[Blueyes]

I would have mentioned /War, but /Thf seemed to be the cookie cutter favorite damage dealer sub job for Dancer. People love posting their Dancing Edge numbers and so forth... Personally I think /Nin offers enough benefits when you realize that Dual Wield means more than just carrying a second weapon.

[Requim]

People sub thief to improve a multi-hit ws? wtf...

[shinjaku]

Yhelothur
And I don't need to flame you Shinjaku, you do that enough to yourself.

Who is getting flamed? This is a discussion on what can work based on those that have tried it and those that want to discuss it and other options.

You have called my other tests on mnk forums fake and yet refused and came out saying you cant do it even with your NPC (tests that I have done way before npc helper came out solo and accomplished). You cant "knock down what another has done" but you can pretend you won, besides you still have yet to do them tests (whats it been like.....almost 2 years now?)
Whats wrong?

Requim
There are several ideas going on in the discussion. I think anyone who believes that h2h would beat dagger in anything serious is delusional, but I think there are some decent arguments that could make DNC/MNK work in a merit party. So IMO this thread should just look at how to maximize an inferior weapon as opposed to arguing H2H vs dagger (because dagger won).

Thats all I'm saying.

Requim
As far as H2H goes you would be punching a bit slower, but assuming you had H2H merits (which is a big if) you would only have 1 less skill at 50 than dagger, so the weapon probably won't make much difference.

Hence why I said:

shinjaku
Spending merits on hth is obviously done by someone that was MNK first and then now DNC.
You cannot spend 8 merits on both, so the word "suppose" is mute. As for choice of hth over dagger is a no-brainer

It just makes sense to me to use hth aka destroyers, not because I dont like dagger but because I already built my merits around hth and having best weapon "destroyers" in mog house cleaned longtime go to waste seems down right wrong.

Requim
If you have H2H merits you can use /mnk for a long time before you see much difference in skill, but that would imply you have more use for H2H merits over dagger since I don't think anyone would seriously merit H2H for just DNC. At 66 the difference in skill is only 6, so early and mid game, H2H can work fine as a DD or a healer/support, but remember in order to make this combo work you need to sub MNK or PUP, which means no /nin for blink tanking.

DNC/PUP might actually be rather interesting at 50 in a bizarre combo. At first glance, this obviously looks silly and situational. But the main things for DNC would be the net effect on DPS, support, and healing. As far as H2H goes you would be punching a bit slower, but assuming you had H2H merits (which is a big if) you would only have 1 less skill at 50 than dagger, so the weapon probably won't make much difference.

So for just pure DPS you would probably have 2 bone knifes at 18/190 as /nin, which with DWII has about 330 delay. As 50 DNC you would probably be using Exocets at 10/51 added to the base 19/400 of a fist, giving you a 29/451. Honestly, that doesn't look like a significant difference, though h2h would be behind 6.5acc/7atk. The next step is comparing support, which is basically just steps, which is therefore at a 6.5 acc difference. Not a huge difference, but something lacking.

At lv65 shivas is a nice upgrade till destroyers, tried pgures at lv60 was funny looking but got rid of it at lv65 asap.

I dont have blink due to /MNK, but after to start DNC merits its not a prob any more.
Fan dance + boxers mantle + o-hat + dodge and closed position = /MNK "A-OKAY".

I did notice mob aoe ws's that wipes out nin blinks also smash thru fan dance, so even without blink we all still get hit

[Arian/Armel]

I would have mentioned /War, but /Thf seemed to be the cookie cutter favorite damage dealer sub job for Dancer.

...what?

[Rockon]

This thread is still alive? Why isn't it locked already?

[Requim]

lol @ bumping a thread only to question its existence

[Izod]

Have you seen the damage dot on dagger?

Quoting only to point out how ludicrous it is to say 'damage dot' instead of using the correct term, DPS or just saying damage. He said 'damage damage over time.' Which is pretty fail.

[Treize Kordero]

I'm kinda glad how well this discussion went

[Requim]

I think he is ESL, so I wouldn't frown at him for having issues with abbreviations or conjugation. It's the content and redundancy (after translation) that is more confusing...

[Dreyvin]

dnc/mnk is fun.

[Rockon]

stop it

[madestmatt]

I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for bumping this thread but ....

I just wanted to say... /MNK is frikkin awesome!

I've been using /MNK for sometime now and its just too much fun, I use it every opportunity I can get!

Ok, so it’s not statistically the best sub, this I agree, but with a pair of destroyers, Saber Dance, Haste Samba etc etc its more fun than Dutch prostitute on Rohypnol!

Lets face it, if you have DNC at 75 you should know by now you wont be getting many end game invites if any!
So like me you're probably playing it because you find it to be hella fun and/or you're just being stubborn and won’t accept that there will always be another Job that can fulfil its given role in any group situation better.

What I’m saying really is don't just write it off as a sub, give it a whirl, you will probably like it!

There is something quite satisfying with closing a self skill chain with Raging fists! Sexy!

[Carynaira]

I find your excessive use of the exclamation point disturbing.

[madestmatt]

Ha-ha

Yes, I agree, it’s a grammatical character flaw I have, I am trying really really hard not to put any exclamation marks in this post and it’s really really difficult.

It must be some kind of compulsive disorder...

[Alisha]

if i had dnc at 75 i might consider subbing mnk and using my destroyers on something like the magic pots in sky since they get raped hard by blud dmg and dont spam blood saber like skelies. i once smack a pot in sky with a 1k howling fist when my destroyers weren't broken yet.

[TresDuendes]

i once did a full swing on a pot for 2k on mnk but you dont see me running around with a staff