[Talian_Caitsith]

lol @ Mal. Just shut the hell up, and get off the forum. We all know you're Dameon/Wilbert/Alluan's little bitch, so I wonder who you're gonna side with? I can't see it from TGS's side, because it's so beyond thought, that I can't process it. Torques need to stay in shell, unless EVERYONE HAS IT. Age has nothing to do with this, and I do have experience in an Endgame LS. Maybe not as a leader, but I know enough about it that that Torque shouldn't have been sold.

If you this would have happened on an item YOU wanted, how would you have felt? Even if this wasn't on a Love Torque, when another item had been sold rather than given to an LS member who wanted it, I still would have raised hell and quit.

[Ashkente]

Lol, Wil, quit wasting your time. Your spinning you wheels here trying to argue with someone that feels they've been slighted. They aint' gonna change their mind. You remember what it was like when you were young and pissed at the world don't you. Remember all those years ago when you were barely out of high school. Felt like the whole world was against you, nothing was gonna change your mind. So you just called people names and wouldn't have an adult discussion and try to see both sides the story. Remember Wil. Remember how only age and experience and maturity fixed that problem.

Simple fact is, what's done is done. Get over it

Merry Christmas Mr. Scrooge, and God bless us, everyone of us

He's not spinning his wheels, he's trying to put a positive spin on the fact that his crappy leadership call screwed over multiple people for a piss-poor reason.

I'm not even involved with this LS, but yet I can see that this is horseshit.

Talian has been concise, and well-phrased, and well thought out.
In response, he's been told that he's pissed because HE didn't get the item in question.
Which neatly proves that the people in question have totally missed his point.

The point is:
Don't sell loot outside LS when people IN ls need it.

If you can't understand why that is a perfectly valid point, then maybe you don't deserve to be a part of, let alone lead, a linkshell.

[malenko]

lol that's why anyone can buy a LS and SE doesn't have to pre screen them, cause they can run it like they want. Maybe Wilbert wants to run the linkshell the way he does, not the way everyone else does.

I never resorted to name calling, that's what children do. I got out of high school a long time ago. Since that's all you kids seem to be able to do. Playing this game I know I have to deal with young people sometimes, but I'm not getting in a pissing match over the way people think. Take Care, and hope one day you can have a conversation without name calling and acting your age, I gave you credit I guess I shouldn't have Tailan

[Talian_Caitsith]

Then don't, just stop posting. You're defending a point that shouldn't be defended. It was wrong. He can lead his LS any way he wants, but it's clear that his linkshell is there for his own gain, not everyone elses. He lacks true leadership. Wilbert isn't the only one at fault here, he's just trying to be the scapegoat. Bocephous, Alluan, Wilbert, and Dameon are all leaders, and this was their combined retarded decision. If no one in TheGekkoStatee can see this, they are blind.

I did name call, but my posts used logic. I defended my point by using real reasons, not just fallacies and trying to discredit someone by "you have lolgear you suck" reasoning.

[Belmung]

Wow... you guys have really stepped your brainwashing game up I see. I knew you leaders had no sense of fairness while I was a leader, but you really are making it easier for your members to see it than you did before.

(Split into two posts due to passing the allowed number of quotes)

So lets see if I have this right. You don't show up for events to help do the lengthy farming for the pop, but you want the item first. Your so greedy for this item that your willing to buy and trade to the front of the line, screwing the people who have out of it first. Then you get pissed when your LS supposedly screws you (but you willing to do it to other members) when the LS sells the item. So you throw a fit and go start posting about how terrible they are.

500+ Points, which may sound minimal to TGS leaders (because of how many other members may have), is still a lot of points and time dedicated. Things they give points for is like 1/2/5 points each. Takes a while for that to add up, right? As for "buying/trading" up the line: By the way they choose their lotters (which of course, is a joke in itself -- decided on whoever is the leader's most favorite butt buddies at the time), buying/trading your way up seems to be the only way to get the things you need in a timely manner. Wouldn't you get upset if something you are in line for gets sold, so in the end, instead of being 1 person closer, its like it never even dropped?

Leet gear is better of sold than handing it over to people that don't show for events. Why outfit LS members that don't have their priorities with the LS... I'd rather the LS sell and buy pops and gear for other people that are deserving.

Why sell the gear off instead of giving it to people in the LS? Regardless if they aren't as attentive, if you know they aren't leaving and have proved beforehand they are adequately dedicated (500+ points not enough?), let them get it and decrease the list of people needing it so you can be more efficient in general.

Maybe I could take you seriously if you would have talked about it with everyone instead of just blowing up and having a tantrum last night. Instead you just come in here and start cursing like crazy showing your true intelligence level that you can use the word fuck 50 times in a paragraph. Maybe next time you should try sitting down and talking about the problem with the leaders instead. Having dealt with you in the past, you don't seem like some 15 year old kid, so why not quit acting like it.

Whats the point? 1 persons opinion vs all the leaders of the LS. I was in that position as a leader. Every time there was something in the works, I never found out till day-of or through some 3rd party and had to investigate. It proves the tight-knit relationship between the leaders and how snarky+shady they all are in which they have to hide everything until the moment things arise and surprise everyone. Now, again, 1 persons opinion (And a person they didn't like due to his independent thoughts and curiousity to question things instead of sitting there like a mindless drone) VS all the leaders (who brainwash their members into thinking the way they decide everything is fair when in reality, its completely atrocious)? Thats like 1 vs a Firing Squad. Pointless.

Well, for one thing, boce had over 1500 points and shows for every event. We still have 3 more JoL pops to go, and if there would have been someone standing there that wanted to buy that Novio earring right then, then odds are they would have sold it.

If you did not agree with what they did, that's fine. You go find another linkshell like you did. You don't go to the fourms and start complaining about how a LS runs their policies when YOU chose them. No one had a problem that you didn't agree with the decision, they had a problem with the way you acted then, and they way you acting now.

Bocephous is a leader. There was no way in HELL you guys would have sold it, regardless of how many points he had, so don't even try to pull that bullshit. As for no one having a problem that he didn't agree with the decision... did you even ask the LS how they felt about it? I am curious; how DO they feel that you sold a Torque off to someone not even in the LS?

I personally didn't think I would get involve in this issue on the forums and im not here to defend our decision on what we did with the drops from out run last night.

Why not defend your decision? You made it, why should you have a problem defending it if you are THE main leader and supposedly have reasonable reasons to have decided it. Please do elaborate those reasons for us, we'd all like to know.

Where were you for the 3 weeks of sea farming, where were you for 2 weeks of ZNM, its nice and dandy to show up the night of the fight for something you want while members day in and day our are killing themselves getting the pop. Its your fault if you schedule conflict with our times. I even had remove you from ls a few week prior because you weren't coming to runs. You came back when we start KSNM 99 and even where afk mostly there and didn't come to does run. I rather give member who farm day in and day out that don't ask for anything some gil, that a person who comes when its convenient for them.

The dude has seriously crazy RL issues, you don't even ask him whats up before even removing him from the LS roster/points list. Thats just not safeguarding your supposed good leaderships decisions and showing you don't really care, as you were supposedly a cool casual LS that cares for its members and was for fun. Isn't it obvious enough how full of shit these Rules and their decision making are yet?

here's the funny thing. All the people in line for love torque were either leaders, or were cool with the decision, that's what makes this great. The only one bitching is the one that was low man on the list. And i keep hearing this arguement about it would be better off in the LS. The people that wanted it was for selling it, and the one that wasn't isn't always there, I think the best discion for the LS was made. I love how people keep trying to tell these guys how to run their LS. Just because most football players dance around in the end zone like a bunch of jackasses after a touchdown, doesn't mean everyone has to do it. People create their own LS's to run things the way they want, and that's the bottom line.

...Say congratulations to Melissaa and Fallenone in there Love Torques... And you know @ one point we will sell a novio earring when all the BLM who have priority on it get it. Just like we sold that Love Torque Osode Shura Togi. if nobody up for it and we can do something for everyone in the Linkshell that what im going to do even if ppl dont like it they can just leave.

Sooo....Melissaa and Fallenone both agreed that they don't mind passing up on a Love Torque so someone else who could get it because they had the money to buy it? I think they would have liked to get the Torques first and THEN sell any leftover ones that the "other people in line" who said it was ok to let someone buy it off the LS.

And Fallenone got a Love Torque only AFTER he said he was going to quit. Wtf is up with that? Awesome leadership I suppose, right?

There ppl on the waiting list because we werent spaming it. That simple, so go cry a river too. The other ppl in line are up for other stuff too or had gotten stuff before. So they werent up for a Love Torque.

So if they weren't up for the Torque, why did they have any say in the decision and not all the other people in line? Please do explain .

Also, I remember quite vividly someone who had HORRIBLE attendance and points compared to mine and he was given Hecatomb Harness over me (and normally I would let people lot things before me) and what did he do? He quit the LS the same night! You guys have such GREAT talent in perceiving people!

[Belmung]

with the amount of pop we have all ls member that want it will have it before the end of February, I can understand your mad but again its my fault, and if you don't do dynamis/limbus/eighander with us ohwell not my fault the people who were doing does event would still get it before you.

Before the END of FEBRUARY...thats pretty much March. 2-3 months? Then why sell it if its one of the items with the longest lotting lines? If I recall correctly, Dynamis+Limbus+Einherjar are all calculated on different lotting lines (except for maybe Einherjar in regards to the Abjurations... but whatever), so why are you trying to through his participation in those separately calculated events into Sky/Sea? Oh, to make it look like you are right, forgive me for not remembering to be part of the brainwashed army.

Pysco is patient man he dosent mind waiting because hes glad to have what he has hes 3/5 homan all sky gear he wants all dynamis gear he wants. Our members dedicated members like huda said will wait to get an item to let some else have it first they dont care. Because they know we will get it for them and if they wait always something better down the road.

Usually, when someone invokes that sentiment, they're referring to 'other LS members', not some random person with a fat wallet.

You guys must have a SERIOUSLY huge payout coming up for all the LS members if you are gonna do that. Just curious, you guys still spending the LS treasury on yourselves and lying to the LS members about the treasury being broke even though you aren't spending it on the LS members and "secretly" doing your supposed "monthly payouts"?

And for those wanting some snapshots ( because those are usually oh so pretty ) :

















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You went from trying to show how you were right, to "Hey, I'm obviously right, because this guy is a trash player." Way to go.

Until you explain how selling something outside LS rather than improve your membership, and I don't mean Talian, I mean the people in front of him in line, and how said sale is a BETTER DECISION for your quite frankly, unknown, badly spelled, linkshell, shush.

He's not spinning his wheels, he's trying to put a positive spin on the fact that his crappy leadership call screwed over multiple people for a piss-poor reason.

I'm not even involved with this LS, but yet I can see that this is horseshit.

Talian has been concise, and well-phrased, and well thought out.
In response, he's been told that he's pissed because HE didn't get the item in question.
Which neatly proves that the people in question have totally missed his point.

The point is:
Don't sell loot outside LS when people IN ls need it.

If you can't understand why that is a perfectly valid point, then maybe you don't deserve to be a part of, let alone lead, a linkshell.

Above three QFT!

But in conclusion:

TGS' leaders have brainwashed their members into thinking that such actions as these are ok and fair, when in reality, they are treating their members like crap yet they just don't know it. But alas, they ARE correct in one thing: They can leave at any time they want, its their choice to be there and follow their rules etc. But the only reason their members believe that what they decide is corect, its because they have little to no Endgame experience as other people do so, its the only thing they know so, it SEEMS fair and awesome.

If you have any Endgame experience, you'd know what they do is crap. You wait for months to years for single pieces of equipment (Ask anyone in who does Limbus or Sea with them). Not because of the scarcity of drops, but because of their choice of people to lot. Like majority of corrupt leaders, we all know they go to the people who they are in the same "clique" with them. You guys can attempt to call me a liar but that won't suffice. Why? Because I was a leader.. I was on the phone when we did our runs. You all know I was the only one left out on things like that, which was fucked up. But also, I was the only one brave enough to even bother questioning the EpicFail Logic generator you guys run and got argued with and bashed for.

There are many people who know what I'm saying is true, but will remain nameless by me unless they choose to speak up. But I do wish for you guys to bother proving me wrong, I really do. I've kept your horrible leadership under wraps and to myself for such a long time. Even after I left, and was being harassed by your members for leaving the LS (like i fucking left a gang, what kind of shit is that eh?) I still didn't blow your spot up. But ya know, selling something as valuable as a Torque off instead of giving it to your so called "Precious valuable deserving" LS members? No, that is just bullshit. Man the fuck up and admit what majority of the shit you decide on isn't fair. Oh wait, you can't, got that E-Rep to uphold, amirite?

[Talian_Caitsith]

Belmung, thank you for posting those screenshots. This just goes to prove how fucked up the leaders logic is. How the FUCK did Fallenone get a Torque, if Wilbert himself stated that "Fallenone doesnt have the points or priority" and yet...he got the 2nd torque? Wait, how does this work? I get denied because Pysco wants the Torque (Who at the time, doesn't even have a main job that can use a Dagger or Polearm), and yet Fallenone gets the Torque...Hrm. Strange. Am I the only one seeing this who was once part of TGS, other than Belmung?

[wilbert]

I like the fact that your screen shot my conversation and eddited it up really that nice of you belmung this is comming from someone who took both his friend talian and hrtless gear and sold them and took all the gil for yourself.

[Talian_Caitsith]

I've seen the Screen shots, and the only portions edited were to remove the person who took them from being identified, so no information was removed. He never took my gear, but thanks.


Please, try again.

Edit: Oh, by the way Wilbert. Why would he have stole my gear, sold it, then helped me buy it back, and helped me level a new job...? Yeah, makes total sense. I can see why I shouldn't trust him now. Damn, and just when I thought I knew people. He's helped me out more than you will ever know, he's one of the best players on this server. Again, your trying to toss out fallacies, and discredit people with "ZOMG HE STOLE GEARZ! BURN THE WITCH!" This still doesn't change the fact that you and the rest of TGS's leader are shit.

[wilbert]

Ima let hrtless tell you the truth of what happen as we speak his writing it so ima let you be.

[Talian_Caitsith]

Yeah, you do that. I know Belmung just as well, if not better than anyone. I guarantee you that he didn't steal his gear. He sure as hell didn't steal mine. I've never seen eye to eye with Hrtless, and he's one of TGS's little cronies as well. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, didn't he BUY gil? Yeah, if we're using your logic, he's as guilty as me for being a trash player.

Edit: Shit, I didn't even realize it. Way to go on derailing the thread. Still doesn't change the fact you and TGS leaders are STILL in fact, shit.

[Belmung]

Like Talian stated, edited only to keep certain people's names out, no one relating to the arguement at hand.

As for your claims on Talian's gear: If I supposedly sold all his shit (and mine when we were both robbed), why would I fund him on getting it all back, then fund him on a whole different 75 job, and give him my gear while trying to re-gear both of us? Because that's what a someone would do after stealing their friend's things along with their own right? Ok making sure I was doing it right!

As for Hrt's gear: Hrt and I quit at the same time and gave all our tradeable equips to someone named Illious (jumped servers). Reason why we quit, which is personal but I'll even say it: Was to focus on getting jobs irl, since we were pretty much bums with no jobs, playing games all day, anime, etc. I got a bunch of interviews in a week or so, got a job, and was still trying to help Hrt get his even though he didn't even help himself so, I gave up on him briefly.

Month or so into my job, I find out there was a possible opening for Hrt and was trying to see if i could smuggle him in but had to wait a while, so I held off mentioning it till I had better confirmation. I adjusted my schedule so I was able to play FFXI with more free time so, I asked the person I gave my gear to to give if he could give it back. He did and asked if Hrtless was coming back too. With the information I had from my job, it looked pretty solid so I said yea and he decided to give me his gear as well to give to Hrtless when he returned. I asked Hrtless countless times over the course of a week if he'd done his fair share of job hunting and taking/setting up test date for something he said he was interested in. All I got in response was the sound effects of Soul Calibur and FF: Crisis Core. He had given up so, the plans we had to move on in life were pretty much just lies or he just gave up. So, as close as we were, I felt like that was that.

Seeing as he quit, and his character was gonna get deleted anyways, I went to empty out his IS and give them out to whoever wanted them. Apparently Alluan was guaranteed them so, I gave him practically all of them. Hrtless logs on and then proceeds to yell at me for "stealing" his IS and gear. How do you yell at someone for things that you don't know the whole story to? 95% of the IS went to Alluan since thats what he said. As for the gear, Hrtless stopped responding to me/ignoring me/logged off when I was telling him what the situation was w/ Illious. So... lets see... trying to help him get a RL job and further his situation irl, held the gear that Illious gave back so he could restart, and then get accused of wrong doings? Fuck that. So I gave all that shit away to the RMT Coral Fragment Fishers. Incase none of you knew, Hrtless bought crazy amounts of gil. He tried lying to everyone saying that he merited so much, and AH'd all the crystals and Tele-whored to save up for his Kirin's Osode, but he contradicts himself; how do you make money tele-whoring when all you did when online was merit 24/7? You don't, you buy gil like he did. He never farmed anything ever.

Now, you may be mad at me for giving it to Gilsellers instead of dropping it but, I made sure the gillsellers that fished up Coral Fragments got banned, made multiple detailed GM calls and reports and now they are 95% if not 100% gone from Coral Fragment fishing (which doesn't mean they gave up completely but, still, they've been cut off from gigantic source of income). As for my own gear and gil: Everything I own is Ra/Ex except for trivial equipment like Sniper's, Hauberk, etc. Everything that I have that is "worthwhile" was given to me by you guys with my points and making money off Alchemy. Yea, I have a craft leveled somewhat, unlike some of you leaders who want to try to accuse me of how I got my gear. Sorry, I'm not like you guys who use LS treasury for whatever you do with it, because I remember how you shafted everyone while i was there and kept stating treasury was low while we were making money quite well but not doing our handouts to the people you supposedly selected (which I was a leader and couldn't help decide, make any sense?), which meant two things:

Either you had to choose people in secret due to them being your "friends" or you spent it on yourselves, which is why it was low. Can't say it was for Dynamis because you used currency to fund it, God/KSNM/KS99/Random NM Drops all went to treasury. So... please deposit 25¢ and retry.

( Remember, the arguement was originally about letting valuable equipment leave LS instead of stay in LS for better member equipment and accusations of bad leadership. You guys made it personal Hrtless, none of this is a personal attack on you, I even put my personal situation into it as well. This is to defend the point we are arguing about, not the past. Try to stay on topic, we might get locked.)

[Toxeus]

eh you guys just like blowing things out of proportion, sure other people could have gotten it sure we could have said something about it, but its not that big of a deal. Its not like we are this big shell selling gear to people, a friend of mine just asked me a question and they made a decision. We dont advertise, its just an opportunity that came up that we took. Some people have money but not the time to spend in a shell to get their gear, or they are impatient and want their gear asap. This is a common practice amoung many different shells, i doubt every member in Duckns has Herald Gaitors but they still sell them just the same. We didnt seek this opportunity it was layed in front of us and a decision was made, and the fact of the matter is everybody but Talian didnt think it was a big deal. All this hatred is just not necessary its impossible to please everyone and Wil has come to terms with that but he does always have everyone's best interst at heart. People just need to learn to be more patient and understanding when it all comes down to it, ffxi will eventually die and all this shit will be meaningless nothing lasts forever.

[Talian_Caitsith]

This is a common practice amoung many different shells, i doubt every member in Duckns has Herald Gaitors but they still sell them just the same.

The rest of your post is "blah blah blah" and nothing really comes out of it. This statement right here, is only a partial truth. I guarantee you, that if a Duckns member wanted something, they would be allowed to lot on it, instead of the linkshell selling it. This was in no way a smart idea, or a good one at that. TGS had made a horrible decision, no matter what way you try and swing it.

The point of the fact is, and I wholeheartedly agree with Ashkente on this: YOU DON'T SELL ITEMS IF A LS MEMBER NEEDS IT.

[Toxeus]

lol you act as if love torque is a drug and ur addicted to you, you dont NEED anything you want it, peacock charm works just as good as love torque, if you absolutely NEEDED love torque you would have farmed 4 million like my friend zhaden and paid for your own, its just a peice of gear and just an HQ one at that where other things are good if not perfect substitutes aka pcc and chiv chain and spectacles

[Talian_Caitsith]

You're just as bad as Wilbert for grammar. You idiot, I was TRYING to trade for the Torque. Have you not read the past posts? Excuse me for using the word need in a sentence you can't read. Even if it would in fact be a drug, you still don't need it if your addicted, you WANT it. Same concept. Again, nice try. This thread, is about the fact that TGS made a horrid decision, and sold an item that LS members were in line for. They didn't bother to ask if anyone cared, and no one even knew until the transaction happened.

To quote Belmung: Please deposit 25¢ and retry.

[Toxeus]

orbs and gil are much differnt things, what is an orb gonna do us, we rarely do ksnm99s, and most of the time they only dropped around 300-400k worth of shit, assuming it sticks to the pattern and nothing big drops, + it takes time and effort and people to do ksnm, plus its not 100% win, what your offering is shit than straight out gil. The point im making is your blowing everything out of proportion, we've popped someone else's sky pops before, this is not any different. Its just a matter of how it was personal to you, b/c it was something you wanted, well guess want we really dont even know or care about you. Personally out of all the stories ive heard and shit ive seen, gekko (wil/D/allu) they are not out to get you, they arnt out to screw you, so just get over yourself

[Talian_Caitsith]

Yes, yes. Other than the fact that some HNMLS's will pay a million or two for a KS99 orb. It takes time and effort to get a fucking JoL pop too, huh? The point you make is in fact failure, and this is different. I would have done this if it was a Novio Earring, Hecatomb Feet, Hecatomb Hands...pick an item, and I would have been pissed.

I'm gonna rack up the dough if you keep attempting, I needz moar quarters.

[Toxeus]

lol man just b/c i "failed to change ur mind" doesnt mean you win, this is all a game to you and to me as well, this is just something im doing while im exping, and if you were with gekko as long as me you would know that we have popped other people's sky pops to profit from them, this is the same situation, we are profiting from something, and when the linkshell profits so do all their members, ive known these guys for years, they arnt out to get you or me or anyone

[Talian_Caitsith]

Kay. You keep thinking that. I'm done with trying to show how those guys suck at decisions, my facts are here, supported by Belmung, Ashkente and others. What happened shouldn't have, no matter what way you spin it. I bid you adieu, and I hope someone realizes how fucked up their "leadership" really is.

Oh, and by the way, you mean "When our linkshell profits, our leaders take it."

Adieu.