[wigglestyx]

There is a new article over at JPButton that talks about locking AV's abilities.

Hello, I’m Suteki, a staff member at Vanatsu. This time we’re wrapped up in another mystery as I consider ways to seal those special abilities! First, it’s generally thought that when AV performs a 2-hour, you perform the 2-hour as well, and this will seal that same ability. I don’t think this assumption is wrong, but even if you execute this perfectly, there are times where the sealing is a success, and times where it fails. If there are some special circumstances involved here, I have no idea.

I’ve fought AV dozens of times, and the only ability I’ve seen sealed with any consistency is Call Wyvern. However, there was one day where, for the first time, sealing Call Wyvern failed. At that time, we happened to be using a different Dragoon than we usually do, so thinking there was a hidden clue behind this slip-up, I compared the two and noticed a big difference.

One had the Love Torque equipped and the other did not.

It was the thing that had the strongest connection to AV. From this clue, I had my hypothesis: Wearing a Sea Torque would make your attempt to seal 2-hours a success!

Now that we’ve established the theory of Sea Torques being the key to sealing AV’s abilities, we still have the issue of which jobs will equip the 7 different torques. This brings me to the connection with Jailer Weapons. Each job can only equip one of the available weapons. Furthermore, many of the combinations are not very practical and seem strange. In actuality, couldn’t this really be meant to correspond with the aforementioned torques? This would explain why Dragoon, which can equip Love Halbred, is able to succeed at sealing Call Wyvern while wearing the torque of the same name!

What would happen if a Black Mage wearing Prudence Torque attempts to seal Manafont?

Why is Puppetmaster able to equip Hope Staff? Out of all the jobs added after Rise of the Zilart, it is the only one able to equip one of the Jailer Weapons. What would happen if a Puppetmaster wearing Hope Torque attempted to seal AV? Could it be a weak point against “Bracelet Mode” … ?

[Prothescar]

Interesting, but hasn't it been tried?

[wigglestyx]

Interesting, but hasn't it been tried?

...I’ve fought AV dozens of times, and the only ability I’ve seen sealed with any consistency is Call Wyvern. However, there was one day where, for the first time, sealing Call Wyvern failed. At that time, we happened to be using a different Dragoon than we usually do, so thinking there was a hidden clue behind this slip-up, I compared the two and noticed a big difference.

One had the Love Torque equipped and the other did not.

kinda sounds like it.

[6souls]

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[Canada]

No equippable BLU or COR weapons, but then again, AV uses niether abilities. PUP could be the abstract against comet/meteor and bracelets. It's an original theory and one that I haven't really read to be tested. GL, but I hate to be pessimistic here, I doubt it will work. SE is gay with this mob.

[Eladamri]

I think this has been around for a long time. And doesn't work (or else it would say so somewhere).

Only way to lock AV's abilities is to get it stuck on a wall

[Corrderio]

Hmm, it's an interesting theory. I always thought it was suspicious jailers would drop weapons 100%, but then again I'm a paranoid nut. >.>

[Aust101]

I am very curious to hear an update on some AV theory. I understand AV talk has gotten pretty old, and how toau has pretty much trumped cop end game. So has anyone gotten close and been able to understand the "hint" left by SE? This mob always intrests me because it is possible, yet not one person in the world can figure it out? . We will get it guys don't worry.

So any new tests sence this last post?

[Symbios]

Supposed to trade every jailer weapon to every ebon panel at the same time while changing the Monoliths in sky to blue and need to pop Pandemonium Warden and then defeat Dynamis Lord within 5 minutes of them popping.

[Jiogo]

Did SE have a pup w/ them in the video they released?

[Aust101]

Did SE have a pup w/ them in the video they released?

AV was released befor the pup job was even avilable, I find it hard to believe pup job has much of any impact on how to defeat AV. But please disscus your point further guys. Has no one tried more tests? If this informatin is already out somewhere please just post a link I could look at. Read some actual interesting content. ^^

[Symbios]

It had been tested a couple times, and I think they were successful in locking Call Wyvern somehow, but not the other ones, so it's still a complete mystery.

[Aust101]

Was this confirmed by DRG /equiped w/ love torque 2hr with av locked it?



And something that I would like to talk about was how did they use there 2hrs more then once? What does that have to do with the fight and SE's strat. Just like the guy said a few post ago, can't be Cor because that job, like pup, wasn't out when AV was created. Fun stuff ^^

[wigglestyx]

.....And something that I would like to talk about was how did they use there 2hrs more then once? ....

The videos that SE made span over 6hrs or so if I recall. (can tell from day changes)
I believe the video was multiple fights, not one long one.
You see multiple two hours because they're trying to emphasize something when that happens.

Unless SE releases a new, less cryptic video of AV, it will probably be a long time till someone stumbles across the real secret.

[laurenn]

Part of me is always happy to see an AV theory thread, then another part of me dies a little cause its always the same 5 ideas.

I believe people are on the right track to figuring him out, but so many people are so resistant to trying new things for sake of exp loss.

SE released a nice pile of crap on us with that "AV secrets caught on tape" video. They also (in my opinion) enjoy watching us squirm under the pressure of not understanding what the hell they want us to do to get him to stop instameteoring, going into bracelets mode, and beneing.

SE wants us to figure it out for ourselves, i understand that. However as it was stated before in this thread, the dev team took ~6 hours to beat av. With the new 2hour limit in from popping love to killing AV, SE has changed the fight considerably from when they showed us the "secrets" to beating him.

I think the players who go to fan fest, anyone who has an interview with SE, or anyone who has any sort of connections to the dev team or anyone on the programming side of ffxi should challenge them to make a new video that shows them downing him in 2 hours.

I'm now asking too much of SE (then again asking them to do anything AV related is too much)
This video should also be at least 20 minutes to give us some indication of what we are doing wrong, and what were not seeing. To my knowledge, no one has beaten him since they broke kclub drking him down. but every time we manage to find a strategy to come out with AV on the ground instead of vice versa SE quickly patches it away.

The Wall of Justice
Time nuking his pets
Kclubing

Every strategy we come up with seems to be the wrong one in SE's eyes. So after three years of us just leaving him to despawn, multiple "hints" from SE, and the Dev team spitting in our faces we obviously are just not getting it.

SE says they read forums, then SE please hear the plea of all of the people who still play your game, we still don't understand. Either give us back one of our ways of killing him, or just show us what were doing wrong.

[Symbios]

I believe people are on the right track to figuring him out, but so many people are so resistant to trying new things for sake of exp loss.

This really isn't about exp loss- people lost thousands upon thousands of XP so they could bring PW down, because PW had an ability that was devastating to the whole alliance, but could be easily avoided with the right planning. There's no such luck with AV because his behavior is seemingly random and his spells are insta-cast.

[Fla$h619]

When Laurenn brought up the ~6 hours it took for the dev team to kill, it reminded me of FF12 and how they gave the last "mark" to kill about 3 hours to kill it . I think SE wanted to remind us of AV from FF11 when they put that mob in FF12 :/

[Corrderio]

Was this confirmed by DRG /equiped w/ love torque 2hr with av locked it?



And something that I would like to talk about was how did they use there 2hrs more then once? What does that have to do with the fight and SE's strat. Just like the guy said a few post ago, can't be Cor because that job, like pup, wasn't out when AV was created. Fun stuff ^^

I think someone confirmed weapon + torque doesn't effect AV in any way.

[Symbios]

Considering how they made the AV pop 100% that should've been a clue, otherwise they would've increased Love Torque drop to 100%.

[Tarts]

Has anyone tried to use the 7 of the sin weapons (the opposition to virtue) Like greed scimitar ect ect?