN. Sorry, I'm gonna pass

Those are the HONEST answers we got.
Seriously WTF ?? WHY list 4 OTHER JOBS that are better suited to our needs??
Cause they are trying to disguise DNC in their usefulness.

Bottom Line:
Don't get butthurt if people don't want your DNC.
I'm not knockin its usefulness
i'm not crappin on its Damage or Abilities

I'm just stating... IF you have somethign more useful... use it.
...or retire it, sell you gear, and DNC ONRY!!!...

DNC DOES have its place...
It a nice safe distance away from me in Endgame

[Poochoo]

Funny, i've been in this game for over 5 years, and I will admit... I troll these message boards everyday out of boredom at work. It's sad that THIS is the post that made me sign up to reply... but for good reason!

Ok, here's my long reply...
and WARNING... it's pretty long winded

When it comes to DNC, I will never disput that it has it's place. I'm not here to argue the damage, or it's versitility yada yada yada...
My complaint and experience comes from this:

unless DNC is you ONLY 75... i guarantee to have something better to bring to the table when it comes to merit parties.
Please don't sit around and complain that you can't get an invite if you have at least ONE other useful job that can get invited twice if not three times as fast.

ME? my mains are RNG and COR (both 75)... and i hate waiting around and/or meriting on my RNG.
If i want Merits, the COR flag goes up, and *poof* insta-invite.
Make a bunch of merits. spend whereever i see fit. wash, rinse, repeat.

That solves that problem.
or...does it...?

Alu and I are leaders of our Endgame shell... and our bitterness seems to spawn from the obnoxious amount of "DNC Goes" we get surrounded by on a daily basis. This goes hand in hand with the "If you have a more appropriate job... BRING IT" idea as explained above in my merit rant. Watch... here's some examples:

A former member of ours had WHM, PLD, DRG, BRD and RDM at 75... the second their DNC hit 65-70... ALL we heard was "DNC Goes"

Hey!!! We're doing gods tonight!!!
DNC Goes?
...no...

COME ON!!! UFO Farming!!!!
DNC GOES?
...god no...

w00t! We're gonna punch babies in the face and take their candy!!!
DNC GOES!?!?!?
...please stop...

Every step of the way... wether we were picking our noses or Doing Sea/Sky DNC GOES plagued us.
FIVE other jobs that could have worked out astronomicaly better... yet DNC was insisted upon until we shunned them.
it wouldn't stop.

See where i'm coming from on this?
YES you may enjoy your new Job-Candy... but that doesn't mean EVERYONE has too.

Next Example:
Someone was APPLYING to our Shell.
When asked what jobs they had to bring to the table... they replied: NIN, THF, RDM, WHM... and DNC
We asked them to bring RDM:
sorry, I only solo with RDM
Asked to bring WHM:
sorry, its retired
Asked to bring THF:
Sorry, you'll want TH4 and I no gots it
Finally asked to bring NIN:
hmm... I don't think your shell will benefit from my NIN. Sorry, I'm gonna pass

Those are the HONEST answers we got.
Seriously WTF ?? WHY list 4 OTHER JOBS that are better suited to our needs??
Cause they are trying to disguise DNC in their usefulness.

Bottom Line:
Don't get butthurt if people don't want your DNC.
I'm not knockin its usefulness
i'm not crappin on its Damage or Abilities

I'm just stating... IF you have somethign more useful... use it.
...or retire it, sell you gear, and DNC ONRY!!!...

DNC DOES have its place...
It a nice safe distance away from me in Endgame

Who's to say what's more useful unless it's blatantly obvious. It's all really situational. If someone has Paladin and you NEED a tank but they insist on going Dancer I feel you there, we sometimes get that and it's annoying because in low man stuff every person has to be on their proper role (not job, role.) Meaning we have a designated Tank (it could be a Paladin, it could be a Rdm, hell it could even be a Blue Mage) and we need a healer (Red Mage, White Mage, Scholar, etc.) Situationally I'd say Red Mage is usually the better healer by themself but if someone really doesn't want to play a job they're gonna intentionally suck at it or not be as enthusiastic to do their shit right and that can affect the entire event as a whole. But, this is my point of view on things and I feel that people should be happy playing the jobs they want to play and if the need requires them to be a certain thing they either have to change to the necessary job or make the job they want to play fitted to perform what is asked of them. If that isn't possible then "sorry bro but you're changing to White mage!"

Eh, probably said some unnecessary stuff in there but! Basically if the person is doing their job well who are you to say that "insert job" is better? If they aren't doing their job and "insert job" would definitely be better then I can see why you get flustered about it. Again, it all comes down to how the player performs or if the situation is ridiculously obvious that a different job is necessary.

As for the person that responded to you with those turrible excuses that happens quite a bit, not even with just dancer. People with a ton of jobs will have a job that they really do NOT feel like playing or bringing out anymore. For me, it is red mage. (But my main reason is I have 8 Blue magic and 8 elemental magic so Enfeeb = 0, makes me feel hella gimp.) It'd be better to say you get angry at the people who "level jobs and then hide them behind their favorite job so they can have fun at the expense of a successul event."

edit: forgot my picture

[Symbios]

Honestly, I tried having a DNC as the sole healer in a meripo once (birds), and it was a disaster. I try to give things like that a chance- don't blame me if I don't give it a second chance because I really don't play the game as long as many people and I don't want to waste another 2-3 hours just dying over and over.

I don't think it's so much about "the potential of DNC" as it is that "Too many people that play DNC suck", which is the case with a lot of jobs- I cry whenever I see a NIN or THF in shitty gear that doesn't have a goddamn clue what he's doing. WARs, on the other hand, can be a goddamn baboon and still pump out tons of damage if all they know is to engage, weapon skill, and put shadows up.

[Arian/Armel]

I agree.

[Poochoo]

I don't think it's so much about "the potential of DNC" as it is that "Too many people that play DNC suck", which is the case with a lot of jobs- I cry whenever I see a NIN or THF in shitty gear that doesn't have a goddamn clue what he's doing. WARs, on the other hand, can be a goddamn baboon and still pump out tons of damage if all they know is to engage, weapon skill, and put shadows up.

I hate the Warrior job SO much because of this. Took it to 37 for sub and never touched it again!

[Kuz]

But, this is my point of view on things and I feel that people should be happy playing the jobs they want to play and if the need requires them to be a certain thing they either have to change to the necessary job or make the job they want to play fitted to perform what is asked of them. If that isn't possible then "sorry bro but you're changing to White mage!"

Oh deffinitly... be happy doing what ya do!
But I guess part of my bitterness lies in the fact that when we said "Hey...we could REALLY use WHM" and were told "DNC Goez?"... they just didn't get it. People wanted to play with their shiney new toys at the expense of what was really required for the situation. /shrug

and going along with this:

As for the person that responded to you with those turrible excuses that happens quite a bit, not even with just dancer. People with a ton of jobs will have a job that they really do NOT feel like playing or bringing out anymore

Again... i believe the other part of my bitterness lies with... why LIST those other jobs when i specifically ask "what can you bring to the table" if you have no intention of bringing it?
To me... it was them selling themselves to me while trying to be deceiving about "hey...i'm gonna get my DNC all Endgame"!!!

IF they just came flat out and said "I can offer you DNC" and not try to dodge around it... i would have respected that more...

i STILL would have said "no".... but respectfully

[Barbelo]

This thread is a sad insight to the state of this game, maybe for attempting to beat new content it's definetely worth it to bring the same old jobs/sj over and over, but the rigid job and sub job requirements put forth by the player base are really pathetic and disheartening, especially to a fairly new player such as myself.

I'm very experienced in leading end game content (raids etc.) in multiple other mmos and when we weren't attempting to first conquer something, we often experimented with different set up's and jobs to let people play other things, or, heck, even just allow some people to actually do end game content at all. I've finally made the switch to this game, quitting all others, and although i do enjoy it quite a bit, I find some things quite stale and dull because it is the same strategy over and over.

I hope when I actually start putting time into the end game in FFXI, I find a LS that is more open-minded then 99% of the player base I've come in contact with so far, at least for diversity and fun.

Sorry that this is more of a rant than a constructive post, if I was as experienced as all of you I'd try and keep up lol, but I think it's worth it to put out there that these attitudes do not help attract new players or keep some players interested and I fail to see why these attitudes are still used on content that is old hat.

[Seibar]

many jobs can be used for different events. noone took blu's to cerb until someone tried it and hit huge cannonballs. people used to chi blast kirin and now they can simply TP burn it. people used to take 10 people to serket and KA (mainly for claim i guess) and now their solo'd or duod. events and strategies can change, but more often then not there is a simple structure involved; tank, healer, melee dd, magic dd. dnc fits somewhat into two or 3 of those categories, but can only truly assist their own party, not the entire alliance.
if dnc could assist their alliance as whms and rdms and plds can, there would be a lot less biast.

can you imagine if whm could only cure, haste, or buff someone in their own immediate party but rdm could still cure alliance? youd never see another whm except at "small man events such as znms and nms - but never dynam" (sounds a lot like dnc, no?)
the limitations put onto dnc are what killed our initial climb to popularitry. the effect of stun is possibly better now with the relic body, but ive still yet to see a dnc stun a GoH. our 2hr was fixed, but thats just a 2hr. (with our 2hr we could cure our party people at a tp burn pretty efficiently i think btw, spamming 700hp+ cures)
no foot rise offers the oppertunity to get "free" steps or tp - but this isnt until 75 and until you spend 3+ merits into it.
we have a pretty potent threnody-type step, but noone wants to give tp to a nm your nuking down like tiamat or JoL.
our evas down is very nice, but i dont think peoeple really give it enough credit for merits or melee partys either.


theres just too many limitations put onto us (no A weapon rating? really??) for dnc's too truely shine as they did (apparently) in the past.
but idc, i leveled it too solo things my thf couldn't - and too that end dnc is great (and yay fan dance!)

[Kuz]

Sorry that this is more of a rant than a constructive post, if I was as experienced as all of you I'd try and keep up lol, but I think it's worth it to put out there that these attitudes do not help attract new players or keep some players interested and I fail to see why these attitudes are still used on content that is old hat.

Mind you, it does work in reverse as well...
When people have attitudes towards not just DNC...but ANYTHING in the sense of "this is what i'm doing and i could care less what is needed or is required of me".
It just so happens that DNC happens to be in question here...

many jobs can be used for different events. noone took blu's to cerb until someone tried it and hit huge cannonballs. people used to chi blast kirin and now they can simply TP burn it. people used to take 10 people to serket and KA (mainly for claim i guess) and now their solo'd or duod. events and strategies can change, but more often then not there is a simple structure involved; tank, healer, melee dd, magic dd. dnc fits somewhat into two or 3 of those categories, but can only truly assist their own party, not the entire alliance.

EXACTLY. And not only that, but in order to even keep the party alive in a larger aspect, a DNC will NEED TP. Yes, they are given Merited abilities for this, but when you can't build TP on a God/HNM/Etc because you're poking at it for DMG=0 ... good luck getting that TP.
YES, you could sub /sam... but to sub an entire job just so you can get 60ish TP every 3 mins is a bit rediculous.

if dnc could assist their alliance as whms and rdms and plds can, there would be a lot less biast.

I agree COMPLETELY with that statement.
Just remember... when you die, and possibly delevel, and you're looking for that R3... or even R2... you'll be wishing the DNC in your LS brought their WHM when asked too.

[Paradyne]

The thing is most people who has Dancer leveled doesn't know how to play dancer in end game. They think it is okay to poke stuff with the daggers and hit 0 damage. They sub /nin and think holding two daggers will improve their TP while hitting 0 damage. When I go to sky, I go as DNC/SAM. I have my throw skill merited and maxed. I use my Rising Sun+1 to get TP and I never rely on Joytoy or even dagger. My throwing never miss and never hit 0. I never run out of TP with merit and subjob. I do always carry one Icarus Wing for emergency. I stay engaged and run in to add steps when timer is up. I swap gear. How many Dancer have you guys seen have different set of gears? Probably not many. My tanks doesn't need RIII because they don't die. Always stun after you use Cure IV Waltz or Healing Waltz and add another step in while you wait for timer.

Dancer doesn't suck, people who play them does.

[Toth]

The thing is most people who has Dancer leveled doesn't know how to play dancer in end game. They think it is okay to poke stuff with the daggers and hit 0 damage. They sub /nin and think holding two daggers will improve their TP while hitting 0 damage. When I go to sky, I go as DNC/SAM. I have my throw skill merited and maxed. I use my Rising Sun+1 to get TP and I never rely on Joytoy or even dagger. My throwing never miss and never hit 0. I never run out of TP with merit and subjob. I do always carry one Icarus Wing for emergency. I stay engaged and run in to add steps when timer is up. I swap gear. How many Dancer have you guys seen have different set of gears? Probably not many. My tanks doesn't need RIII because they don't die. Always stun after you use Cure IV Waltz or Healing Waltz and add another step in while you wait for timer.

Dancer doesn't suck, people who play them does.

Good stuff in there, although I do sub NIN still XD

Anyway, there are a few things that this update has done to make DNC more useful at end game and render several of previous pointers moot:

1) Marinara Pizza (attack and accuracy food, yay!)
2) Group 2 Merits - NFR for quick TP gain, Closed Positioning for accuracy bonus, Saber Dance for faster TP gain
3) AF2 to enhance steps and stun and waltz potency

I think what above posters need to take in account is a person's personal investment in their job. I put a lot of time and effort into my DNC. I want to bring it out just to justify the time I spent gearing it and meritting it. I know what it can do in HNM situations. Too often people forget that the purpose of the game is to have fun. And sometimes, someone who has gone x job to a king or to sea hundreds of times wants to try something else. Keep in mind that people burn out playing the same job over again. I credit the fact I still play after all this time to leveling fun and exciting jobs and working to make them special. You ls leaders need to understand the perspective of your members. They may just surprise you when all is said and done.

[Alucards]

As Some one Said People wish to Bring there jobs they spent so much time working on to Events but things like Sky Ls Sea HNM ls's the members have to realise when they Joined they Kinda Signed a Form saying ill come up what u NEED me as.
I myself Lead a Sky LS and ya i Like to take into acount what ppl WANT to go as but they also have to realise that to do some things us Leaders have to lay down the Law and say Look YOu comeing Dnc to sky? ok Guys no Gods tonight! (LS) HUH WTF WHY? (LDR) well our Tank decided he wants to come Dnc and not Pld so Unless were haveing our Whms Tank Seriyu then were not doing it. its all Based on whats there and whos on. if theres 4 Plds and 1 wants to go Dnc I myself am against Dnc but shit theres 3 other Plds Dncs not guna do any harm it might actualy supprise me. but when the DNC is needed on there other job they Kinda Needa go on that job not on Dnc.



RUN ON SENTANCES FTW BABY.

AND BAD SPELLING TO BOOT.

[Auronius]

Sad thing is my Post actualy gives reason for ppl not Lieking Dnc in xp or in End game every one else's reason is well Cuz there um not good uhhhhhhh ya thats y i actualy gave a good reason and Backed it up you guys can Say its Crap but i dont see you giveing a Good Valid reason for why Dnc sucks End game or why its good Endgame all you guys happen to say is well Alu wrote alot so its Garbage hey look this guy said Dnc sucks ROCK ON 2 words = good answer in your Books? ok then this is what i think

DNC SUCKS happy?

and for all those ppl who think Dnc is Good end game well keep on trying kiddies.

^ Teens + Meth + internet = angry, incomprehensible nonsense.

[Dae_Asura]

Mel's chest is still the most interesting thing in this thread.

[Blackout]

ok well my Main Job is Mnk i have Thf at 75 and Brd at 75


So ok heres what i think Being a Leader of a Sky Linkshell.

Ok so im a lvl 75 Thf with TH4 and im the only one with TH4 in my Linkshell so i Always get suckered into going thf to Gods. now i have alota diffrent Gear sets for my Thf. Dex Agi Str Acc Eva ive Mixed and Matched these on Gods. now when im Fighting Gods i find it Extreamly hard to hit for more then 1 Dmg alota the time with what an A+ dagger skill on Thf and Str or even Attk Gear on Most of my Thfs TP comes from Sa and TA. so ok i generaly take along time to hit 100 TP with Thf. now For Dnc, Dnc has what a B- Dagger skill? and an Even worse H2H skill. Whats a Dnc guna do with a harder time hitting a God? im not guna replace a whm for a Dnc im not guna replace a Rdm for a Dnc. jobs i wouldent Replace for Dnc. (Smn Sam Mnk Thf Whm Rdm Blm Sch Nin Pld Bst Drg War Blu ok i cant remember all the jobs lets put it this way theres only 1 job id replace for a Dnc and thats not cuz its a Bad DD its cuz i hate this Job cuz it thinks its a Monk and that is Pup) Dnc will never be able to Main heal a Tank pt on a God whats it Guna do TP to 300 Cure the tank and then oops im outa TP brb port down solo back to 300 (guna take for ever Cuz its guna have to Cure itself with its TP) then turn around and be like CRAP i forgot i cant port up yay Dnc FAILS FFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now Dnc for Merit Pts.
~~~~~Dnc or Whm?????? or even Rdm?????


Hmmm ok Dnc Cant Cure at the Start of a Party Dnc cant Raise you if u die Dnc cant cast Protect or shell on you!! FAIL !!!!!

Whm can do all of this and More

Only reason Rdm is Better then Whm in Merit PT Refresh and Convert. Eather will do thow now that SCh is out Whm can use Sublimation if there Subbing SCH


~~~~~~~~~ Dnc or another DD????????????

ok now we have Dnc Coo Coo it can use Haste can Cure me in a tight spot coo Coo But Dnc isint guna Pump out alota Dmg Sorry to say but Daggers are Low end Dmg and if your depending on DE to give u the Big Numbers cool cool Do DE but now your just a Gimp Thf cuz now your useing your TP to give u good Numbers and No Longer useing Haste and all that other good stuff you may as well go THF for SATA and do more Dmg

Now we have a Job like Mnk or Even Sam Mnk is GUna Pump out 200-300 Dmg every 2-3 Seconds 2 Punchs and 1 Kick optimal or if your a Mnk like me your guna Hit Optimal 4 times a 1 Kick untill u get Hate then its more like 4 punchs and 1 Kick cuz of counter (i use Faith wepon ((Virtue stone makes it attack 2 times some times )) so ya good wepon) but when u add this up i Generaly hit for abhout 60 dmg to 100 and Crit for 100 to about 200) i also use Dune Boots so my kicks Hurt like hell lol so ok lets use the Lower Number 60 and my Kicks generaly do about 60 70 to upwards of 110 crit for about same as my hands. ok so 60X 5 = 300 then + 60 or 70 lets use 60 low numbers so 360 in 1 round and thats the Low end of the Dmg pool it can doo like 600 dmg a round and after 1 round is over the next starts. Verses what a Dncs what 50 dmg each swing so 100 dmg? IF THAT prolly more like 20-30 smgg a swing so 40-60 dmg a Round and there rounds u have to wait Gota Love Mnks Natural Haste.

Now Sam Sam depending on how Played Like if u use a Soboro and Full Store tp gear and Sub Rng and just sit there Spamming Sidewinder i dun think theres a Job out there that can out Dmg that Sry guys but you know 400 Dmg sidewinder every 2 seconds is alota dmg in a Small amoubnt of time

Sam sub anything Else? Still Beats Dnc sure it takes 5-7 seconds to swing again or even more but when Sam hit it HITS HARD and then when it WS's TA (max overwhelm 25% Crit or what ever from front on ws's) Gekko or even SA Gekko from behind DAMN DAMN DAMN your looking at alota Dmg my sam is lvl 50 atm so i duno the Numbers but i DO KNOW THERE HIGH Sam/war Berzerk Hasso Gekko Lota Dmg boys once again Vs a Dnc what 40 dmg and if they use Dances they never WS and if they do WS they never use Dance's hope this Helps you Understand why people dont Like Dnc.

Now dont get me Wrong Dnc has its Place Soloing Campain GREAT sub job alota NMs just not in Endgame im sorry Dnc wasent Built to be an End game Job the sooner ppl realise this the better they will be. i myself am tired of people trying to get into my ls with Dnc being there only 75 or our Whms lvling Dnc and saying ill just main heal on Dnc no NO U WOUNT YOULL FAILL WE WIPE AND I KICK U OUT so to all you 75 dnc or asspireing dncs you wana take it to 75 Cool just dont expect ppl to alow you to take it to End game cuz it FAILS. Other then like Limbus >.> <,<


Thanks for Reading i know i cant Type for Squat and it was Long but ya Hope this Helps ya out.


~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alucards of Siren ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I see this post as a perfect example of why people refused to accept DNC in to merits and endgame, but not for the same reason that the original poster intended. What I see here is a lot of ignorance of the jobs abilities skill levels and role. I also see many opinions represented as facts because of that ignorance. Ignorance is the real reason why people refuse to see the value of having a dancer on your side.

Examples of pure Ignorance

"Hmmm ok Dnc Cant Cure at the Start of a Party" Wrong all dancers can heal from the start of your party even with 0 tp Theres this ability called Trance If your dnc is your only healer why would s/he not be using this at the start.

"Dnc has what a B- Dagger skill? and an Even worse H2H skill. Whats a Dnc guna do with a harder time hitting a God?" Last I checked 256 skill was B+ and with 2 Accuracy Bonus job traits it is like A Accuracy with B+ Attack

The Whole Dancer DD Section is utterly rediculouse
DNC is not a hard core DD why waste time comparing it to the likes of SAM and MNK jobs that some dedicated DD jobs have had trouble keeping up with. Even when tring to lolDD, Dancer is providing so much more to the party then just his pure DD not just reducing weapon Delay but by lowing the preys Evasion and Def effectivly increasing the whole parties damage output. The fact that you even try to bring this up as a reason not to invite dancer shows you have a limited understanding of the job's roles. In reality dnc is a light melee healer/enfeebler and fits into a merit party better as support then as a pure healer or dd.

[DaEvilOne]

dont even have to use trance to cure at start of a pt anymore, no foot rise.