[Montijin]

So, I was wondering now that my server has a BLM Mythic weapon that's been tested to show MAB+15 and after ws +15. Then a additional +10% poteny with E seal(correct me if this changes after more testing.).

What would be the ultimate nuke for DA given you have perfect conditions? Buff wise, isn't too hard. It's a more obvious solution. Hit by flood, elemental dot, etc. Party buffs (Dream Shroud(at night calculation) + 11 Wizard's + Memento Mori + Cream Puff + Full Int Potion)


But gear wise i'm not sure what would be better..




This set is really self explanatory; and would be slightly easier to pull off. Before buffs (besides equip items food, and Laev buff) I find +87 MAB, INT+38, Potency +80%.



+96 MAB, INT+29, Potency +90%



So my point in this topic is, am I missing anything for either set? Which would do more damage? Also, has anyone ever found if there was a cap for Spell Potency? How much damage could you do? It's looks pretty obvious the non-salvage set is superior... But given their might be a limit on potency would that change?



oh and inb4 you would die after, impossible conditions, etc. This thread is just for fun. lol

[Rikkitikkitavi]

Well you'd have to add a Static Earring, if you were going for highest "MB".
Also the Bugard Leather Strap +1, you would have to cast 100 times before you saw that Wise Strap proc.
And I still think even the HQ staves would be more reliable than that thing.
Probably use a Ree Habalos for non-RoZ areas.

And no there is no "Max" Damage that can be done. I believe there is a Screen shot of Nugzkraka Breaking 10,000 on one of the Lamias.

Morrigan's in my opinion will always be superior, because of the Macc. I tend to nuke in conditions that my nukes will always hit. I am a firm believer of no resists.

It's fun to see what the Max gear is

[Notacka]

I would defiantly trade 5 Magic acc for 5 mag attack if I had enhanced elemental seal and a small chance to do a ws every once in awhile to get even more MACC and MAB. Less inventory space, less macros, and more DMG. How can you say the HQ ele staves are better? NQ give +10 mag acc and mab to one elemental while HQ gives +15. The blm mythic weapon gives enhanced elemental seal, +20 MAB and +10 mag acc. also when you use the ws you get even more MAB and MACC. Also to do WSs more often they gave you +30 acc and double attack. Now you can hit and nuke without even having to switch out gear. Of course their are NMs you can't get close to for fear of deadly AOE, but the overall stats are still on par with HQ staves. Also I'm not sure how the weapon changes Elemental Seal, but all I know it has to be good. Also the WS lowers Magic defense.

[pathwriter]

Well, point number one, Elemental Staves don't give Magic Attack Bonus.

[Ellatrix]

How can you say the HQ ele staves are better? NQ give +10 mag acc and mab to one elemental while HQ gives +15.

Wrong.

[Amentis]

I would defiantly trade 5 Magic acc for 5 mag attack if I had enhanced elemental seal and a small chance to do a ws every once in awhile to get even more MACC and MAB. Less inventory space, less macros, and more DMG. How can you say the HQ ele staves are better? NQ give +10 mag acc and mab to one elemental while HQ gives +15. The blm mythic weapon gives enhanced elemental seal, +20 MAB and +10 mag acc. also when you use the ws you get even more MAB and MACC. Also to do WSs more often they gave you +30 acc and double attack. Now you can hit and nuke without even having to switch out gear. Of course their are NMs you can't get close to for fear of deadly AOE, but the overall stats are still on par with HQ staves. Also I'm not sure how the weapon changes Elemental Seal, but all I know it has to be good. Also the WS lowers Magic defense.

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

*Head explodes*

Also Path: GTFO these are not your forums.

[rambus]

joy, our mythic is only useful every 10 mins.

WS or not

ele staffs > this crap

unless your using ele seal

lol..... SE proved me right, they have no fucking clue with mage jobs.

btw.. both of your "mixed sets" ( not counting staff) fails to hit max damage.

im wondering, why ask this? you dont have the staff or a clue on the formula.

plus you need to consider if you have weather + day bonus, if you have single weather + day bonus and can get sch buff gtfo sorcs pants

brb as a kill my self for even seeing someone thinks that morega gives the best damage for blm

I would defiantly trade 5 Magic acc for 5 mag attack if I had enhanced elemental seal and a small chance to do a ws every once in awhile to get even more MACC and MAB. Less inventory space, less macros, and more DMG. How can you say the HQ ele staves are better? NQ give +10 mag acc and mab to one elemental while HQ gives +15. The blm mythic weapon gives enhanced elemental seal, +20 MAB and +10 mag acc. also when you use the ws you get even more MAB and MACC. Also to do WSs more often they gave you +30 acc and double attack. Now you can hit and nuke without even having to switch out gear. Of course their are NMs you can't get close to for fear of deadly AOE, but the overall stats are still on par with HQ staves. Also I'm not sure how the weapon changes Elemental Seal, but all I know it has to be good. Also the WS lowers Magic defense.

go away, try using the search function. I already explained why this is a shit staff along with dejore w/e

can you ask this guy to use NQ staff + 15 mab vs this staff with ele seal? because therei s a BIG difference of it saying +10% and +10 MAB

if it is 10 MAB there is a chance (ill go though it once i find out what the bonuses are on wiz roll, lantern and memo mori, I know dream shard at night is +10%)
that HQ staffs would outperform this staff using ELE seal + ws

[Montijin]

Uhh... never did I mention anywhere in my original post that you should use the Mythic full time.. Also, obviously Morrigan's is going to be better for nuking accuracy... The topic was what would be the ultimate DA nuke gear... I didn't create this topic so people could argue which set would be better to nuke in...

"omg all these stipulations together could never happen, etc". is dumb and spam.

[rambus]

Uhh... never did I mention anywhere in my original post that you should use the Mythic full time.. Also, obviously Morrigan's is going to be better for nuking accuracy... The topic was what would be the ultimate DA nuke gear... I didn't create this topic so people could argue which set would be better to nuke in...

"omg all these stipulations together could never happen, etc". is dumb and spam.

one what does DA mean and 2 its not about acc.

mornga does not even give the best damage to blm, morrgaion does, if you knew anything aobut the formula you would know why.

if you want to know how to get the best damage possable i can tell you once there is some proof on the ES bonus is, because even after ws + that there is a chance HQ staffs might give more damage in a case like this where you are buffed to hell. there is other factors as well like wiz roll, if it is a potency it might help the mythic more, if it is a MAB it helps the staffs more. same goes with spirit lantern and blu buff i do not know the numbers or seen proof of caluation on them. It is impernet to know the exacts to see if ele seal + ws on this staff does more then HQ staffs. when you get into situations like this it is not black and white anymore. there be different setups that can give almsot same damage and so forth

[Elswood]

Dragon's Aery, because it's the single most frequent double thunder weather zone... besides Behemoth's Dominion.

By the way, you forgot Yigit Crackows in the non-morrigan set. Realistically, Morrigan's robe does indeed beat Morgana by a fair bit; 3 mab vs 8 ? int.. no contest

As for Spirit Lantern, I'm almost positive it's +10 MAB. Either that, or x1.10 mod. I haven't had one in a few years >.>

[rambus]

Dragon's Aery, because it's the single most frequent double thunder weather zone... besides Behemoth's Dominion.

By the way, you forgot Yigit Crackows in the non-morrigan set. Realistically, Morrigan's robe does indeed beat Morgana by a fair bit; 3 mab vs 8 ? int.. no contest

As for Spirit Lantern, I'm almost positive it's +10 MAB. Either that, or x1.10 mod. I haven't had one in a few years >.>

i know all this and this was the point of my posting the way i did, i know it is 10 something but i need to know witch for sure to show if HQ staffs would be better in a situation like this.

and again if your doing day and weather you would not be wearing sorcs pants.

oh and because of sch you dont need double weather anymore, just single

IF you are doing thunder in double thunder weahter you can still get ice form sch for 7 more int.

[[Cookies]]

So much retardation in this thread, time to attack it. ._.

Wrong.

You're correct. It's been tested (with over 10,000 casts I believe) that NQ staves give 20 M.ACC when over 50% accuracy and HQ staves give 30 M.ACC when over 50% accuracy.

joy, our mythic is only useful every 10 mins.

Or unless you're meleeing. Don't say you don't do it, you do it all of the time in Campaign. Anyways welcome to my world, the RDM mythic is only useful every 10 minutes (unless you have Convert merited, BLM can do the same) as Joyeuse beats it hands down when meleeing.

unless your using ele seal

Just to clarify, Laevateinn has a 10% DAMAGE boost when using Elemental Seal. The 20 M.ACC loss is a moot point as you're using Elemental Seal and the 20 MAB is enough to outdamage the 5% damage boost from HQ staves.

lol..... SE proved me right, they have no fucking clue with mage jobs.

You really think the melee mythics are much better? From what we've seen, Relics will most likely outdamage all of them and they are easier to obtain. I'm pretty happy with the mage ones.

Murgleis is really useful, could be better sure and it's not worth the cost but if you are a career RDM and you have lots of gil, sure, get one.

Yagrush, amazing, before anyone mentions SCH, they have recast timers, Yagrush doesn't.

Nirvana, 1 extra -perp than HQ staves and also MAB+20 for Nether Blast and the merited BPs. This is far from rubbish, sure it might not be worth the effort, but again, if you're a career SMN with capped gear and a lot of gil, get one.

Laevateinn, useful every 10 mins, meh, least it's better than Claustrum. Again, if you're capped on BLM gear and you have a lot of gil, get one.

Tupsimati is the only useless one.

im wondering, why ask this? you dont have the staff or a clue on the formula.

That's a bit mean, he was only asking a simple question. Me saying "Why are you asking whether Tredecim Scythe or Perdu Sickle is better? You don't have both of them or a clue on the formula." would be the same situation, but I didn't, I answered your question politely.

If he knew the exact formula he wouldn't be asking! He could work it out for himself. Get off your high horse, if he knew he wouldn't be asking. Not everyone has played BLM for 5 years.

plus you need to consider if you have weather + day bonus, if you have single weather + day bonus and can get sch buff gtfo sorcs pants

A simple, Sorcerer's Pants are not worth using over an INT piece when you have double weather + day bonus because your already capped from the obi, would have sufficed, like I said, get off your high horse and stop being horrible to people who ask questions. You might have played the game for 5 years whereas they might have only played for 6 months. I certainly didn't know that Sorcerer's Pants were not worth using after only playing 6 months (with double weather + day).

brb as a kill my self for even seeing someone thinks that morega gives the best damage for blm

What does that even mean? Morgana's? If so, I agree, Morgana's is a piece of shit, especially if you're nuking Fafnir/Nidhogg.

Anyways~

Here is the absolute best nuking set for BLM assuming you're using Elemental Seal with day+double weather.



If i'm not mistaken, full Morrigan's is better than the mixed set because of the extra 10 M.ACC and the 4 extra INT (versus 3 MAB). At such high amounts of MAB, with MABs diminishing returns, the extra INT should be better. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

Edit: if you only have day with no weather or day with single weather then you would swap in Republic Circlet, Zenith Mitts +1, Sorcerer's Tonban +1 and Yigit Crackows for the best damage. Obviously swap in HQ staves for when you're not using Elemental Seal.

[rambus]

cookies no...

most of that is wrong..

[Amentis]

Yagrush is the best of all the mythics.

DISCUSS.

[[Cookies]]

cookies no...

most of that is wrong..

Most of what is wrong? Feel free to correct me if you can. You can't just say something is wrong with no proof or evidence to back up what you're saying is wrong.

[rambus]

Yagrush is the best of all the mythics.

DISCUSS.

yes it is, and cookies i dont have the time atm nor do i know what "best is" HQ staff VS this thing without knowing how all those bonuses are calulated, if more are MAB they will lean to HQ staffs giving more damage i said this already. and the ES is it potency or MAB? where is the numbers ot back it up

[[Cookies]]

yes it is, and cookies i dont have the time atm nor do i know what "best is" HQ staff VS this thing without knowing how all those bonuses are calulated, if more are MAB they will lean to HQ staffs giving more damage i said this already. and the ES is it potency or MAB? where is the numbers ot back it up

Wow did you even read my post before declaring it wrong? By the way, the question is what the best nuking gear is, not which staff is best.

Just to clarify, Laevateinn has a 10% DAMAGE boost when using Elemental Seal. The 20 M.ACC loss is a moot point as you're using Elemental Seal and the 20 MAB is enough to outdamage the 5% damage boost from HQ staves.

Laevateinn
[Main] All Races
DPS: 9.25 DMG:62 Delay:402 Enhances "Elemental Seal" effect Accuracy+30 Magic Accuracy+10 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+20 "Vidohunir" Aftermath: Inc. Mag. Acc./Mag. Atk. Occasionally attacks twice
LV 75 BLM

Laevateinn has MAB+20 already on it, this isn't affected by Elemental Seal. The Enhances "Elemental Seal" adds 10% damage.

A nuke using Laevateinn without Elemental Seal does 1000 damage.
A nuke using Laevateinn with Elemental Seal will do 1100 damage.

Give me 20 minutes to work out the math for full Morrigan's and the mixed set and then compare them to HQ staves.

[[Cookies]]

Now's the maths part.

The target has 100 INT and no damage modifiers. The nuke we are using is Thunder IV and we have 5 potency merits. Our base INT is 84. It's thunder day and we have double thunder weather. This is the gear we are using.



The mixed set swaps in Zenith Mitts +1, Republic Circlet and Yigit Crackows.

Full Morrigan's with Laevateinn and Elemental Seal.

INT+36
MAB+75
DMG+10%

Thunder IV=1871.

Mixed Set with Laevateinn and Elemental Seal.

INT+32
MAB+78
DMG+10%

Thunder IV=1871.

Full Morrigan's with HQ stave.

INT+36
MAB+55
DMG+15%

Thunder IV=1776.

Mixed Set with HQ stave.

INT+32
MAB+58
DMG+15%

Thunder IV=1777.

As you can see, with Laevateinn and Elemental Seal, full Morrigan's will do the same damage as the mixed set but it will have extra M.ACC.

When using HQ staves the mixed set will do slightly more damage but keep in mind you will lose 10 M.ACC for just 1 damage.

That good enough for you?

[rambus]

the information could effect what gear you use too.

hint it is not gonna be full morri set regardless.

[[Cookies]]

the information could effect what gear you use too.

hint it is not gonna be full morri set regardless.

What does that even mean? >.> Ebony Puddings have around 89 INT, we're talking about Fafnir/Nidhogg (mobs that a tarutaru won't need elemental skill gear for, especially when using Elemental Seal).

Meh, if that's all you can say when I clearly proved your "no cookies most of that is wrong" incorrect then i'll accept that I am right and you just got your ass whooped. I'm done.