[rambus]

You edited your earlier post.



As you can see, 20 MAB. You gain around 15 MAB when using the WS between 200-299 TP. This amount varies depending on how much TP you have. The enhances "Elemental Seal" is a 10% damage boost, it's NOT 10 MAB.

Anyways, regardless of what buffs you have, the two sets I posted are the best (with the different pieces I listed swapped in depending on the situation) no matter what buffs you have. The buffs only affect which set you use and what you would swap in.

eww do you cant even tp wing it for that bonus -.-

like i said ealier and in other threads /posts it is a ele seal macro at best. you use ele staffs 90% of the time still

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Yeah it's the same with Murgleis unfortunately. If it had Refresh on it along with the Convert bonus it'd rock.

[rambus]

btw 35 MAB vs HQ staffs are close you need about 33 MAB to out do them.... so even when you get 200 tp be hard to outdo soemthing you do not need to melee for, just an ES staff.

and on end game stuff most save ES for sleep so...

[rambus]

if anyone wants to help me end this piss fight ( w/e) this is the lsit i gathered so far for buffs. I will make a different thread on different selections of gear that where agured in the past and show how they stack up buffed vs un buffed with and without the staff in question with and without ws and with and without elemetaal seal. it make take a bit to make it but for buffs i gather:

Range +10%
Dream shoud +10%
Wiz roll +16 MAB
Mento = 20 mab
Etudes +56 int
Fenir = +7 int
day/weather= +35%
day/ single weather= +25% ( sorcs / mix set agruement)
INT potion=+7 int??
SCH weather = + 7 int

[rambus]

gear sets i want to exmaine:

Head, Maat = +7 INT
Body, morri = 5 MAB, 8 INT
Back, ixion = 5 INT
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, zenth+1 = +6 MAB
Waist, charge, = 10 INT
Pants, morri = 10 int
Rings = 10 mab, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, yiget= 2 mab , 3 int

Head, cirlet = +5 MAB
Body, morri = 5 MAB, 8 INT
Back, ixion = 5 INT
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, Morri = +5 MAB
Waist, charge, = 10 INT
Pants, morri = 10 int
Rings = 10 mab, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, yiget= 2 mab , 3 int

Head, Maat = +7 INT
Body, morra = 8 MAB
Back, ixion = 5 INT
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, zenth+1 = +6 MAB
Waist, charge, = 10 INT
Pants, morri = 8 int
Rings = 10 mab, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, yiget= 2 mab , 3 int

Head, circlet = 5 MAB
Body, morra= 8 MAB,
Back, ixion = 5 INT
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, zenth+1 = +6 MAB
Waist, charge, = 10 INT
Pants, morri = 8 int
Rings = 10 m, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, yiget= 2 mab , 3 int



Morri set:

Head, morri = 4 INT
Body, morri = 5 MAB, 8 INT
Back, ixion = 5 INT
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, morri MAB
Waist, charge, = 10 INT
Pants, morri = 10 int
Rings = 10 mab, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, morit= 3 int

Morri set w/ MAB crap


Head, morri = 4 INT
Body, morri = 5 MAB, 8 INT
Back, (noidea some crap I never use) = 2 mab
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, morri MAB
Waist, (noidea some crap I never use) = 2 mab
Pants, morri = 10 int
Rings = 10 mab, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, morit= 3 int
Morri set w/ MAB crap

Same as above but with obi ( to show worthless MAB crap vs a real set)
Head, morri = 4 INT
Body, morri = 5 MAB, 8 INT
Back, (noidea some crap I never use) = 2 mab
Neak, = 8 mab
Hands, morri MAB
Waist, obi = guaranteed bonus of weather/day
Pants, morri = 10 int
Rings = 10 mab, 5 int
Earings, novio/movite = 12 mab
Feet, morit= 3 int

MAB:

(mix MAB + stuff vs w/e set comes out the best with buffs like will compare doing full mori vs sorcs hands and such. )

comments on a gear set you like to see?

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INT potions are a random amount of INT (anywhere from 10%-50% of your total INT).

I'm not sure where you got your data for SV etudes but 56 is a little high if I recall.

Dream Shroud is 10% MAB not 10% damage I believe. So if you have 50 MAB, dream shroud would add a further 5 MAB.


I didn't read all of the sets that you've posted as the format is hard to follow but you should do your own tests for the sets I had listed too, keep in mind that this is in Dragon's Aery only. I'm not sure of the exact INT of Fafnir/Nidhogg but it will be over 100 INT. If anyone can tell us how much INT they both have exactly that'd be great.

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Whoever beats my record is the winner of this retarded debate.



GO!

[rambus]

INT potions are a random amount of INT (anywhere from 10%-50% of your total INT).

I'm not sure where you got your data for SV etudes but 56 is a little high if I recall.

Dream Shroud is 10% MAB not 10% damage I believe. So if you have 50 MAB, dream shroud would add a further 5 MAB.


I didn't read all of the sets that you've posted as the format is hard to follow but you should do your own tests for the sets I had listed too, keep in mind that this is in Dragon's Aery only. I'm not sure of the exact INT of Fafnir/Nidhogg but it will be over 100 INT. If anyone can tell us how much INT they both have exactly that'd be great.

then why did it make my damage 10% higher when i tested it? -.-

this is why i do not take what wiki says as gold, they had some old dumb discripions on sorcs mitts and earing too.

how is it hard to follow? there is liek a few spaces and a new set starts with "head, blahblah"

@ whimmy, never got to do thunder day and double thunder weather -.-

[Byrthnoth]

1) Dream Shroud potency as far as MAB+ and MDB+ shifts based on time of day, if I remember right? FFwiki suggests it's 10% "MAB bonus" aka damage +10% near midnight.
2) The BLM Nyzul WS supposedly gives the target MDB-10.
3) The Mythic weapon has MAB+20 on it and, at least according to this thread because I don't feel like going to BG, gives Damage +10% during ES.
4) If you guys are doing your "mixed set" on MB, it would be worth throwing in Static and Sorc Gloves.
5) Ultimate max damage gear never involves Rairin Obi. Using Sorc Belt and getting lucky will result in a higher max damage.
6) Laevatienn is sadness. It might be the best in this case, but it's sadness. If they'd combined all the positive stat attributes on HQ staves and given it 1-2MP/tick refresh, that would have been enough.

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4) If you guys are doing your "mixed set" on MB, it would be worth throwing in Static and Sorc Gloves.

Already mentioned that.

And Rambus I've personally never tested it as I don't even have SMN unlocked, I assumed the wiki was correct as INT potions work in a similar way. If it is indeed 10% damage and not MAB then i'll take your word for it. Oh and it's hard to follow because I prefer working with images or sets on FFXIAH. Just personal preference, it's easier to look at the piece rather than read what each piece is.

[rambus]

1) Dream Shroud potency as far as MAB+ and MDB+ shifts based on time of day, if I remember right? FFwiki suggests it's 10% "MAB bonus" aka damage +10% near midnight.
2) The BLM Nyzul WS supposedly gives the target MDB-10.
3) The Mythic weapon has MAB+20 on it and, at least according to this thread because I don't feel like going to BG, gives Damage +10% during ES.
4) If you guys are doing your "mixed set" on MB, it would be worth throwing in Static and Sorc Gloves.
5) Ultimate max damage gear never involves Rairin Obi. Using Sorc Belt and getting lucky will result in a higher max damage.
6) Laevatienn is sadness. It might be the best in this case, but it's sadness. If they'd combined all the positive stat attributes on HQ staves and given it 1-2MP/tick refresh, that would have been enough.

find someone with numbers to contradict me then, i already made a thread on SMN board a while ago on this and not meny respond so i thought it was common knowagle it was wrong.

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find someone with numbers to contradict me then, i already made a thread on SMN board a while ago on this and not meny respond so i thought it was common knowagle it was wrong.

Umm.. he was agreeing with you lol. >.>;

FFwiki suggests it's 10% "MAB bonus" aka damage +10% near midnight.

[drwaffles]

1) Dream Shroud potency as far as MAB+ and MDB+ shifts based on time of day, if I remember right? FFwiki suggests it's 10% "MAB bonus" aka damage +10% near midnight.
2) The BLM Nyzul WS supposedly gives the target MDB-10.
3) The Mythic weapon has MAB+20 on it and, at least according to this thread because I don't feel like going to BG, gives Damage +10% during ES.
4) If you guys are doing your "mixed set" on MB, it would be worth throwing in Static and Sorc Gloves.
5) Ultimate max damage gear never involves Rairin Obi. Using Sorc Belt and getting lucky will result in a higher max damage.
6) Laevatienn is sadness. It might be the best in this case, but it's sadness. If they'd combined all the positive stat attributes on HQ staves and given it 1-2MP/tick refresh, that would have been enough.

You'd need to add one of either Wise Strap or Witch Sash and get lucky as all fuck in order to get the highest damage theoretically possible, and what you said about Rairin Obi also applies to Sorcerer's Tonban (+1).

[Byrthnoth]

Max damage builds never involve Sorc. Tonban(+1) because the max modifier you can get is .35, right? Also yeah, you'd want either Wise strap or Witch's Sash. Which you choose to sub in doesn't matter at the moment compared to the next best alternative.

[rambus]

Max damage builds never involve Sorc. Tonban(+1) because the max modifier you can get is .35, right? Also yeah, you'd want either Wise strap or Witch's Sash. Which you choose to sub in doesn't matter at the moment compared to the next best alternative.

that is what i was also planing running though .

also for waist there is an INT 10 chage so you are trying to get lucky with the day/ weather bonus and use that waist ( INT 10 one) with using the crit hit on grip.

whimmy of all people should know about that cap ( he tested it before) yeah the best of the best is not gonna be with sorcs pants.

ok what about this food for thought, if you do a SC>SC thing and do this 5 times to hit the spposely cap of 1.50 does the MB bonus gear get worthless at this point cuz it is caped? anyone test such caps?

Umm.. he was agreeing with you lol. >.>;

i saw that, there is a reason I did not quote you.

wait he? uh...... let him comment on that i do not see it that way

Edit read you wrong.

[drwaffles]

Max damage builds never involve Sorc. Tonban(+1) because the max modifier you can get is .35, right? Also yeah, you'd want either Wise strap or Witch's Sash. Which you choose to sub in doesn't matter at the moment compared to the next best alternative.

Yes, I was referring to the "max damage setup doesn't involve..." part, not the reasoning. Should've been clearer.