[Talian_Caitsith]

Today, TheGekkoStatee sold a Love Torque, for 4 million, without telling the linkshell before hand. Only the "leaders" knew at the time, until Jailer of Love died, and a random person entered the party and lotted. I was a member of this shell (Granted I wasn't always at events, but still had 500+ points), and was on the list for the Torque. There were 6-7 others, if I remember right. I previously offered my linkshell "leaders" 2-3 KS99 orbs to push me to 1st or 2nd in the line (Person up first that had the rights to lot had 400 points on me or so), but I was trying to buy or trade for the torque. Alluan, the person I spoke to, told me that "its not smart as an LS to do that" unless I gave donated the orbs first, then they'd get me a torque. (Which made me confused, due to the fact I'd be ahead in the line for the torque anyways after this set of JoL which means I didn't even need to donate.) So, in a sense, they told me no, they wouldn't let me trade up for the Torque. But they'll let a person not even affiliated with the LS buy the Torque for 4 million....Am I missing something here?

Now, what I don't get, is if "its not smart for a LS to do that", and denied me, why would they sell the Torque for 4 mil to a random person, instead of giving it to the people actually in the LS who had waited for it and/or wanted to essentially buy/trade for the Torque? I didn't have perfect attendance, and I know that. But how the FUCK can this even be right? Not only they merc-ed the gear without notifiying the LS of the trade beforehand, they sold it to a person outside of the LS before they sold it to someone inside.

TheGekkoStatee, I may not have attended all the time, but when I did, I tried my fucking hardest. I only have a 75 Dragoon, pardon me for not having the time to level another 75 at the moment. When I wasn't there, I let someone know. I am in no way claiming I'm perfect. But this, is a formal FUCK YOU from myself. Your leaders are shit, and so are your so called "decisions".

[malenko]

So lets see if I have this right. You don't show up for events to help do the lengthy farming for the pop, but you want the item first. Your so greedy for this item that your willing to buy and trade to the front of the line, screwing the people who have out of it first. Then you get pissed when your LS supposedly screws you (but you willing to do it to other members) when the LS sells the item. So you throw a fit and go start posting about how terrible they are.

Doesn't matter that the LS sold the item to help boost the treasury, which pays for einherjar and dynamis for ls members, more events you don't show for. Doesn't matter that they sold so they could give out some gil to members for christmas for the hard work they've done. Lord knows alot of them could use the gil, maybe then they could try and buy and trade their way up the line so they get their items first.

Thanks for running off at the mouth, and showing the Forum what little class you have. Hopefully other LS's won't make the same mistake we did and have you as one of their members

[Snoochyboochy]

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[Aeonknight]

Doesn't matter if the OP didn't deserve the torque. Completely beside the point. You don't sell rare drops to anyone outside the LS until your members are properly geared first, and you don't need them anymore.
And even then you inform them of the plan, not whore them out to someone w/o forewarning. That's a damn good way to discredit leadership decisions and an even better way to destroy motivation. Especially for a pathetic reason as "boosting the treasury". Spam fuckin Byakko for Behe hides if the LS bank (which is probably the leader's toon, completely coincidental) needs gil.

Good luck convincing the memberbase to do anything endgame related with the thought of all the leet gear being sold hanging in the back of everyone's mind.

[malenko]

The fact he didn't deserve the torque is completely the point. Leet gear is better of sold than handing it over to people that don't show for events. Why outfit LS members that don't have their priorities with the LS. If that's the case, can I come join your LS, not show up and get some great gear so that when I feel like showing up I'm good. I'd rather the LS sell and buy pops and gear for other people that are deserving.

[Littlebender]

The fact he didn't deserve the torque is completely the point. Leet gear is better of sold than handing it over to people that don't show for events. Why outfit LS members that don't have their priorities with the LS. If that's the case, can I come join your LS, not show up and get some great gear so that when I feel like showing up I'm good. I'd rather the LS sell and buy pops and gear for other people that are deserving.

If you can not show up and amass 500+ points more power to ya i guess?

[Talian_Caitsith]

Bullshit Malenko, and you know it. You're just a sheep to Alluan/Wilbert/Dameon's will. There is NO reason that Torque should have left the linkshell, there were at least 6 other people in fucking line for it, OTHER than me. And I did show up for these pops, but thanks for trying. The "Padding of the LS treasury" is a BULLSHIT exuse, especially when other members don't fucking even DO Dynamis with TheGekkoFail. Dynamis isn't a fucking expected event to show up at, neither is Einherjar, so fuck you Malenko. Those are two separate parts from Sky/Sea in that linkshell, so again, you fail. And Aeon, that whole linkshell is full of people who don't realize what the leaders do. I know one person who was a leader, and left due to the lack of leadership skills in the others so called "leaders".

This isn't about the fact that I didn't get the torque, it's about the fact on how that linkshell decides to do with the drops it gets, and how bad the leaders perform. And too bad I already found another linkshell, huh?

Oh yeah, 100k a person is a shit ton. Why don't they get off their lazy asses and farm gil? Is it really that hard?

Again, no matter the reasoning you put behind this, TGS had no right to sell that fucking Torque, before even DISCUSSING it with the linkshell. Sea Torques are hard to come by, and you keep those items within the LS until noone needs 'em. My bad that I have IRL shit to do that was more important than TGS. I just wish I would have listened to that previous leader and my friends who knew how bad that linkshell was and got out before something as fail as this happened.

So again, fuck you.

Edit: You say "Why outfit LS members that don't have their priorities with the LS." So, if one person decides that they don't want the torque, everyone else behind them gets the shaft and a "lol" when they ask why they didn't receive it if it was passed upon?

[Huda]

For the Leaders of Thegekkostatee, you guys work so hard for all of the members, that someone could post something like this without having all the facts on the situation is amazing. Mal said it best I think, but as someone who's been a member for over 2 years now, I've seen first hand what you guys go thru for all of us. the things you guys have to deal with, from attitudes and ego's on some occasions, to playing referee on others, things that im in no doubt other shells deal with, and sometimes baby sitting people like Talian who think that they can bribe they're way into line for items they just can't seem to put the time into working for. If you can't put in the attendance or even some show of effort into working for the things you want for your character then keep quiet and stop crying over things you are not clued in on. The leaders work just as hard for the items they want as do those members who are dedicated to putting in the time for themselves, and I have personally seen the leaders give up things they would have gotten so that a member could get something, someone whos worked really hard for the shell. The idea for the christmas bonus was for the memebers from the leaders, and it was done out of kindness and generous thought, and not something that they had to do for any of us. So if you felt the need to drop shell and move on....then good luck to you and to any shell who would want you as a member.

[malenko]

Maybe I could take you seriously if you would have talked about it with everyone instead of just blowing up and having a tantrum last night. Instead you just come in here and start cursing like crazy showing your true intelligence level that you can use the word fuck 50 times in a paragraph. Maybe next time you should try sitting down and talking about the problem with the leaders instead. Having dealt with you in the past, you don't seem like some 15 year old kid, so why not quit acting like it.

[Talian_Caitsith]

Discuss it with a leader, after they already told me "its not smart to that as an LS". Yeah. You already lied to me once, why get lied to some more? I had a right to be pissed, and that was the last straw with me with that shell. Yes I tried to use Orbs to allow me to get points or lotting rights, but the items would have stayed in the shell, would it have not? I don't see what's so wrong with this, it wasn't a bribe. Anyone in the LS is allowed to donate an orb to get points, correct? Or at least that's what Alluan told me, or was that another lie too?

When was I ever babysat Huda? I asked questions when I started, sure. But when I was familiar with the events, and the monsters, would I ever ask questions other than "What party am I in?"

It's obvious to me, that the leaders wouldn't have talked to me about it, because it's "their decision", not mine.

If this would have happened to anyone else in that shell, they would have been just as pissed. Why didn't you guys sell the other drops too? The Novio Earring that dropped? Or the Novia? Oh wait, Novio went to Bocephous, there's no way that would have been sold, huh? That would have fetched a much prettier penny than 4 million for a lowly Love Torque.

[malenko]

Well, for one thing, boce had over 1500 points and shows for every event. We still have 3 more JoL pops to go, and if there would have been someone standing there that wanted to buy that Novio earring right then, then odds are they would have sold it. Sometimes you need to have faith in the leaders, there is a reason they are the leaders. The whole point is that you are in their shell, under their direction, to go in a direction that they feel is the best, and you should be there because you believe in either them or the direction they are heading.

If you did not agree with what they did, that's fine. You go find another linkshell like you did. You don't go to the fourms and start complaining about how a LS runs their policies when YOU chose them. No one had a problem that you didn't agree with the decision, they had a problem with the way you acted then, and they way you acting now.

[wilbert]

I personally didn't think I would get involve in this issue on the forums and im not here to defend our decision on what we did with the drops from out run last night. We made a choice, is that plain and simple if you didn't like that choice you are welcome to find another LS just like anybody else. Linkshells on this game aren't for everyone and you have to find one that works for you. Even many people have to go threw several end-games ls to they find one that works for them. You guys can say we aren't a good group because the way we handle drops last night and that's fine

I have come to the understanding that I wont make everyone happy with every single choice I make and I know from time to time I will lose members. This is something that happens in social ls dynamis ls and end-game ls. This is nothing new that is being talk about here. What is new is the fact that its our ls being talk about and its leaders. I personally feel that if you guys want to make me the villain of this story and put all the blame on me that's fine. Talian was not happy because we sold one of our love torques, and my response to him big deal if you would have been there when we pop our first few loves and we got a torque and even that night we got another torque that went to another member then your point is null and void. Love Torque aren't rare IMO and especially with so many pops it dropping several times. But like I said our LS is not for everyone and ppl who don't like it leave its that simple. So Talian it was nice knowing you I hope the best for you in finding another ls that works best for you. .

[Talian_Caitsith]

I call bull. There is no way that someone wouldn't have raised hell about that. How many times to I have to say it? Every time I had to miss, I would LET A "LEADER" KNOW. There was only ONE Event I voluntarily didn't go to, and that was the La Vaule (S) Raid. The only reason you guys have those leaders now, is because noone will step up and call them on their mistakes. I didn't, until now.

I did go to the Forums because I want people to know how you run your linkshell, to save them from making the mistake I did by joining.

Edit: Was posting while Wilbert posted. So, your way of explaining this, is "Our leaders decided this way, so, deal with it." Are you kidding me? I TOLD Bocephous I had to work, so I'd be late. If that didn't get to you, not my fault. I was there for the 2nd-3rd JoL, was I not? I was sitting near Torien out of your guys way, so I wouldn't cause any ruckus. Was even in Linkshell during the whole fight. It's a bullshit reason, nothing else. There is no way you can be legit about this.

[Ashkente]

Well, for one thing, boce had over 1500 points and shows for every event. We still have 3 more JoL pops to go, and if there would have been someone standing there that wanted to buy that Novio earring right then, then odds are they would have sold it. Sometimes you need to have faith in the leaders, there is a reason they are the leaders. The whole point is that you are in their shell, under their direction, to go in a direction that they feel is the best, and you should be there because you believe in either them or the direction they are heading.

If you did not agree with what they did, that's fine. You go find another linkshell like you did. You don't go to the fourms and start complaining about how a LS runs their policies when YOU chose them. No one had a problem that you didn't agree with the decision, they had a problem with the way you acted then, and they way you acting now.

One person having over 1500 points is irrelevant.
One person offering to use LS-policy to buy a drop is irrelevant.

What IS relevant is that this LS's leaders felt it best to sell something that would better benefit the LS by staying IN the LS, than selling it outside.
It's obvious Talian doesn't care that HE didn't get it, but that NO-ONE in the LS got it.

Take your juggalo-head and pull it back out of your ass and learn to see clearly, you bootlicking son of a bitch.

[wilbert]

Where were you for the 3 weeks of sea farming, where were you for 2 weeks of ZNM, its nice and dandy to show up the night of the fight for something you want while members day in and day our are killing themselves getting the pop. Its your fault if you schedule conflict with our times. Then you do what any smart person would do and leave the Linkshell because it does not run @ times that are coviniant for you. I even had remove you from ls a few week prior because you weren't coming to runs. You came back when we start KSNM 99 and even where afk mostly there and didn't come to does run. Like I said im the Villain and I say you didn't deserve it. I rather give member who farm day in and day out that don't ask for anything some gil, that a person who comes when its convenient for them.

[Talian_Caitsith]

But DID you give that Torque drop to someone? NO. YOU SOLD IT. 3 weeks of Sea Farming, and 2 Weeks of ZNM: Wait, didn't I tell you? owait, I did. Well, parents almost divorcing, potentially not going to school is kind of an issue, right? I'd expect any leader to be understanding. Except that you are TheGekkoStatee, where your word is law. Other than that kind of big shit that could have changed my life, I was almost always there, wasn't I? Or how else would I have racked up 500+ points?

Edit: Didn't notice the part about KS99. I WAS there for KS99. Except I was a lowly 75DRG, and didn't get offered to get into the fights much, now did I?

[wilbert]

The second Torque drop went too Fallenone that night who did come to most of does events. Again Null and Void. Again whatever real life issues you weren't having not my problem. So cry a river and keep crying I told you last night you weren't getting it. Suck it up nobody want to hear sad stories, your 500 point where frozen to begin with because you weren't coming and you hadn't build up your priority for it. So either you wait in line or you find another ls.

[Talian_Caitsith]

...Any RL issues I wasn't having? Huh? And what the hell does "who did come to most of ->does<- events" mean? I'm not giving a sad story, I'm giving a reason to why I was absent. So, it's not null and void. Any reason you guys attempt to give is Fail. There was no reason those TWO Torques shouldn't have been given to the LS, instead of one being sold. Please, try again. You as a leader fail, and so does everyone else.

And you still give no valid point on why the Novio shouldn't have been sold over the Torque. It's the same issue.

[malenko]

Well, sorry to hear about your RL problems, but that's RL. I suffer from Multiple Sclerosis. I was hospitalized with an attack that included paralysis on the left side of my body. I missed 2 weeks of events. When I came back, and we did dynamis, did I get to lot items.....no. Why? Because it's the rules. Rules are there for a reason.

On the note that 1 person has 1500 points is irrelevant. You fail so hard that my own mother could see how stupid that is. I guess a person that has shown up for 500 points has equal rights as someone that shows up and has over 1500.

And once again, it's not like selling it was my doing. That's not my descion. You follow the leaders Rules. Maybe you could find my head for me when you pull yours out.

[wilbert]

Talian I would like to also respond to your post 7, Love Torque is not rare, if we where talking about a Justice Faith then that would have left the ls love is not and with the amount of pop we have all ls member that want it will have it before the end of February, I can understand your mad but again its my fault, and if you don't do dynamis/limbus/eighander with us ohwell not my fault the people who were doing does event would still get it before you.