[stubbieunicornserver]

Yo, this is the deal here i'm in the market to possibly upgrade a relic, i can use : spharai, aegis, horn, excalibur or bravura

Now, i have decided: monk gets no love, my monk is badass as hell but even though it's my favorite job and it's decked out...it gets no party invites and i like to plow shit!

My taru pld never gets asked to tank.

Fuck bard, lol.

So the one thing remains, bravura, soooo my real dilemma here is that i dont like 2 hand weapons, at all, if i liked 2hand i woulda lvld drk or sam. I leveled war when rampage was the shit, and it still is to me, i like fast TP gains, if i /nin i like dual wielding, duh!

Does bravura outparse good ridill build and if so, how much by/is it worth the price tag, i could also buy a ridill with the large chunk of money i have come into (thank you SE for this cursed cuirass -1 i made), if anyone with experience with both items could drop a post it would be great.. i'm sure war/sam bravua would own like hell too, but i'm talking strictly /nin because it's what most people want it seems

[BanetheBrawler]

get spharai. as long as youre going to spend hundreds of millions of gil, you might as well enjoy the product.

"can i come mnk?" "no" "fuck you i have spharai im coming monk"

[Ture]

its your money play what you like and the rest can fuck off.

[byte.xi]

Bravura has an Evasion Down additional effect and Defense Down on Metatron Torment. This will equate to a lot of extra dmg for everyone in your alliance. The WS is also pretty much equivalent to 300TP Steel Cyclone at just 100TP (2.75 mod at 100, 200, 300 TP). The biggest flaw with this relic is that you lose a 6 hit setup (but that's only with /SAM anyways and as you said, /nin is used for most things). You can still retain the hit setup with Carbonara, which isn't a bad food at all.

Gjallarhorn is great but enjoy playing BRD 4 life.

Aegis is hugely overrated and doesn't make you a good tank. I've seen plenty of terrible Aegis players. It's not even all that useful if you play right and many PLDs will recommend Excal over Aegis.

Exalibur - See above (but not like your pld would be gimp or disadvantaged with hauteclaire, so whatever)

Spharai - Probably a waste of time considering the amount of dispute about whether or not this can be outparsed by Destroyers. In any case, the difference marginal enough to be debated so clearly not worth the investment imo. Plus not a 2hander job, so not quite the powerhouse it used to be.

Just my opinion anyway

[Saxonian]

Bravura has an Evasion Down additional effect and Defense Down on Metatron Torment. This will equate to a lot of extra dmg for everyone in your alliance. The WS is also pretty much equivalent to 300TP Steel Cyclone at just 100TP (2.75 mod at 100, 200, 300 TP). The biggest flaw with this relic is that you lose a 6 hit setup (but that's only with /SAM anyways and as you said, /nin is used for most things). You can still retain the hit setup with Carbonara, which isn't a bad food at all.

Gjallarhorn is great but enjoy playing BRD 4 life.

Aegis is hugely overrated and doesn't make you a good tank. I've seen plenty of terrible Aegis players. It's not even all that useful if you play right and many PLDs will recommend Excal over Aegis.

Exalibur - See above (but not like your pld would be gimp or disadvantaged with hauteclaire, so whatever)

Spharai - Probably a waste of time considering the amount of dispute about whether or not this can be outparsed by Destroyers. In any case, the difference marginal enough to be debated so clearly not worth the investment imo. Plus not a 2hander job, so not quite the powerhouse it used to be.

Just my opinion anyway

All of this is extremely bias towards WAR since he lives and dreams WAR.

[Thelian]

horn or gaxe

hclair is overrated, take that shit elsewhere

[Darkseth]

i would even say, in merit party situations, a Perdu GA war/sam could outdmg a good ridill-war. assuming you get 2x bard, or better brd + cor with chaos/fighters roll. even without Hasso, seigan + third eye and retaliation will spam you with TP.

[Arkley]

I'd say get Bravura. It's a fantastic weapon with a great WS and additional effects. GHorn makes you BRD forever, Aegis makes you PLD forever, and neither will make you instantly awesome at your job. Spharai are too small an upgrade from Destroyers to be worth it, especially if you're not a career MNK, and in my opinion (I must stress that this is only my opinion, there are bound to be people who disagree) Excalibur isn't worth it unless you already have Aegis, the much better upgrade.

[Celik]

Get Horn, we have a Ghorn in my LS and he still comes to Play on his MNK to shit like Kirin, and sometimes to Sea. Beleive me if you don't tell people you have bard...You'll come w/e.

Also, I always get invited on my MNK, and I usually outparse most people in the party, even on birds...unless its an LS Party, then I go QQ in the Corner because of me not having a BB. so...QQ.

But really its up to you since you know, its your Character. But yeah like most people said, Bravura or Horn...

[Damane]

I finished bravura 3 weeks ago and I dont regret it. The Evasion Down procs alot. The Def down of metatron torment is very nice, it dispels def. bonus moves of mobs that are not dispellable (hi wivre). Metatron Torment for itself will range from 800-1400 depending on your PT setup buffs. I can not stress enough how many times the aftermath effect has saved my life, especially in Dynamis, wish it would last longer. The 2x dmg is off course allways a nice bonus.

Definitly a nice weapon to consider, I love playing war so it was my choice of weapon.
As for you, if you enjoy mnk so much, go for spharai. I was first thinking at going for aegis/excalibur, but I realy dont like PLD as much as I like WAR. Go for the job you enjoy most.

[Ture]

Congrats on your brav. Your decision was similar to mine, When I started on my relic planning I looked at Mandau Bravura and Aegis. While I consider war my best geared job currently, thf is my passion. I would never talk down about an aegis but for the amount I play paladin now I wouldn't want to change my entire way of life to suit that one item.

[Varizen]

Claustrum.

[Hyriu]

i'm torn between Apoc and Bravura, since apoc cures you, hastes you, jacks you off etc.

[Eladamri]

"fuck you i have spharai im coming monk"

/thread

[Kaparu]

I'd say get Bravura. It's a fantastic weapon with a great WS and additional effects. GHorn makes you BRD forever, Aegis makes you PLD forever, and neither will make you instantly awesome at your job. Spharai are too small an upgrade from Destroyers to be worth it, especially if you're not a career MNK, and in my opinion (I must stress that this is only my opinion, there are bound to be people who disagree) Excalibur isn't worth it unless you already have Aegis, the much better upgrade.

Not only am I going to disagree, I'm going to ask that you never give relic advise ever, ever again. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

On topic: Truth be told, I don't like you, but my desire to be informative is taking precedence at the moment, so I'll be nice.

There are two types of relic weapons: ones that will make groundbreaking changes to your job, and ones that will simply be.. Well, as if you got a weapon that was better than what you were using. Bravura, Spharai, and Aegis are all going to fall under the latter category. The difference in performance will be there, but it won't be utterly astonishing. If you want the best of each respective weapon, any of those three choices won't let you down.

Then we have the former-type; These weapons are not only the best of their genre, but they can actually change the capabilities of the class they are equipped by. Gjallarhorn and Excalibur(Apocalypse as well, though no particularly applicable to you) are the respective holy grails of their classes. Going from a 3MP/tick Ballad to a 7MP/tick one is nothing short of amazing, and will eliminate any MP issues for whatever party you're in(not that I ever particularly feel it is, in most situations, but that is neither here nor there). On the same token (and my personal favorite of any relic weapon in the game), Excalibur will take one of the most capable tanks in the game, and turn them into an absolute monster, while leaving them just as sturdy as before. Properly equipped, the sword will single-handedly allow you to out-damage any Black Mage you can throw at a monster. Combining two essential and powerful roles into one machine of a job class is nothing to scoff at, and realistically speaking, more of a difference than any shield could ever hope to make.

That all said, upgrade a weapon for the job you want to play. If you want your Monk to be at its highest potential, upgrade Spharai. If you want to be able to five-man a wyrm, upgrade Gjallarhorn. If you want to Utterly destroy every other damage-dealer in your alliance on the parser while simultaneously tanking what you're killing, upgrade Excalibur.

[rambus]

Not only am I going to disagree, I'm going to ask that you never give relic advise ever, ever again. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

On topic: Truth be told, I don't like you, but my desire to be informative is taking precedence at the moment, so I'll be nice.

There are two types of relic weapons: ones that will make groundbreaking changes to your job, and ones that will simply be.. Well, as if you got a weapon that was better than what you were using. Bravura, Spharai, and Aegis are all going to fall under the latter category. The difference in performance will be there, but it won't be utterly astonishing. If you want the best of each respective weapon, any of those three choices won't let you down.

Then we have the former-type; These weapons are not only the best of their genre, but they can actually change the capabilities of the class they are equipped by. Gjallarhorn and Excalibur(Apocalypse as well, though no particularly applicable to you) are the respective holy grails of their classes. Going from a 3MP/tick Ballad to a 7MP/tick one is nothing short of amazing, and will eliminate any MP issues for whatever party you're in(not that I ever particularly feel it is, in most situations, but that is neither here nor there). On the same token (and my personal favorite of any relic weapon in the game), Excalibur will take one of the most capable tanks in the game, and turn them into an absolute monster, while leaving them just as sturdy as before. Properly equipped, the sword will single-offhandedly allow you to out-damage any Black Mage you can throw at a monster. Combining two essential and powerful roles into one machine of a job class is nothing to scoff at, and realistically speaking, more of a difference than any shield could ever hope to make.

That all said, upgrade a weapon for the job you want to play. If you want your Monk to be at its highest potential, upgrade Spharai. If you want to be able to five-man a wyrm, upgrade Gjallarhorn. If you want to Utterly destroy every other damage-dealer in your alliance on the parser while simultaneously tanking what you're killing, upgrade Excalibur.

slow are we? i been waiting.

[Kaparu]

Err, sorry, I actually left one of the 'groundbreaking' ones out. In addition to Gjallarhorn, Excalibur, and Apocalypse(if you'd like me to go into detail as to why this is such an improvement, I'd be happy to), Yoichinoyumi really does have a very similar effect on Ranger as the others do on their respective jobs. It isn't simply an upgrade in your bow, like a Bravura would be for a Warrior.

[byte.xi]

Err, sorry, I actually left one of the 'groundbreaking' ones out. In addition to Gjallarhorn, Excalibur, and Apocalypse(if you'd like me to go into detail as to why this is such an improvement, I'd be happy to), Yoichinoyumi really does have a very similar effect on Ranger as the others do on their respective jobs. It isn't simply an upgrade in your bow, like a Bravura would be for a Warrior.

You're an idiot.

[Aragon]

Please elaborate as to why?

He actually has a solid point in regards to ranking those relics.

To the OP, get the relic for the job you enjoy most. Don't get a relic just because it's game breaking, get a relic because you enjoy being on that job and have no problems being asked to come play that job.

If it's MNK you're serious about doing it for, put some time or money into making your monk better as well though. "Sitting in the corner crying" about not having a BB isn't going to get you one. They're not hard to attain at all, just get some friends and do KS99's or offer to buy them from other LS's.

If you're serious about getting a relic I hope you're serious about gearing the job properly though, having a relic w/o the gear to back it up would make it a wasted relic.

Edit: As per outparsing a Ridill War, it's all about the user and knowing how to gear/play the job. Given the jobs are being played by someone that knows how to play, even w/o Bravura GA should come out on top on a parser.

[Saxonian]

You're an idiot.

You only say that because Kap doesn't share your view that Bravura is a Jesus weapon, what he said was actually pretty solid and made a lot of sense.