[Saxonian]

Yeah I'll just keep 2 setups handy, Ares/Parade when MP is low and Hauby+1/PCC/Ancient when it's not an issue.

Fixed that for you.

[FurionStormRage]

Fixed that for you.

I don't see anything wrong with a Fort Torque, hitting the mob isn't nearly as hard (on PLD) as hitting for decent damage, so I'll gladly give up the small ACC bonus for the attack gain. (And on WAR, as if WAR needs more ACC lol)

[Buckethead]

Excal on JOL

I'm sure Buckethead has some parses of Tiamat, the only link I could find quickly was the one above.

From today's Khimaira:

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Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg
Andypoole                   25     0.03 %           0           0           0           0          25          0
Deadwing                   762     1.01 %           0           0         762           0           0          0
Buckethead               16371    21.75 %        4894           0        1798        2897           0       6782
Hess                      9010    11.97 %         548           0           0        8462           0          0
Kebo                      3523     4.68 %        1981           0          66        1462           0         14
Leta                     15994    21.25 %       10114           0          63        5802          15          0
Nesher                    2727     3.62 %        1932           0           0         795           0          0
Nozoren                   8041    10.68 %           0           0           0           0        8041          0
Oldcrow                     12     0.02 %           0           0           0           0          12          0
Rida                      3171     4.21 %           0           0           0           0        3171          0
Snugglebunny              6836     9.08 %           0           0           0           0        6836          0
Leviathan                 8787    11.68 %         485           0        8302           0           0          0
Total                    75259   100.00 %       19954           0       10991       19418       18100       6796


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Buckethead            4894   29.89 %     277/49   84.97 %      0/87    14.03     22     50/77   59.82    7.94 %
Hess                    548    6.08 %       12/8   60.00 %      0/54    27.67      3    85/111   99.67   25.00 %
Kebo                   1981   56.23 %    153/101   60.24 %      0/28     9.29     13     43/63   52.38    8.50 %
Leta                  10114   63.24 %     117/11   91.41 %    14/332    80.10      9   108/249  162.56    7.69 %
Nesher                 1932   70.85 %       79/8   90.80 %      0/29     8.83     15    33/196   91.13   18.99 %
Leviathan               485    5.52 %       18/5   78.26 %     12/33    25.12      1     58/58   58.00    5.56 %


Other Magical Damage  (Additional Effects and Spikes)
Player            M.AE Dmg  # M.AE  M.AE Avg   R.AE Dmg  # R.AE  R.AE Avg   Spk.Dmg  # Spike  Spk.Avg
Buckethead            6776      18    376.44          0       0      0.00         6        2     3.00
Kebo                    14      16      0.88          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Buckethead                  2897    17.70 %       8/0   100.00 %     321/375   362.13
- Atonement                 2897   100.00 %       8/0   100.00 %     321/375   362.13
Hess                         8462    93.92 %      11/0   100.00 %    338/1175   769.27
- Tachi: Gekko              8462   100.00 %      11/0   100.00 %    338/1175   769.27
Kebo                         1462    41.50 %       4/0   100.00 %     360/368   365.50
- Atonement                 1462   100.00 %       4/0   100.00 %     360/368   365.50
Leta                         5802    36.28 %      14/1    93.33 %     184/847   414.43
- Catastrophe               2958    50.98 %       8/1    88.89 %     184/475   369.75
- Guillotine                1221    21.04 %       2/0   100.00 %     374/847   610.50
- Insurgency                 702    12.10 %       2/0   100.00 %     305/397   351.00
- Spinning Slash             921    15.87 %       2/0   100.00 %     405/516   460.50
Nesher                        795    29.15 %       2/0   100.00 %     168/627   397.50
- Mercy Stroke               795   100.00 %       2/0   100.00 %     168/627   397.50


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Deadwing                      762   100.00 %      25/0   100.00 %      15/149    30.48
- Earth Shot                 762   100.00 %      25/0   100.00 %      15/149    30.48
Buckethead                  1798    10.98 %       6/0   100.00 %     292/305   299.67
- Shield Bash               1798   100.00 %       6/0   100.00 %     292/305   299.67
Kebo                           66     1.87 %       3/0   100.00 %       22/22    22.00
- Shield Bash                 66   100.00 %       3/0   100.00 %       22/22    22.00
Leta                           63     0.39 %       3/0   100.00 %       21/21    21.00
- Weapon Bash                 63   100.00 %       3/0   100.00 %       21/21    21.00
Leviathan                    8302    94.48 %      16/1    94.12 %     399/816   518.88
- Spinning Dive             8302   100.00 %      16/1    94.12 %     399/816   518.88


Spell Damage
Player                  Spell Dmg   Spell %  #Spells  #Fail  S.Low/Hi     S.Avg  #MBurst  MB.Low/Hi   MB.Avg
Andypoole                      25  100.00 %        3      0      0/21      8.33        0        0/0     0.00
- Stone                        0    0.00 %        1      0       0/0      0.00        0        0/0     0.00
- Stone II                    25  100.00 %        2      0      4/21     12.50        0        0/0     0.00
Leta                           15    0.09 %        1      0     15/15     15.00        0        0/0     0.00
- Drain II                    15  100.00 %        1      0     15/15     15.00        0        0/0     0.00
Nozoren                      8041  100.00 %       30      0    33/646    268.03        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzaga III              2322   28.88 %        7      0   120/483    331.71        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzard III               883   10.98 %        5      0    33/319    176.60        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzard IV               3234   40.22 %       13      0    51/414    248.77        0        0/0     0.00
- Drain                       72    0.90 %        1      0     72/72     72.00        0        0/0     0.00
- Freeze II                 1530   19.03 %        4      0    67/646    382.50        0        0/0     0.00
Oldcrow                        12  100.00 %        2      0       6/6      6.00        0        0/0     0.00
- Bio III                     12  100.00 %        2      0       6/6      6.00        0        0/0     0.00
Rida                         3171  100.00 %       15      0    48/474    211.40        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzaga III              1507   47.52 %        5      0    48/474    301.40        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzard IV               1079   34.03 %        5      0    48/401    215.80        0        0/0     0.00
- Freeze II                  527   16.62 %        4      0    66/268    131.75        0        0/0     0.00
- Thundaga III                58    1.83 %        1      0     58/58     58.00        0        0/0     0.00
Snugglebunny                 6836  100.00 %       32      0     0/531    213.63        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzaga III               469    6.86 %        1      0   469/469    469.00        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzard III               998   14.60 %        9      0    30/260    110.89        0        0/0     0.00
- Blizzard IV               3232   47.28 %       12      0    49/399    269.33        0        0/0     0.00
- Dia II                       0    0.00 %        4      0       0/0      0.00        0        0/0     0.00
- Freeze II                 1857   27.17 %        5      0   265/531    371.40        0        0/0     0.00
- Water IV                   280    4.10 %        1      0   280/280    280.00        0        0/0     0.00

Leta was meleeing fulltime(Apoc DRK, switched to Naglering and Spinning Slashed twice to satisfy my curiosity of its' damage vs Khimaira), Hess was meditating and weaponskilling with Sneak Attack. Oh, and Leta didn't have a BRD, so I most likely would have lost, and have lost to him before on Cerberus.

As for PCC/Ancient Vs Fort Torque, unless your accuracy is capped (almost never, I seldom cap accuracy even in full DD gear), or its helping you hit for more than 0 (very unlikely), PCC/Ancient Torque will win.

[Corrderio]

And Corrderio, its been a common practice of smart Paladins since shortly after Atonement was introduced. A Paladin's evasion is floored(20%) against things of that level regardless. Things like Haubergeon and Homam can only help you.

I say this is the best advice in this thread. I f*cking love using my HQ Haub... too bad my LS forbids me from wearing it ; ;

[Kaparu]

I say this is the best advice in this thread. I f*cking love using my HQ Haub... too bad my LS forbids me from wearing it ; ;

What are they going to do, kick you?

Personally, I'd tell them to shut the fuck up and let me play the job the way it should be played, but I'm pretty outspoken. There's always the more conservative, 'just do it, because they're not going to do anything about it' approach.

[FurionStormRage]

I'm surprised your LS doesn't make you use an EStaff Corrderio >.>

[Corrderio]

Oh I use an Earth Staff

On Corsair


HINT: If you didn't get the joke, highlight my post.

[JackalTheManCat]

Your ignorance is borderline impressive. Anyone who truly believes a self-Phalanx is the reason Paladins sub Red Mage isn't worthy of my time. I won't even pretend to be humble for this bullshit, you're too god damned stupid to argue with.

Remember when you tried to call me an idiot over glorifying Excalibur, followed by every intelligent participant in the thread telling you how incredibly wrong you were? Spoiler: Its happening again.

My post was specifically about the survivability of /blu in supertank scenarios. Tell me what /rdm does over /blu in that situation. You dismissed the subjob and made a huge ass out of yourself (as usual) without addressing the actual point the person was trying to make. Regardless of whether /blu is a good idea or not, it was mentioned as a possible sub and is usable in some situations. You jumped somebody's ass for just saying it can be used, so learn to read dude.

I reiterate the tiny IRL-peen comment as well. You have some major personal issues if you seriously feel the need to act the way you do. What, are you 4'7"? Do people push you down on the playground? What exactly is it that makes you such a fucking intolerable ass? (don't claim it's because you're always right. some people manage that while staying decent human beings)

[FurionStormRage]

Oh I use an Earth Staff

On Corsair


HINT: If you didn't get the joke, highlight my post.

Well played sir

[Kaparu]

I reiterate the tiny IRL-peen comment as well. You have some major personal issues if you seriously feel the need to act the way you do. What, are you 4'7"? Do people push you down on the playground? What exactly is it that makes you such a fucking intolerable ass? (don't claim it's because you're always right. some people manage that while staying decent human beings)

If you're that interested in my life outside of this forum, there's a link to my Myspace in my signature. I've actually been referred to on many an occasion as one of the most positive and inexplicably happy individuals people have ever met. But what can I say, twats who dive at any opportunity to jump my shit piss me the fuck off.

[Deo2]

/whm - because the stingy un-allied campaign npcs won't give you free reraise.

/sam - cause skilling up staff/polearm/greatsword/parry is too slow but you just have to have everything in blue... and someone convinced you Seigan and Third Eye was a good idea.

/pup - you thought it was a good solo skill-up sub. Unfortunately, because you didn't equip the scanner, it wastes all its spell casts on casting failed poison, dia, and silence instead of curing you.

/brd - you threw together some sort of 5mp/tick set-up (vermy, parade, sanction/sigil, ballad) and become some sort of reverse summoner/whitemage (tons of refresh, crap base mp pool)

/bst - because skilling up a weapon on 60+ monsters is dangerous.

[Thekingofjeuno]

/drk for retarded mega hate, and stun/sleep/bind for consistent hate spells

retarded mega-hate eh? now i HAVE to see this.... by the way... i think your signature is somewhat offensive... we paladins arent your dogs ya know... i dont know where you got the idea that you can get aggro from a crab in kuftal tunnel and then just come runnin' to the pld all willy nilly... we arent your toys... I would tank the damn crab anyway... just trying to draw attention to the signature/avatar

[JackalTheManCat]

If you're that interested in my life outside of this forum, there's a link to my Myspace in my signature. I've actually been referred to on many an occasion as one of the most positive and inexplicably happy individuals people have ever met. But what can I say, twats who dive at any opportunity to jump my shit piss me the fuck off.

If you conducted yourself with a little courtesy people wouldn't treat you like a douche. I'd be confident saying that 75% or more of the posts i see from you are blatantly ass-tastic. I only jumped your ass because i'm tired of seeing the absolute shit you spew at people for simple things like asking questions or giving advice you don't 100% agree with. Somebody gave /blu advice and even though you agreed with the greater part of it, you still felt the need to be a complete dick about it.

Also, it'd be super nice of you to acknowledge the fact that your little rant about /rdm vs /blu (the reply to my post) was completely off base because you were in such a rush to flap around your little e-peen that you totally missed that i was talking about supertank situations. Thanks in advance, sweetheart~

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Reply kingofjeuno's post above: yes /drk is pretty sweet hate generation. Stun makes as much hate as flash i'm pretty sure. That alone is like having a double hate tool. Add some of the other job abilities (souleater, last resort) and spells that make decent hate as well (sleep, bind, and maybe poison?) and pld/drk makes crazy hate at the cost of losing survivability compared to other subs.

[Hitoseijuro]

retarded mega-hate eh? now i HAVE to see this

The only thing /war has going for it is provoke. If youre kiting warcry is moot as the VE it generates is small and minimal. Now lets look at provoke, the VE it generates is 1800 with a cool down timer of 30 seconds. There is no way around that cool down.

Now /drk, has a few abilities you can use that are actually useful. Souleater and last resort all offer 1300 VE each. These are on long timers though but can really pull hate when up and needed. Then theres stun. This will be your substitution for provoke. Having the ability to reduce its timer to 22 seconds making it available faster than a provoke is, on top of adding CE(CE is your friend) really good. You are only dropping 340 TE. Well guess what,poison(320VE) bind(640VE) bio(320VE) sleep(320CE/320VE) can all make that up. Sleep can make that up, and for the cost of a little more mp over the others add CE(remember thats good). Toss Sentinel up followed by some of these actions, and you can see why this is a very good sub to use for kiting or quick hate grabbing in dyna. Remember to cancel off souleater as its just used for the initual hate it grabs when activating. Basically spamming full hate asap for dyna NMs so that the melee can go all out on it and it dies very very fast, your shield skill, shield bash, Sentinel(if up), reprisal, etc etc are what keep you up during this barrage.

I didnt meantion flash because obviously its defaulted for a pld to use so both subs get access to it.

People still use /war because they are too scared to branch out and use other subs. Too comfortable with provoke imo. They provoke and see the mob turn , but dont understand how the game works. SE basically implemented ADD as the mobs AI.
PLD: /provoke
mob: oooh pretty circle colors
*provoke animation stops*
mob: where was I again, ah yes
*mob continues bashing blm*
mob :heathen!