[Auraeon]

"Optimizes both white and black magic capabilities and allows access to both addenda for your next spell."

The description implies it works similar to Tabula Rasa, in that it optimizes both white and black magic at the same time as if having both Light and Dark Arts up at the same time (without the penalties.)

Currently, Enlightenment only unlocks both addenda. It doesn't affect spells in any other way, what-so-ever.

Reraise II with nothing but Enlightenment active = 175 MP and 1 minute recast time (without RDM sub)

Cure IV with nothing but Enlightenment active = 88 MP and 8 second recast time (without RDM sub)

Blizzard IV with nothing but Enlightenment active = 164 MP and 36 second recast time (without RDM sub)

And just to make sure it wasn't specific to when under an Arts effect;

Reraise II + Dark Arts + Enlightenment = 210 MP cost on menu and it still consumed 210 MP after casting it.

So, after testing multiple times, I figure I am definitely not imagining things. Enlightenment is broken.

Let's complain to SE that they suck.

The End.

[Ellatrix]

I still find it useful to save one if I just need a fast spell in another arts (notably erase or sleep2). But yea, it should be better.

[Maikeru_Sylph]

I see this as something they are going to save for the next update. There's always something that they just let go for 3~4 months and fix it next update. Either that or there just hasn't been enough complaints about it since most scholars are meriting focalization and could care less about enlightenment.

[meow]

when did SE tell you Enlightment removes penalty?

[Ellatrix]

when did SE tell you Enlightment removes penalty?

"Optimizes both white and black magic capabilities and allows access to both addenda for your next spell."

Reading comprehension is hard.

[Draxk]

It should say Optimizies skill and access to both addenda . u get screwed from the mp if in opposite arts
Definetly could be better

[pathwriter]

Speaking as an outsider, I'd always read that line as "Optimizes both white and black magic capabilities by allowing access to both addenda for your next spell." I suppose I'm used to the inconsistencies of the localization team.

[SenseiShotokan]

All I can say is it's probably a bad translation from JP to english. It happens. Hopefully they gonna read that forum and change it. It hapenned in the past, where they had to change the description of something in the game.

[Yoona]

I think the JA would have been much better/useful if it allowed us to use either a spell OR a stratagem from the opposite addendum. There really aren't many situations where I need to cast certain spells from the opposite arts where this JA would make a huge difference. The only situation I can think of really is if im feeling really lazy or out of charges and need to cast R2 or RR2, or if im in light arts and I need to cast sleep II. I would get much more use out of this if it allowed use of stratagems. This would allow me to cast AoE storms every 5 minutes will in dark arts which would save so much time.

[rambus]

this is the 3rd time this has been brogutht up lol

to path, my qutoe from the chat thread:

anyways so i got enlightenment just for the sake of using RR II when i want to dark arts full time. 240 mp and i had this thought why not just use light arts with enlightenment put RR II up then do black arts > add black. it saves a stratagem but it should do more according to the discrpition:

this is what it does and how it should read with what it does currently:

Enlightenment:

Allows access to both addenda for your next spell. Recast 10 min. shorten recast time by 1 minute 15 seconds.

what SE states and does not do:

Optimizes both white and black magic capabilities and allows access to both addenda for your next spell. Recast 10 min. shorten recast time by 1 minute 15 seconds.

This should mean you get the skill boosts and spell lists of both Addendum : black and Addendum: White , the save MP cost, and the shortened cast and recast time

I want to know if SE fails at English or fails at programing. what do you think? GM said it was working properly and i should ask " community sites" and that he looks at them and was working as intended.

point with this path its like saying:

2 is 2 and 2 is 2.

you do not need it said twice if the objective is to say the same thing over again.

ether SE fails at english or fails at programing, what is your side?

[rambus]

tired of the " see cummenty sites as well but here ya go :

[pathwriter]

I thought I stated my position very clearly: "I'm used to the inconsistencies of the localization team."

Go over to JP Button and read the interviews with the localization team. They're just translating in a way that is based on the Japanese and their own playing experience. Most of them aren't hardcore players and probably don't have a 75 Scholar. This is hardly the first time they've used poor English, either.

[rambus]

I thought I stated my position very clearly: "I'm used to the inconsistencies of the localization team."

Go over to JP Button and read the interviews with the localization team. They're just translating in a way that is based on the Japanese and their own playing experience. Most of them aren't hardcore players and probably don't have a 75 Scholar. This is hardly the first time they've used poor English, either.

I am missing the point, if all it does is give you acess to spells say that, im pretty sure the JP language is not based on adding un nessery information to get a point across, if that is all ti does then all they need to say is " allows acess to both adena" it is not hard to look up the word optimization. why even use that word when you do not need it?

[pathwriter]

Japanese is a language built on saying about half as much as we say in English. Ideas are conveyed through context and implied statements and other things that are painfully vague compared to English grammar (or English is needlessly obtuse, to look at it from the other direction). Without seeing the Japanese itself, ignoring that I couldn't read it, I can't say for certain how true to the original the English localization is.

To give you an idea of the autonomy and differences, though, the Japanese and French versions have references to alcohol and tobacco that are completely absent from the English and German versions. The English version is the only one in which Shantotto rhymes. Food, both normal and high quality, gets fun descriptions in English whereas the Japanese basically says, "This is a Meat Mithkabob," and "This is a tasty Meat Mithkabob" (paraphrasing here, not sure on the precise text).

I'm not discounting the possibility that the description is screwed up in the original Japanese. Here's the text of it from eLeMeN:

グリモアに関わらず次の1回だけ白魔法、黒魔法ともに特化し、両方の補遺の魔法を詠唱可能。

Running that through Babelfish produces:

Just the next 1 times both white magic and black magic to specialize regardless of [gurimoa], magic of the both supplement permanent residence possibility.

Goodness, that's like reading one of your posts, Rambus. I suppose the English is fairly accurate, so the problem may be with the original Japanese team. So what? We know what Englightenment does now. Hundred Fists used to give a true Haste effect, in that it reduced magic recast timers as well as increasing melee attack speed. That was never in the description, but some of us figured it out (and SE removed it after I published it -.-). It's just a description, get over it.

[rambus]

Japanese is a language built on saying about half as much as we say in English. Ideas are conveyed through context and implied statements and other things that are painfully vague compared to English grammar (or English is needlessly obtuse, to look at it from the other direction). Without seeing the Japanese itself, ignoring that I couldn't read it, I can't say for certain how true to the original the English localization is.

To give you an idea of the autonomy and differences, though, the Japanese and French versions have references to alcohol and tobacco that are completely absent from the English and German versions. The English version is the only one in which Shantotto rhymes. Food, both normal and high quality, gets fun descriptions in English whereas the Japanese basically says, "This is a Meat Mithkabob," and "This is a tasty Meat Mithkabob" (paraphrasing here, not sure on the precise text).

I'm not discounting the possibility that the description is screwed up in the original Japanese. Here's the text of it from eLeMeN:

グリモアに関わらず次の1回だけ白魔法、黒魔法ともに特化し、両方の補遺の魔法を詠唱可能。

Running that through Babelfish produces:

Just the next 1 times both white magic and black magic to specialize regardless of [gurimoa], magic of the both supplement permanent residence possibility.

Goodness, that's like reading one of your posts, Rambus. I suppose the English is fairly accurate, so the problem may be with the original Japanese team. So what? We know what Englightenment does now. Hundred Fists used to give a true Haste effect, in that it reduced magic recast timers as well as increasing melee attack speed. That was never in the description, but some of us figured it out (and SE removed it after I published it -.-). It's just a description, get over it.

its not DOING what it states if riddle did not hit 2-3 times would you be pissed?

even your babblefish translation means Enlightenment is suppose to give the dark arts and light arts bonus.

[pathwriter]

Have you been reading about Glanzfaust? I'll sum it up for you: The "Occasionally attacks twice" aftermath only applies to the main hand, not both, unlike the 6% critical hit rate on Destroyers. Of course I'm pissed by it. But it's just the motherfucking description. I'm irritated, but I recognize that the description is meaningless once I know what's really going on. Get over it!

[rambus]

Have you been reading about Glanzfaust? I'll sum it up for you: The "Occasionally attacks twice" aftermath only applies to the main hand, not both, unlike the 6% critical hit rate on Destroyers. Of course I'm pissed by it. But it's just the motherfucking description. I'm irritated, but I recognize that the description is meaningless once I know what's really going on. Get over it!

read my edit.

[pathwriter]

Read my words: I don't give a shit what the description says, I care about what it actually does. Oh no, the description might be wrong! Not fucking important.

[Banggugyangu]

1: The characters do indeed have their own little nuances in their speech in the japanese version. While shantoto doesn't rhyme, she indeed does not speak as one would normally.

2: Rambus is upset over semantics. His point is: "If all it does is this, then why say it does that as well." I see his argument and agree honestly.

3: Glanzfaust's "Occasionally attacks twice" is merely a piece of gear adding double attack. If you've ever used MNK/WAR you would notice that you cannot attack twice with both fists through double attack. You can at most get 4 hits which is 3 fists and 1 kick. I don't see that as operating outside of it's description. Otherwise one could argue that joyeuse should then cause the other weapon you're holding to also occasionally attack twice.

[Phlow]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

OH WOW

THE PICTURE OF RUMBAS FIGHTING WITH THE GM ABOUT PROPER ENGLISH USAGE (of all things) IS FUCKING PRICELESS